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  1. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    The problem is that until it goes RTM the Api will likely change. Also as a developer, do you want to make an app on an OS that is not stable and then have it down voted because it's causing issues and not the actual app? That's basically what people in the store do. As a result early down votes bring the app down even if it's actually good. After it goes RTM I'm sure their developers will be able to focus on it more. Consider only the insiders have the OS. I'm sure with RTM there will be a flood of updates coming often. Right now even the apps are in testing mode. Also after RTM the focus will be more on adding features. So my guess is that like windows 10 desktop which has come a long way since RTM, mobile will get better in the same manner. Developing apps take time too. They have been working on ios and android apps for a while as well. They weren't as good initially as they are now. I know because I've been on all systems. The share in north America is saturated. So how do you get people to move over to windows phone? You show them good apps. Phone contracts will expire and people May consider windows. By then MS would have had more time to improve their own apps. They need to hook people somehow and their approach is great because people don't just leave their current OS and purchase a new phone just to try it out, given how expensive they are. They need some sort of motivation. Converting users is the hardest part and in north America that's what has to be done. And in the event they don't convert they at least have the users hooked on their OS of choice and still get revenue. North America is a tough nut to crack. Satya has a 2 year plan and that's how long it will likely take to gain a nice market share here. Show off your goods and work on creating a better experience in the meantime. As long as market share is growing, developers will notice. And in a growing market being first has advantages. Gameloft and game Troopers know this. What apps show up in best rated or top when you have had lots of time on a platform that's growing and others were ignoring? The early adaptors of course.
    I have to disagree on part of this. The fact that the OS is not yet RTM is not an excuse of the apps missing or lacking features. On IOS this does not happen and did not happen ever with a beta OS: see IOS 7 which was a complete OS refresh. If a developer is really interested in a platform WILL release an app while the OS is still in beta and will focus on apps that are missing: see Italy for example which has apps for banks, shops, local facilities on WP too because there the market share is higher than other regions. If Microsoft keeps on kicking users with their idiotic policies such as many of them: recent one with the onedrive fiasco, they won't be able to gather more customers, and will for sure lose many of the current ones.
    In Romania, game consoles are being bought like hot cake, games too. But here most prefer the PS4 instead because of the always online stupid policy on the xbox one...you could have a connection issue from your ISP and your xbox one won;t play any games...how nice is that??
    Getting back to the app situation, whether many like it or not, it's MS's fault all the way that devs don't pay interest and users are not switching.
    11-10-2015 12:42 AM
  2. ALpHa.Q.RoUgH's Avatar
    Windows 10 Mobile will be the last straw for me as to see whether I will stay with Microsoft or move to Apple and iOS.

    I decided to try a Iphone 6S+ for a couple days until the 950 XL comes out and for the past 2 days it has been a blessing using the device.

    Spotify works properly in my vehicle and actually remembers where I left off last.
    Soundcloud works and doesn't just freeze up
    I have my "Chase" bank app on iOS.
    Uber app (actually works and doesn't stutter)
    Snapchat!!!!
    All the major airlines apps are available
    Mint is not getting shut down on iOS and is fully fledged.
    Apple Pay (May become useful for me one day just tap my phone)

    and the list goes on and on...

    Let me not get into how the webpages load properly on the iPhone compared to my 1520 that I currently have. Microsoft has some catching up to do as far as there OS is concerned if they want to keep me. I've been through 7, mango, 8.1, insider previews and now 10. If things are not fixed or improved then it is no hope for me to keep defending Microsoft.

    The fingerprint scanner on the iPhone works quickly and think it will fare better than Windows Hello as Windows Hello on the surfacebook is still kind of wonky.
    11-10-2015 01:02 AM
  3. rocker1m1's Avatar
    I feel you. With my lumia 640, I am testing the waters of the Windows phone ecosystem and will get a highend phone in the next 2 months. If Microsoft is confident in their phones, and apps start to appear, then I will get the lumia 950xl. Otherwise, I am going back to Android with Nexus 6P. I just don't know why Microsoft is so focused in other platforms and generally delivers better apps than their own ecosystem, as a consumer looking into getting into the Windows ecosystem, that doesn't put much confidence in me.
    11-10-2015 01:12 AM
  4. houkoholic's Avatar
    The fingerprint scanner on the iPhone works quickly and think it will fare better than Windows Hello as Windows Hello on the surfacebook is still kind of wonky.
    What wonky? Googling on the net and there's almost no reports of Windows Hello not working on the Surface Book or the Surface Pro 4 and nearly everyone being very impressed with the ease and speed of it, with the only major kink being that it currently shortens the battery life of the machine.
    11-10-2015 02:47 AM
  5. Sandra Bullock's Avatar
    I'm soon leaving the plattform.
    I was probably one of the first lumia 920 buyers and I've been loving the platform since then. After the Lumia 920 my next and current phone was the Lumia 830. I've also converted many people to the plattform.

    I also remember that there was a time when you could see tons of apps arriving to the platform. This was more or less after the release of the Lumia 520. That period gave me lots of hope.

    But ever since the market share started to decline, I've experienced a lot of apps being abandoned, and not many apps at all being released. And most of it all, I'm tired of waiting.

    So I'm buying soon a Samsung Galaxy S6, and I'll get back to the platform if ever, when the app gap is fixed.
    I'll believe the app gap is fixed when I see it.
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    11-10-2015 03:44 AM
  6. j_the_geek's Avatar
    I'm surprised none of these companies have been sued for actively ignoring the Windows platform. You could say because of our choice and taste in technology Snapchat have decided not to provide a service, just because we own a Windows device.
    Never know, one day it could be part of equality.
    11-10-2015 04:33 AM
  7. WesleySmalls's Avatar
    I'm gonna sue Microsoft for not making a car.
    11-10-2015 05:07 AM
  8. ALpHa.Q.RoUgH's Avatar
    What wonky? Googling on the net and there's almost no reports of Windows Hello not working on the Surface Book or the Surface Pro 4 and nearly everyone being very impressed with the ease and speed of it, with the only major kink being that it currently shortens the battery life of the machine.
    Everybody experience is different. Yes when it works it's fast and is easy, but when it doesn't work it just keeps saying it couldn't recognize me and then I had to toggle to enter my PIN.
    11-10-2015 05:13 AM
  9. ALpHa.Q.RoUgH's Avatar
    I will say this though. After just installing the new 10581 build on my spare 1520 sitting around the house I'm impressed by the upgrades. The OneNote, OneDrive and web (specifically EDGE) is on par with it's iOS equivalents. I'm also impressed by the text messages and the clip allwoing me to insert photo right there.

    If the final release is similar to this build with better trassitions, less lag and improvements on being smooth they may have saved me from keeping my 6S+. It looks like my main gripes with Spotify and the web has been fixed with an improvement on messaging from the notifications screen.

    Oh and they added Slow-Mo!! C'mon 950 XL have a release date soon.
    11-10-2015 05:26 AM
  10. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    Four of those you listed are in the Windows Store (some with a persisting beta tag). But there still is no Snapshat or Subway surfer correct? (I don't find them). So, I guess I'm missing the pattern you are talking about. I'm not sure what you are describing.

    Unless you are talking about Apps being really popular and fading. I would suggest that Instgram and WhatsApp are still widely used. But that may be because I keep in touch with allot of friends who travel quite a bit and live throughout the world. Not everyone's usage scenario is similar to mine at all.
    But all those apps are now available on windows store, including Subway Surfer. My point is simple. An OS with 3% market share is bound to have such problems when a new developer makes a popular app and skips this OS. But people who use windows smartphones, people like me and you, have accepted this fact and we are sticking to this OS because we like its many other features and all the goods apps that it has. Then why cry on a forum?? If you have problems, just switch! No body is stopping you.
    11-10-2015 05:31 AM
  11. Daniel Prado's Avatar
    Just search snapchat windows phone astoria, You can install the android version on windows 10
    Maybe that is an option
    11-10-2015 06:44 AM
  12. ohgood's Avatar
    I don't like using my browser for everything. Now I have a bunch of apps that run faster, talk directly to the app creator without anything on the web interfering, give me actionable items in my action center and cuts down on my 40+ tabs I leave open in the browser. A good example is Readit, I get messages and I just respond directly in the action center. I don't have to go to a web interface and deal with it anymore. I can go directly into the app and get context and browse reddit in a nice UI.

    Hyper for youtube app lets me save youtube videos, has a great UI and lets me customize it to my needs.

    Twitter app the same thing.

    Ever since I got the apps I have a way smaller memory footprint since browsers tend to grow as more tabs are open and it's way more convenient. It's just the start. Anyone who actually spends some time running some great apps will likely not go back to the web experience. I mean I could never go back to the netflix web experience since the app is so convenient and works like a charm.



    the main point though was... very few applications are useful (used) between a handheld and a desktop (or laptop) to need an app.... and if they are, the web interface (chrome normally) does a good job.

    i don't normally download 8Gb files over torrents on the phone, but shapefiles and renders on the desktoop being downloaded / uploaded are almost constant. maps and other huge files, yes, happens on the desktop, not on the phone.

    gps / gis stoftware is used all the time on the phone, rarely on the desktop

    twitter/facebook/reddit/forums/whatever works great in a sync'd browser (chrome) and negates the need for an app

    i just don't see very many (at all) applications that are actually being demanded for both desktop and phones, for this to matter.
    11-10-2015 06:51 AM
  13. arwars's Avatar
    Windows 10 Mobile will be the last straw for me as to see whether I will stay with Microsoft or move to Apple and iOS.

    I decided to try a Iphone 6S+ for a couple days until the 950 XL comes out and for the past 2 days it has been a blessing using the device.

    Spotify works properly in my vehicle and actually remembers where I left off last.
    Soundcloud works and doesn't just freeze up
    I have my "Chase" bank app on iOS.
    Uber app (actually works and doesn't stutter)
    Snapchat!!!!
    All the major airlines apps are available
    Mint is not getting shut down on iOS and is fully fledged.
    Apple Pay (May become useful for me one day just tap my phone)

    and the list goes on and on...

    Let me not get into how the webpages load properly on the iPhone compared to my 1520 that I currently have. Microsoft has some catching up to do as far as there OS is concerned if they want to keep me. I've been through 7, mango, 8.1, insider previews and now 10. If things are not fixed or improved then it is no hope for me to keep defending Microsoft.

    The fingerprint scanner on the iPhone works quickly and think it will fare better than Windows Hello as Windows Hello on the surfacebook is still kind of wonky.





    My thoughts exactly. I went with the 6s+ 128gb (since there is no memory card option) and while I miss Cortana, my Lumia camera (20mp) and my live tiles... I am adapting to the OS which is EXACTLY as you stated.

    Maybe in a few years, Win10M will be good enough, right now, it's not. I wanted a Band2 with Cortana on newer phone hardware. It makes me sad.
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    11-10-2015 06:51 AM
  14. ohgood's Avatar
    My thoughts exactly. I went with the 6s+ 128gb (since there is no memory card option) and while I miss Cortana, my Lumia camera (20mp) and my live tiles... I am adapting to the OS which is EXACTLY as you stated.

    Maybe in a few years, Win10M will be good enough, right now, it's not. I wanted a Band2 with Cortana on newer phone hardware. It makes me sad.

    almost word for word the same expression from the two people i know that tried windows mobile -- oops windows phone -- oops again, now it's windows mobile again --- and went back to ios devices.

    i just wanted microsoft to be a competitor, so i could gain stuff on my old cheap android devices. oh well, guess it's just going to be ios and android. :(
    11-10-2015 07:26 AM
  15. FearL0rd's Avatar
    APP GAP is there everybody know. Stop talking about 3rd party replacing it.
    They need official apps to have the platform successful.
    11-10-2015 07:42 AM
  16. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    APP GAP is there everybody know
    Again a generalized statement. Just because there is an app gap for you doesn't mean that everybody feels the same way. So stop speaking for us. You are not our elected representative.
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    11-10-2015 07:47 AM
  17. 707wpfan's Avatar
    Again a generalized statement. Just because there is an app gap for you doesn't mean that everybody feels the same way. So stop speaking for us. You are not our elected representative.

    There is hardly any argument in America that WP has a major app issue. As WP fans we need to be honest with each other and you are in serious denial.
    11-10-2015 07:53 AM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    There is hardly any argument in America that WP has a major app issue. As WP fans we need to be honest with each other and you are in serious denial.
    Can you please stop with this kind of talk? Not just you, but everyone who talks like this. It's kind of annoying. My dad has a WP and there are no apps he is lacking. The phone suits all of his needs and wants. To him, there is no app gap.

    To me, there might be an app or two that is nice, but I'm even struggling to think of that at the moment. A bank app would be nice, sure but I don't really do that kind of activity on my phone much. Now if I have to deposit checks because of business or so, there would be one for me. Snapchat seems uh, different. Periscope, I can't be bothered.

    However, of course I would like for some apps to be improved, such as the Kindle app.
    11-10-2015 08:03 AM
  19. jropelato1's Avatar
    Exact same boat. Picked up an iphone 6s plus while I wait and see what 950 brings to the table app wise. Hate most of it, but some stuff works so friggin well.
    11-10-2015 08:17 AM
  20. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    There is hardly any argument in America that WP has a major app issue. As WP fans we need to be honest with each other and you are in serious denial.
    So I am dishonest if our thoughts are out of sync? Speak for yourself, not for me or others or even other Americans. I have more than 50 apps on my Lumia. These include all the major banks - HDFC, ICICI, CITI; all the major service providers - Reliance, Airtel, Vodafone, Idea, paytm, all the major food outlets - Faasos, FoodPanda, McDonalds, all major shopping sites - Flipkart, Snapdeal, Amazon, Ebay. Even games of new Bollywood movies like Dhoom 3 only launched exclusively on Windows mobile. You know nothing about us and then make a generalized nonsense comment. Come on man. I am HONEST when I am talking about MY experiences. May be you are suffering from short sightedness.
    Last edited by Satish Singh; 11-10-2015 at 08:48 AM.
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    11-10-2015 08:19 AM
  21. 707wpfan's Avatar
    So I am dishonest if our thoughts are out of sync? Speak for yourself, not for me or others or even other Americans. I have more than 50 apps on my Lumia. These include all the major banks - HDFC, ICICI, CITI; all the major service providers - Reliance, Airtel, Vodafone, Idea, paytm, all the major food outlets - Faasos, FoodPanda, McDonalds. Even games of new Bollywood movies like Dhoom 3 only launched exclusively on Windows mobile. You know nothing about us and then make a generalized nonsense comment. Come on man. I am HONEST when I am talking about MY experiences. May be you are suffering from short sightedness.
    You speak of YOUR experience while at same time TELLING people that "our" and "us" are happy with things, as if you yourself speak for a group? Who that mouse in your pocket?
    920Walker likes this.
    11-10-2015 08:50 AM
  22. 920Walker's Avatar
    Can you please stop with this kind of talk? Not just you, but everyone who talks like this. It's kind of annoying. My dad has a WP and there are no apps he is lacking. The phone suits all of his needs and wants. To him, there is no app gap.

    To me, there might be an app or two that is nice, but I'm even struggling to think of that at the moment. A bank app would be nice, sure but I don't really do that kind of activity on my phone much. Now if I have to deposit checks because of business or so, there would be one for me. Snapchat seems uh, different. Periscope, I can't be bothered.

    However, of course I would like for some apps to be improved, such as the Kindle app.
    I'm ok with not having all the apps, but you just described the app gap.
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    11-10-2015 09:02 AM
  23. garak0410's Avatar
    Here's a quick rant-ish of sorts:

    I have been a Windows fan for a long time. Had a Windows 7 Phone, still use original Surface RT, have a Band, etc, etc.

    I have been using a replacement Win HD phone since my 930 cracked and stopped working. I have been a big proponent or defender of the OS. And to this day, I have never had a big issue with the App gap. In fact, I saw Windows 10 as the difference maker - Universal Apps means more Apps!

    But now there have been several apps released that I use or need to use for work - Periscope, Instagram (with video), Snapchat plus many many more. I mean I feel the gap is getting worse, not better. While many platforms have supported Windows 10, how long will it take?

    Will Windows 10 Mobile launch with all these apps already at least in a beta stage? For the first time since my Windows 7 Phone, I'm actually considering altneratives. I work in MKT, I need Snapchat, I need Periscope, I need a functioning Instagram. Plus other brand apps. "Hey, test my app." or wait, I can't, because almost no brand ever designs anything for Windows 10.

    I'm going to even extend the purpose of this particular post and say that even with Windows 10 out now for a while and in many million PCs, the Apps really are not flooding the Microsoft Store.. but this is about Windows 10 Mobile mainly, so I'll keep it at that.

    Thoughts?
    I feel your pain...the icing on the cake was the 950XL not working on Verizon. I so wanted this phone and I can't change due to work. I tried out a Note 5 and as much as I loved my Lumia ICON, I just couldn't give up many of the apps I didn't have or that were so much better on Android. I am also a big proponent of Windows Phone but I am officially done with the "wait and see" approach. I've had an epiphany of sorts and I've decided to embrace cross platform and be platform agnostic but with a high percentage of Microsoft Services. May move off of Groove if they don't improve the Android App and go to Play Music or Amazon Music.

    And totally agree...the apps are not flooding to the Windows Store as they should and I don't think it is because developers are waiting on mobile to be released. Project Astoria and Islandwood should have taken off by now but it is more "wait and see."
    11-10-2015 09:07 AM
  24. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    There is hardly any argument in America that WP has a major app issue. As WP fans we need to be honest with each other and you are in serious denial.
    Can you please stop with this kind of talk? Not just you, but everyone who talks like this. It's kind of annoying. My dad has a WP and there are no apps he is lacking. The phone suits all of his needs and wants. To him, there is no app gap.
    So I am dishonest if our thoughts are out of sync? Speak for yourself, not for me or others or even other Americans. I have more than 50 apps on my Lumia. These include all the major banks - HDFC, ICICI, CITI; all the major service providers - Reliance, Airtel, Vodafone, Idea, paytm, all the major food outlets - Faasos, FoodPanda, McDonalds, all major shopping sites - Flipkart, Snapdeal, Amazon, Ebay. Even games of new Bollywood movies like Dhoom 3 only launched exclusively on Windows mobile. You know nothing about us and then make a generalized nonsense comment. Come on man. I am HONEST when I am talking about MY experiences. May be you are suffering from short sightedness.
    Calm down. I don't understand how either "side" sees the other opinion as contradicting their own.

    It's like saying there is an obesity problem in the US. That doesn't mean EVERYONE is fat.

    So basically, iPhone and Android users pig out on apps while Windows Phone users are the trim and fit among phone users.

    Sorry. I started out with good intentions but couldn't resist throwing another log on the fire at the end.
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    11-10-2015 09:08 AM
  25. garak0410's Avatar
    I'm soon leaving the plattform.
    I was probably one of the first lumia 920 buyers and I've been loving the platform since then. After the Lumia 920 my next and current phone was the Lumia 830. I've also converted many people to the plattform.

    I also remember that there was a time when you could see tons of apps arriving to the platform. This was more or less after the release of the Lumia 520. That period gave me lots of hope.

    But ever since the market share started to decline, I've experienced a lot of apps being abandoned, and not many apps at all being released. And most of it all, I'm tired of waiting.

    So I'm buying soon a Samsung Galaxy S6, and I'll get back to the platform if ever, when the app gap is fixed.
    I'll believe the app gap is fixed when I see it.
    Agreed...I prefer the platform over Android but the app gap is bad and in a way, I feel more "powerful" with Android at times...
    11-10-2015 09:09 AM
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