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  1. Joe920's Avatar
    Forum rules do not allow me to put to text what I feel to be the reaction of most Windows Phone users that have impatiently waited for this upgrade when Microsoft releases it into the wild.
    Giving new meaning to the words "Software release".
    03-01-2016 11:16 AM
  2. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    Oddly, Gabe Aul hasn't replied to any tweets today. I wonder whats up.... normally he's posted a response to someone by now. Maybe something good or maybe he's not in today.
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    03-01-2016 01:32 PM
  3. neodk's Avatar
    Gabe is either not in today or, based on the time difference between the coasts, has headed out to lunch and won't be back for a while to share the infamous "no new builds today" post.
    03-01-2016 01:35 PM
  4. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    Is someone good with memes? We need one just to post whenever someone asks.... Maybe not...
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    03-01-2016 02:24 PM
  5. neodk's Avatar
    What do we say to new builds?

    Not today!
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    03-01-2016 02:25 PM
  6. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    What do we say to new builds?

    Not today!
    He just responded to my tweet. He said that, and I quote:

    @slook28 Thanks, just a busy morning :) No builds today but we do have some good looking builds in internal rings.
    03-01-2016 02:38 PM
  7. neodk's Avatar
    But that once again means Insider and not a stable release in line with what is out on the 550, 950, etc. Then again, what is stable?
    03-01-2016 02:48 PM
  8. mmTL's Avatar
    Sadly, they already are, and long, long time, devoted fans at that.

    I was a day-one adopter of the iPhone. It was a game-changer, no arguing with that. However, I was also a day-one adopter of Windows Phone. By that time I was already fed up with Apple and some of their decisions/handling of the iPhone.

    I've been a software developer for over 20 years, and for a large portion of my career have been specializing in the Microsoft suite of tools/technologies. I know many developers, just like me, who have tried to stick by with Windows Phone and the promise of the amazing stuff coming up, just around the corner, just wait a bit more, etc. etc. Well, over the past year, these people have been falling off. Some going to Android, most to iPhone. I'm holding out for the next iPhone release to make the switch off my beloved 1520. Confirmation bias, I know, but when the die-hards are jumping ship, the game is up.
    Die-hard fan here, from Lumia 800 to Lumia 930. Hardware issues meant I had to replace the 930, I thought I'd get it repaired hoping W10m was imminent but I went for an S6 Edge. Sorry to report but Android is solid, the apps are superb and its interface is now as good if not better than W10m. Doubt I'd switch back now, I've got Office, Here Drive/Maps, Onedrive, Onenote, Skype and they all work and look better than on Windows Phone.
    03-01-2016 03:02 PM
  9. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    Used to be a die-hard fan here, from Lumia 800 to Lumia 930. Hardware issues meant I had to replace the 930, I thought I'd get it repaired hoping W10m was imminent but I went for an S6 Edge. Sorry to report but Android is solid, the apps are superb and its interface is now as good if not better than W10m. Doubt I'd switch back now, I've got Office, Here Drive/Maps, Onedrive, Onenote, Skype and they all work and look better than on Windows Phone.
    There I fixed your grammar. I switched from Android to Windows mobile; at least I can have a decent battery, good performance, and dynamic home screen. Most of the Androids I had wouldn't last 16 hours of minimal-moderate phone usage, freeze up, low storage, bloatware (except on unlocked phones), static home screens, etc.
    03-01-2016 03:35 PM
  10. Alexis Mos's Avatar
    Die-hard fan here, from Lumia 800 to Lumia 930. Hardware issues meant I had to replace the 930, I thought I'd get it repaired hoping W10m was imminent but I went for an S6 Edge. Sorry to report but Android is solid, the apps are superb and its interface is now as good if not better than W10m. Doubt I'd switch back now, I've got Office, Here Drive/Maps, Onedrive, Onenote, Skype and they all work and look better than on Windows Phone.
    Android is solid? With or without acore and UI errors?? And what apps are you talking about?? i have a ****load of great apps on my WP and i use only 5% of them...and why did you write here...these awaiting days, if you are so happy with ur Android...
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    03-01-2016 07:07 PM
  11. abhishek singh21's Avatar
    He just responded to my tweet. He said that, and I quote:
    crap >< how many builds will it take to get a stable os. this os is doomed to stay in beta. to hell msft
    mariusmuntean likes this.
    03-01-2016 11:44 PM
  12. mikepalma's Avatar
    crap >< how many builds will it take to get a stable os. this os is doomed to stay in beta. to hell msft
    Beta for over a year, no tap to pay or new significant features.

    When is an old beta just a crappy software...
    mariusmuntean likes this.
    03-01-2016 11:47 PM
  13. abhishek singh21's Avatar
    msft is trying to refine win 10 mob like 8.1 . and apparently msft has no timeline on this. they are feeding off insiders with a build evry 2 weeks. and every new build is labeled as much stable and fluid* .to infinity and beyond till the official rollout. god bless msft.
    03-02-2016 01:53 AM
  14. hb1x's Avatar
    03-02-2016 02:16 AM
  15. abhishek singh21's Avatar
    yeah so?? that update is old. and dont try to fool us by saying its the official as you already have win10 on that device. enjoy the preview
    03-02-2016 02:26 AM
  16. permo's Avatar
    The big issue with MS and their mobile policy is the lack of info on their future timescedule with the Mobile OS. As a long time user both on PC and phone (950XL); I am a bit tired of the constant update to a new beta. I am often asking myself why I bother; it seems that MS don't care about us users and obviously take us as granted. Perhaps Android- and IOS-users have the same feeling about their manufacturers; I don't know. One thing is for sure; if something "great" don't happens soon there will be a united escape from the MS mobile system.
    03-02-2016 02:26 AM
  17. hb1x's Avatar
    yeah so?? that update is old. and dont try to fool us by saying its the official as you already have win10 on that device. enjoy the preview
    Not trying to fool anyone. I was on Window insider and so I know how insider builds are notified. Every insider build I've received up until the time I left it (moved to production-threshold build) had insider written on it. This update had no insider build written anywhere on it. Its just Windows 10 mobile.
    This is what I saw in the morning. And so shared it for everyone to see.
    03-02-2016 02:37 AM
  18. Teebee9206's Avatar
    When will come for 640?
    03-02-2016 02:45 AM
  19. jgch's Avatar
    Given the hype around Win10 produced by MSFT, the situation ridiculous. Constantly shifted release dates (or rumors), no announcement of a firm release date.
    The current WM 8.1 can't compete with current Android releases (functionalities, features etc.). It feels like Android 4 something.
    I can't comment on WM10, but eager to find out. However, MSFT supposed to act faster.

    To me this goes back to management. The root cause of this situation lies in poor planning and bad resource management. MSFT FAILED to
    • Estimate efforts in the beginning of the project
    • allocate the necessary resources in the beginning and throughout the project
    • crappy status management - this massive delay must have been foreseeable in summer last year


    In short, I find it very surprising that Gabe still has a job. On the upside, business schools will get a good case study for failed projects.
    Last edited by jgch; 03-02-2016 at 06:26 AM.
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    03-02-2016 02:50 AM
  20. Pete's Avatar
    Android releases? For pretty much each Android device I've had, I've had to wait years for the next major version to be released. Sometimes the only way to get a new version of Android is to buy a new device.

    I'm not sure how you can criticise Gabe - no one else in the history of Microsoft has pressed that red button more often than him.
    03-02-2016 03:37 AM
  21. jgch's Avatar
    Sometimes the only way to get a new version of Android is to buy a new device.
    Correct! But right now, MSFT has not proofed the situation is a different one for Windows Mobiles.
    03-02-2016 06:19 AM
  22. Pete's Avatar
    And the fact that Windows 10 mobile is available on the Insider program for pretty much all Lumia (and some other) devices isn't proof at all then?

    When things moved from Windows Phone 7 to Windows Phone 8, everyone had to buy a new handset. That's not the case any more.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here.
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    03-02-2016 07:10 AM
  23. georg_t_turbo's Avatar
    Couldn't deny myself the joke:
    Windows 10 mobile release will come in April - as new April hoax/joke :-)
    Ok personal I call a Lumia 950XL as my own, so I have nothing to complain.
    I understand that Microsoft needs from time to time something to say to the press, so a "maybe announcement" comes quickly over the lips.
    But it isn't ok to play with the believes of people, this gives hope, which is very fast destroyed, that kind of game shouldn't be played - no matter how serious the company is neither the company label.
    03-02-2016 07:15 AM
  24. jgch's Avatar
    And the fact that Windows 10 mobile is available on the Insider program for pretty much all Lumia (and some other) devices isn't proof at all then?
    The released product is the proof. It's my business phone, so I don't want to play with beta versions.
    So the fact that one (sometimes rumored) release date after the other slipped and the fact that NO release date has been announced by MSFT, does not make me feel confident. I still can imagine that the drop one or the other phone from the list (as they did in the past already).

    Again, MSFT hyped Win10 almost a year ago. And appart from betas, we have no proof, that WM10 will be eventually released.
    03-02-2016 08:33 AM
  25. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    ... Perhaps Android- and IOS-users have the same feeling about their manufacturers; I don't know. One thing is for sure; if something "great" don't happens soon there will be a united escape from the MS mobile system.
    That's the problem with Android is the fragmentation for manufacturers to release devices with no intent of updating them. Consider the Blu Selfie (just as an example, I do enjoy Blu though); it came out with amazing cameras, good storage, good RAM, great processor, etc. When it was first released I considered purchasing it. Alright, Android 4.4.2, 5.0 was due to be released (or was already I think), guess what? $300+ phone, never got upgraded past 4.4.2. This was a brand new phone and 5.0 was either released or released shortly after the Selfie was released. So what happens? They come out with other phones, still on 4.4.2 but no updates. Even some of the Lollipop ones probably won't get marshmallow, like the Vivo 5.

    Whats the point? Security is an issue, since most patches are included with updates and certain updates have to be pushed by the manufacturer, the security isn't as good as it should be. The only way to get a guaranteed updated device is to go with Google's flagship products. LG was pretty good about upgrades until they started a huge line. Samsung is following a similar pattern, great phones, only their best get updates, the rest, they're starting to ignore. Huawei, HTC, etc. They're all starting to follow the trend for Android.

    What about iOS? 2 devices after 1 is released (2 years generally) is all you'll get for iOS OS upgrades. I think its starting to follow more of a 1.5-2 year area.

    What about Microsoft (Nokia) now? Most of their devices are planned upgrades, as long as they are running Denim. That's a huge range of devices. I had a 920 with Verizon (returned it 4-5 years ago), it goes all the way up to Cyan. I'm sure people are running the insider previews of Windows 10 on it. Granted it won't get it where it's only Cyan. Anyways, I'd rather have a device that can last me a while instead of questioning what the manufacturer is going to do. That's my personal opinion though.
    jgch and owensdj like this.
    03-02-2016 09:10 AM
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