11-21-2015 09:42 AM
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  1. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Here's a quick rant-ish of sorts:

    I have been a Windows fan for a long time. Had a Windows 7 Phone, still use original Surface RT, have a Band, etc, etc.

    I have been using a replacement Win HD phone since my 930 cracked and stopped working. I have been a big proponent or defender of the OS. And to this day, I have never had a big issue with the App gap. In fact, I saw Windows 10 as the difference maker - Universal Apps means more Apps!

    But now there have been several apps released that I use or need to use for work - Periscope, Instagram (with video), Snapchat plus many many more. I mean I feel the gap is getting worse, not better. While many platforms have supported Windows 10, how long will it take?

    Will Windows 10 Mobile launch with all these apps already at least in a beta stage? For the first time since my Windows 7 Phone, I'm actually considering altneratives. I work in MKT, I need Snapchat, I need Periscope, I need a functioning Instagram. Plus other brand apps. "Hey, test my app." or wait, I can't, because almost no brand ever designs anything for Windows 10.

    I'm going to even extend the purpose of this particular post and say that even with Windows 10 out now for a while and in many million PCs, the Apps really are not flooding the Microsoft Store.. but this is about Windows 10 Mobile mainly, so I'll keep it at that.

    Thoughts?
    No guarantees the apps will be there. I think you'd be crazy to buy a 950 for business not knowing if it had the apps you MUST HAVE for said business.

    I love Windows mobile and prefer it so much over the others that in your situation I would buy one phone for the job and a 950XL for everything else, assuming using a GSM carrier where I can just move the SIM
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    11-05-2015 03:15 PM
  2. photographerdan's Avatar
    Seems like an awful lot of hassle to go through imo. He won't lose anything going to an iphone or android for example, he'll still have access to all of the microsoft apps in addition to the apps that he needs for work.

    Revisit microsoft down the road as windows 10 matures or get an android tablet designate it your workhorse today or simply just switch. Visiting the windows store lately i've noticed that there are fewer apps than before - many apps have been pulled for compatibility or sake of microsoft wanting to push it's own services instead(maps etc. . ) it's looking really sparse and i've noticed a lot of knock-off apps that I wouldn't trust either who have replicated familiar icons. . some really shady stuff going on.
    11-06-2015 01:16 AM
  3. the1's Avatar
    It concerns me that you had to explain that.
    Honestly, I was lost but since I view most social media differently than most, I'm usually on the outside looking in regarding these matters.....carry on..lol
    11-06-2015 03:45 AM
  4. Steve Adams's Avatar
    What did you think about a year ago?
    May I guess; "6 - 12 months"? Or "as soon as W10 is released, the marked will be flooded by universal apps"?

    Why would W10M (that not even MS seems to believe will be used in volumes) change anything?
    Ok, I explained this in another post. w7m and 8m were a very small user base where a complete new app had to be designed for the ecosystem. Not a lot of return on investment so to speak. Now, with windows 10, and 10m, there is More users to potentionally buy your app/advertising revenues. Plus, with the new "projects", getting the apps on the system (because you only need to develop one that works on everything), is relatively painless. Therefore, More developers are going to port their apps into the windows 10 environment and get revnues from it easily. There are already over 120 million w10 users, more than the entire user base of osx. That's within 3 months of release. Give it another 6 months and there will be probably 500 million users as new devices, and the upgrades continue throughout the personal and business world.
    11-06-2015 03:59 AM
  5. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    Ok, I explained this in another post. w7m and 8m were a very small user base where a complete new app had to be designed for the ecosystem. Not a lot of return on investment so to speak. Now, with windows 10, and 10m, there is More users to potentionally buy your app/advertising revenues. Plus, with the new "projects", getting the apps on the system (because you only need to develop one that works on everything), is relatively painless. Therefore, More developers are going to port their apps into the windows 10 environment and get revnues from it easily. There are already over 120 million w10 users, more than the entire user base of osx. That's within 3 months of release. Give it another 6 months and there will be probably 500 million users as new devices, and the upgrades continue throughout the personal and business world.
    OK, we are both guessing.
    I hope you are right and I am wrong!
    However, I see a Microsoft that focuses on volume (ios/android) and I let them lead the way.
    I might come back in two years (if there is something to come back to and if the situation has improved).
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    11-06-2015 04:55 AM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    There are already over 120 million w10 users, more than the entire user base of osx. That's within 3 months of release. Give it another 6 months and there will be probably 500 million users as new devices, and the upgrades continue throughout the personal and business world.
    What makes you think the rate of Windows 10 adoption will actually increase? It has slowed exponentially since the first few days of release.
    11-06-2015 06:00 AM
  7. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    He won't lose anything going to an iphone or android for example, he'll still have access to all of the microsoft apps in addition to the apps that he needs for work.
    What people who say that don't understand is that iPhones or Androids are like driving a car that will get you anywhere but is boxy, floaty and has uncomfortable seats while the Windows Mobile OS is like a gorgeous sportscar with Barcalounger seats (never sat in one but its just an analogy) but can't go to a lot of places. If you HAVE to go to those places or ALL you care about is getting to those places, then yes you won't lose anything by driving the boat of a car or carrying an iPhone/Android. And the majority of people are probably in that category. But there are also people who prefer the finer things, even if they have drawbacks such as fewer apps (phone) or expensive maintenance (sportscar). iPhones or Androids are terrific appliances, but are about as exiting and pleasurable to use as other appliances.
    11-06-2015 06:08 AM
  8. captaincalamity's Avatar
    What people who say that don't understand is that iPhones or Androids are like driving a car that will get you anywhere but is boxy, floaty and has uncomfortable seats while the Windows Mobile OS is like a gorgeous sportscar with Barcalounger seats (never sat in one but its just an analogy) but can't go to a lot of places. If you HAVE to go to those places or ALL you care about is getting to those places, then yes you won't lose anything by driving the boat of a car or carrying an iPhone/Android. And the majority of people are probably in that category. But there are also people who prefer the finer things, even if they have drawbacks such as fewer apps (phone) or expensive maintenance (sportscar). iPhones or Androids are terrific appliances, but are about as exiting and pleasurable to use as other appliances.
    That may be true, regards the drive (ie. UI) but you wont have a music player, air con, sun roof or any friends to plan and visit, no way of knowing if the place you thought you were meant to be going to still exists, never quite sure the route is the fastest or if your car will be defunct by the time you arrive. :)
    11-06-2015 06:28 AM
  9. Paul1266's Avatar
    Crap analogy..not denying there is a gap but nearly all mainstream apps are covered. Sure, you will be able to list a few but so what? That simply doesn't change the fact that most major apps are covered. I use pretty much the same apps across all 3 platforms...go figure. So for me there is no gap. Fully realise mileage will vary cos we all have different needs. The situation isn't going to change anyday soon so wouldn't it be nice if people stopped banging on about it like its something new they've just noticed because some sparkly new app they've discovered is in the windows store.
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    11-06-2015 06:40 AM
  10. Krystianpants's Avatar
    What makes you think the rate of Windows 10 adoption will actually increase? It has slowed exponentially since the first few days of release.
    In Europe it iS surpassing windows 7. A lot of US people are either scared because of all the data gathering paranoia they are fed,. Then there's the heavy that not everyone is updating easily. I had to do a few manually for people. There's also a lot of malware out there that stop the update process. And of course those calling OEMs for help are being told to stay on windows. Then there's the missing media server portion that effects quite a lot of people. Others are waiting for this November release as they don't want the the first version which is usually more buggy . My guess is that more will update in November and when Redstone comes out.
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    11-06-2015 06:51 AM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    In Europe it iS surpassing windows 7. A lot of US people are either scared because of all the data gathering paranoia they are fed,. Then there's the heavy that not everyone is updating easily. I had to do a few manually for people. There's also a lot of malware out there that stop the update process. And of course those calling OEMs for help are being told to stay on windows. Then there's the missing media server portion that effects quite a lot of people. Others are waiting for this November release as they don't want the the first version which is usually more buggy . My guess is that more will update in November and when Redstone comes out.
    Yes you are correct. But I doubt whether that will cause the install rate to double for the next 6 months.

    14 million were installed in the first 24 hours of release. After a week, the number had reportedly doubled to about 27 million. A week and a half after that, it had nearly doubled again to 53 million. After another week and a half, about a month after the initial release, the number was up to 75 million. Two months after that, and three months after release, an additional 45 million were installed for a total of 120 million.

    See the rate dropping? I can see where it might pick up some based on what you said, but that much? That seems overly optimistic!
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    11-06-2015 07:14 AM
  12. Jon_Rubinstein's Avatar
    What makes you think the rate of Windows 10 adoption will actually increase? It has slowed exponentially since the first few days of release.
    For one, as of 2016, no more PCs will be shipped with Windows 8 or 7....
    11-06-2015 07:58 AM
  13. ohgood's Avatar
    Ok, I explained this in another post. w7m and 8m were a very small user base where a complete new app had to be designed for the ecosystem. Not a lot of return on investment so to speak. Now, with windows 10, and 10m, there is More users to potentionally buy your app/advertising revenues. Plus, with the new "projects", getting the apps on the system (because you only need to develop one that works on everything), is relatively painless. Therefore, More developers are going to port their apps into the windows 10 environment and get revnues from it easily. There are already over 120 million w10 users, more than the entire user base of osx. That's within 3 months of release. Give it another 6 months and there will be probably 500 million users as new devices, and the upgrades continue throughout the personal and business world.

    The desktop user base (market potential in numbers) is huge, agreed.

    The desire of that base to have the same applications on their sit-down desktop machine AND their phone is.... crickets.

    Yes, the browser (Chrome is the winner here) is desired, but what other applications are actually desired ?



    If there was a market for cross device applications, developers would be cashing in, instead of ignoring it. THere is NO MARKET for cross device applications.
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    11-06-2015 08:28 AM
  14. libra89's Avatar
    The desktop user base (market potential in numbers) is huge, agreed.

    The desire of that base to have the same applications on their sit-down desktop machine AND their phone is.... crickets.

    Yes, the browser (Chrome is the winner here) is desired, but what other applications are actually desired ?



    If there was a market for cross device applications, developers would be cashing in, instead of ignoring it. THere is NO MARKET for cross device applications.
    I think it will depend on the application. I don't know about you, but I would personally love to use my Kindle (really ebook/audiobook readers in general) on more than one device and then continue reading elsewhere.
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    11-06-2015 08:42 AM
  15. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    I think it will depend on the application. I don't know about you, but I would personally love to use my Kindle (really ebook/audiobook readers in general) on more than one device and then continue reading elsewhere.
    Is "universal apps" really needed for that?
    11-06-2015 08:50 AM
  16. ohgood's Avatar
    I think it will depend on the application. I don't know about you, but I would personally love to use my Kindle (really ebook/audiobook readers in general) on more than one device and then continue reading elsewhere.

    Understood, completely. It doesn't need a cross platform application developed for it to work. Just sync the data between whoever's app you like, and the access online. For that matter, a properly coded website should give a good experience in a browser.


    The short list of apps that would actually be used on both a desktop and phone/tablet are... welll... extremely short.
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    11-06-2015 09:28 AM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    Is "universal apps" really needed for that?
    You say that but audible has one...
    11-06-2015 09:54 AM
  18. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Understood, completely. It doesn't need a cross platform application developed for it to work. Just sync the data between whoever's app you like, and the access online. For that matter, a properly coded website should give a good experience in a browser.


    The short list of apps that would actually be used on both a desktop and phone/tablet are... welll... extremely short.
    I don't like using my browser for everything. Now I have a bunch of apps that run faster, talk directly to the app creator without anything on the web interfering, give me actionable items in my action center and cuts down on my 40+ tabs I leave open in the browser. A good example is Readit, I get messages and I just respond directly in the action center. I don't have to go to a web interface and deal with it anymore. I can go directly into the app and get context and browse reddit in a nice UI.

    Hyper for youtube app lets me save youtube videos, has a great UI and lets me customize it to my needs.

    Twitter app the same thing.

    Ever since I got the apps I have a way smaller memory footprint since browsers tend to grow as more tabs are open and it's way more convenient. It's just the start. Anyone who actually spends some time running some great apps will likely not go back to the web experience. I mean I could never go back to the netflix web experience since the app is so convenient and works like a charm.
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    11-06-2015 11:27 AM
  19. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    I feel.the pain of the OP. I'm in IT and I have to use an iPhone for work. Many of the apps will NEVER be on Win10m, let alone android. So im a dual phone-r. Waiting for the 950xl so I can have one phone for communication and use the iPhone only on wifi. So to the OP, maybe an iPhone for WiFi only?
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    11-06-2015 06:46 PM
  20. Cruachan 11's Avatar
    I think it will depend on the application. I don't know about you, but I would personally love to use my Kindle (really ebook/audiobook readers in general) on more than one device and then continue reading elsewhere.
    Doesn't the Kindle app already do that via WhisperSync cross-platform? Pretty sure last time I used it was for a Microsoft textbook for my Server 2012 upgrade exam and it remembered my last viewed page in the cloud reader in the browser, on my tablet (Nexus 7) and on my Lumia 925.

    I can see social media apps being the big drive for universal apps as the companies will want to integrate with Xbox live which is a huge market - look at the number of games (E.g. Angry Birds) which can link directly to social media on Android already. Makes no difference to me, the only social media I used is LinkedIn which already has a Windows Mobile app, but it's pretty obvious the demand is there.

    I genuinely can't think of an app I don't have on Windows Mobile that I desperately want. YouView would be nice but doesn't get used often, maybe the Greggs app but I can use the website and it's once a month or less for that anyway.
    11-06-2015 08:23 PM
  21. libra89's Avatar
    Doesn't the Kindle app already do that via WhisperSync cross-platform? Pretty sure last time I used it was for a Microsoft textbook for my Server 2012 upgrade exam and it remembered my last viewed page in the cloud reader in the browser, on my tablet (Nexus 7) and on my Lumia 925.

    I can see social media apps being the big drive for universal apps as the companies will want to integrate with Xbox live which is a huge market - look at the number of games (E.g. Angry Birds) which can link directly to social media on Android already. Makes no difference to me, the only social media I used is LinkedIn which already has a Windows Mobile app, but it's pretty obvious the demand is there.

    I genuinely can't think of an app I don't have on Windows Mobile that I desperately want. YouView would be nice but doesn't get used often, maybe the Greggs app but I can use the website and it's once a month or less for that anyway.
    You're right, it does. I just said Kindle because it's more of a well known ebook reader. I actually use another reader primarily but I'm not sure how many know of it.

    The Kindle app needs an update badly though, I shouldn't have to close the whole app to go back to the main menu but that's for another post, not this one.
    11-06-2015 09:33 PM
  22. Steve Adams's Avatar
    OK, we are both guessing.
    I hope you are right and I am wrong!
    However, I see a Microsoft that focuses on volume (ios/android) and I let them lead the way.
    I might come back in two years (if there is something to come back to and if the situation has improved).
    Microsoft does not develop every app for the windows-sphere. App developers do. Microsoft only develops Microsoft apps. Microsoft has put in place the tools necessary for the app developers to easily port their android/ios apps to windows 10 universal pretty well a copy / paste solution. Everyone is crapping on MS for going and making ios and android apps, but truth is they have all the apps built for windows10/mobile already. Why would they sit back and not expand their business.

    Everyone here thinks MS creates every app when they don't.
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    11-07-2015 04:07 AM
  23. Steve Adams's Avatar
    What makes you think the rate of Windows 10 adoption will actually increase? It has slowed exponentially since the first few days of release.
    Not really, I think 150 million people are running windows, its still growing every day. New machines, converters now that most of the details have been ironed out etc. Like I said, that's more than the entire user base of osx. That is 3 months of release. They are also not counting w10mobile yet. Not until release.
    11-07-2015 04:10 AM
  24. Steve Adams's Avatar
    The desktop user base (market potential in numbers) is huge, agreed.

    The desire of that base to have the same applications on their sit-down desktop machine AND their phone is.... crickets.

    Yes, the browser (Chrome is the winner here) is desired, but what other applications are actually desired ?



    If there was a market for cross device applications, developers would be cashing in, instead of ignoring it. THere is NO MARKET for cross device applications.
    Beg to differ. With the coming of age of 2 in 1 devices, LOTS of users want apps for their tablet style devices, even though they use full windows. Me included. Just easier to hit an app, use it and move on. Plus most apps are NOT available on the web as useable apps.

    The market is there, and it's super easy for app dev's to get apps onto windows.
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    11-07-2015 04:13 AM
  25. Ixia's Avatar
    I have been noticing the app gap of late. My child's school uses a msg app that isn't available, the PTA have a calendar thing that doesn't work on WP. Gumtree doesn't work properly on the browser and there is no app. No app for Schpock. No PopJam app for my daughter. I am grateful for no Snapchat though, as it's the main tool for cyber bullying at my kid's school.
    My daughter is saving hard for an iPhone and this is the generation that WP is losing. Not one of her friends has a WP.
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    11-07-2015 05:37 AM
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