11-08-2015 09:12 PM
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  1. thegamevg's Avatar
    The OP's frustration and disappointment echoes mine for the most part except for the start screen in W10M which I find a few steps backwards. The cramped tiles and transparency is tacky. The app list is also pretty bad with everything shoved to the left and the amateurish search bar on the top. It's like they put it there temporarily and forgot about it.

    Windows Phone 7/8/8.1 were visually distinct and beautiful. There was definite flow from app to app and it all looked so clean and elegant. W10M on the other hand is like if you took the worst elements of Android and iOS and put them in a blender and this was the result. Just embarrassing and an insult to everyone that came to the platform. Even the dark theme is weak. It's like MS fired everyone that worked on the previous versions and replaced them with two ex-Google interns who only have time to work on it on their lunch breaks. I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
    I'm with you on the Windows 7 / 8 /8.1 visual elements... it was unlike anything I had used or seen personally.
    However, it definitely didn't favour functionality and usability.. a revamp was inevitable...

    I just hope that visual refinements are in the queue .. right after they fill in the gaps for missing features.
    11-06-2015 01:29 PM
  2. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    I know what you mean... I posted my own concepts about what I want W10M to look like ( http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ncepts%5D.html ) and showed them to family/friends. They liked it too, especially the colored bar on top.

    http://1drv.ms/1iTpME6 - My OneDrive folder with all my ideas (so far, have a few more I want to make)
    11-06-2015 01:42 PM
  3. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Well considering that Windows 10 mobile is still in beta, I think we can all expect MORE. I remember when I updated my then 530 with the first insider build of Windows 10 mobile. I was thinking..."what is MSFT doing?" There was a stark contrast to the other mobile window OS UI's. I had to take a step back and view things from the perspective of where MSFT was headed, not where it was coming from. We can see through the transitions of builds what things have been changed and updated and I will be the first to say that I am a big fan of the direction it's going. There are still some core issues that need to be addressed like the fine tuning of the integration of the Office suite, outlook mail and calendars, and Skype messaging with MSFT messaging before they look into things like fonts. I will advise everyone to continue to submit feedback and concerns as it appears we are being heard more than before.

    Ultimately I don't expect to see what Windows mobile is capable of until they release the new phones as some features won't be achievable with current models. Either way I'd hold off any real expectations until everything is official.
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    11-06-2015 01:46 PM
  4. thegamevg's Avatar
    Well considering that Windows 10 mobile is still in beta, I think we can all expect MORE. I remember when I updated my then 530 with the first insider build of Windows 10 mobile. I was thinking..."what is MSFT doing?" There was a stark contrast to the other mobile window OS UI's. I had to take a step back and view things from the perspective of where MSFT was headed, not where it was coming from. We can see through the transitions of builds what things have been changed and updated and I will be the first to say that I am a big fan of the direction it's going. There are still some core issues that need to be addressed like the fine tuning of the integration of the Office suite, outlook mail and calendars, and Skype messaging with MSFT messaging before they look into things like fonts. I will advise everyone to continue to submit feedback and concerns as it appears we are being heard more than before.

    Ultimately I don't expect to see what Windows mobile is capable of until they release the new phones as some features won't be achievable with current models. Either way I'd hold off any real expectations until everything is official.
    Agree with you on being a fan of the direction it's going... have certainly seen a lot of UI aspects improve through multiple insider builds.

    I do tire of the "Windows 10 mobile being in BETA " comment though :) But I don't mean that as a rub on anybody..
    It's been a blessing and a curse to actually see the OS through the development process .. I'm in software development myself, so I know how ugly things are at the start...

    We are literally days away from RTM though.. I think its safe to assume that visual refinements , not visual glitches, are low priority at the moment..As they should be.
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    11-06-2015 01:58 PM
  5. elindalyne's Avatar
    Actually visual refinements are generally high on the priority list the closer you get to RTM. They're usually easy but tedious to do and have a low chance of breaking something.
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    11-06-2015 06:21 PM
  6. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Of course it needs refinement but I'm happy with it. Can't wait to put it on my daily driver (I have it on my secondary device now).
    11-06-2015 07:25 PM
  7. thegamevg's Avatar
    Actually visual refinements are generally high on the priority list the closer you get to RTM. They're usually easy but tedious to do and have a low chance of breaking something.
    Definitely easy-to-do .. Being in software development though, I see such refinements being looked at as "minor annoyances" and "nice-to-haves" compared to regression defects and performance bugs.. such changes seldom get prioritized or fast-tracked in my world ..
    11-07-2015 06:13 AM
  8. elindalyne's Avatar
    Eh... different strokes for different folks then. We usually have a UI cleanup sprint while things are going through final regression testing to give things a final spit shine before it goes out to the client.
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    11-07-2015 07:46 AM
  9. Chris Sandiford's Avatar
    The kerning in the font headers has long bothered me, but I'm happy to say the last updates (last week) to the Store and Messaging+Skype apps have sorted it out. You can still see it in the Photos app which has not been updated. They've gone all caps across the board now as you can see. And yes - Glance STILL won't install!

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    11-07-2015 08:04 AM
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    The screenshots you posted are a great example of the point I raised..
    Happy to see it moving in the right direction though... the Before pic looks atrocious !
    11-07-2015 09:46 AM
  11. ninjaap's Avatar
    I have to agree. I feel W10M is... Boring? I guess? I dunno, every time I install it on my 1520 I end up uninstalling it and reverting back to 8.1, which I did just last night. I think it is the font that bothers me. Especially the app list. The font is so small on the 1520, almost like the wrong screen resolution is being used. I'll probably never upgrade my 1520.
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    11-07-2015 10:09 AM
  12. thegamevg's Avatar
    I have to agree. I feel W10M is... Boring? I guess? I dunno, every time I install it on my 1520 I end up uninstalling it and reverting back to 8.1, which I did just last night. I think it is the font that bothers me. Especially the app list. The font is so small on the 1520, almost like the wrong screen resolution is being used. I'll probably never upgrade my 1520.
    I think the size of the font is a fallout of the task MS has taken upon themselves - One OS to rule them all...
    I have a Non-touch Lenovo laptop on Windows 10.. In desktop mode, for example, the notification center is faaaaar too large, quick toggles included..

    I'm sure they'll keep working on scaling and adjusting the UI to different screens and resolutions.. I'm not sure but I thought I read about an option in W10M to make the fonts larger..
    11-07-2015 10:19 AM
  13. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    Dude...tell me about it. What made us fall in love with WP is no longer there, in what I believe to be a panic move to resemble other OSs just like WP7 lacked features to resemble the basic iOS at the time. I know you understand UI when you see OneDrive and go "beautiful". I wish Microsoft could distinguish good design and see how having a Settings page on a giant desktop, with 80% empty, barren space doesn't make sense. They either don't see or don't care anymore.
    11-07-2015 10:33 AM
  14. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I don't like the wireframe icons either. Like the send button in e-mail, etc.. What is most annoying is that when I go to save a picture in say Edge. I have go to through so many screens to save my picture to a place I like, and I have to do it each time I save a picture. There should be a default folder you pick and then a "Save as" button for those who wish to save it outside of their default.

    I've already sent feedback on settings for windows 10 mobile. It got maybe 1 upvote. The premise is to have icons in all the settings not just the main screen. If I want to find "display". I can find an icon of a monitor much quicker and then confirm the text, rather than skimming through text. The settings just seems unfinished by having icons only on the main page. It's so damn weird.
    11-07-2015 10:37 AM
  15. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I have to agree. I feel W10M is... Boring? I guess? I dunno, every time I install it on my 1520 I end up uninstalling it and reverting back to 8.1, which I did just last night. I think it is the font that bothers me. Especially the app list. The font is so small on the 1520, almost like the wrong screen resolution is being used. I'll probably never upgrade my 1520.
    You know you can increase the font size? Go to the dpi settings.

    Also under Ease of access, go to more options and use text scaling to make text bigger.
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    11-07-2015 10:40 AM
  16. Steve Thackery's Avatar
    Windows Phone 7/8/8.1 were visually distinct and beautiful. There was definite flow from app to app and it all looked so clean and elegant. W10M on the other hand is like if you took the worst elements of Android and iOS and put them in a blender and this was the result. Just embarrassing and an insult to everyone that came to the platform. Even the dark theme is weak. It's like MS fired everyone that worked on the previous versions and replaced them with two ex-Google interns who only have time to work on it on their lunch breaks. I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
    I totally agree. I'm a massive Windows supporter, but I just had to go back to WP8.1 on my Lumia 1520 because I was so disappointed at the way Microsoft had jettisoned almost all the gorgeous UI innovations of WP8.1 and ended up making a half-baked Android-look-alike.

    I know why they did it (to make it easier to port Android apps to W10) but I deeply regret it and furthermore I don't even think it will work.
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    11-07-2015 11:21 AM
  17. ninjaap's Avatar
    You know you can increase the font size? Go to the dpi settings.

    Also under Ease of access, go to more options and use text scaling to make text bigger.
    Oh really? I didn't know about the dpi settings. All o ever found were the text scaling under ease of access. Thanks. I guess ill remember that whenever I decide to try 10 again.
    11-07-2015 06:31 PM
  18. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    I've already sent feedback on settings for windows 10 mobile. It got maybe 1 upvote. The premise is to have icons in all the settings not just the main screen. If I want to find "display". I can find an icon of a monitor much quicker and then confirm the text, rather than skimming through text. The settings just seems unfinished by having icons only on the main page. It's so damn weird.
    The reason why it's done like that is so MS doesn't have to design a 100 different icons for each setting. The icons are so poorly designed in W10M it wouldn't matter much either.

    There really was nothing wrong with the text based settings screen in WP 7/8/8.1 other than MS deciding to just make the list longer instead of combining a lot of it. Brightness, Screen Rotation and Display could've been one line for example.
    11-07-2015 06:40 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    The reason why it's done like that is so MS doesn't have to design a 100 different icons for each setting. The icons are so poorly designed in W10M it wouldn't matter much either.

    There really was nothing wrong with the text based settings screen in WP 7/8/8.1 other than MS deciding to just make the list longer instead of combining a lot of it. Brightness, Screen Rotation and Display could've been one line for example.
    I get that but they already have a lot of the icons on desktop tthey can modify. They should at least clean up the settings. Like if I go to display in settings, this should also have all the display settings from extras. They are all over the place, it's a mess. Also part of my feedback that won't see the day of light. They need to integrate all the settings in less places. I see a lot of doubles and then clicking on links to get more settings within settings pages. It's not easy for a typical iphone user. Even android is cleaner.
    11-08-2015 07:18 AM
  20. Clinton_O's Avatar
    I dont like the change from unique os to a me too Android look alike. I understand they did a lot of it to make it easier for users of other platforms to switch over but they kinda said screw those of us who liked WP 7/8 ui
    11-08-2015 09:12 PM
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