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  1. jbaylon's Avatar
    I've got an HTX One M8 on AT&T, and I noticed recently that Microsoft has listed my phone as compatible for the windows 10 Mobile updates. Honestly, I'm a bit tired of waiting for windows 10, and I want to install it on my phone. However, I've got two concerns I'd need more confidence in before I make the plunge.

    1) Is the latest build ready to be a daily driver? Is it stable enough, quick enough, and full featured enough? Is the installation process safe enough that I won't run the risk of permanently ruining my phone? I know Microsoft has said they are almost ready to release W10M, but I'd love some opinions from people who have used it.

    2) Will I have any issues with AT&T? I would be surprised if this was an issue, but I got a little worried when the Insider app asked me about potential data cost hikes and whatnot affiliated with upgrading my OS. Is there anything to worry about here?

    I don't have a backup phone, and I don't want my phone to die forever. However, I'm pretty tech savvy generally, and I've got my data backed up, so I'm not too worried about needing to roll back to 8.1 or hard reset the phone or whatnot.

    Thanks!
    11-19-2015 12:03 PM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    If your new build is buggy, please consider doing a hard reset without restoring a backup and keep in mind that there are users who aren't having the same issues :p

    @OP.. As you can see w10m isn't a success for everyone. We can't pin it down to a certain phone or a certain user. Some report perfection and some report failure. You won't know which side you stand on, until you try it unfortunately. I can tell you that most people do upgrade successfully otherwise this whole program would've been a failure since the beginning.

    Like anguila says.. give it a shot and if you don't like it downgrade using the windows device recovery tool (download the tool first to check if it can detect your phone)
  3. anguilla1980's Avatar
    Just try it, if you're not happy just use the Windows Device Recovery tool. No big deal.
    11-19-2015 12:08 PM
  4. thomasdtran's Avatar
    I installed Build 10586 from 8.1 on my Lumia 822 and so far it works really well. The OS is stable and it's about the same speed, if not faster than 8.1. I just ordered a new OEM battery to see if the battery drain is due to the OS or my battery.
    11-19-2015 12:12 PM
  5. Montpbm's Avatar
    Honestly no.. Mines is so buggy, it lags often, plus the older version before this new one ran better.
    11-19-2015 12:13 PM
  6. ven07's Avatar
    If your new build is buggy, please consider doing a hard reset without restoring a backup and keep in mind that there are users who aren't having the same issues :p

    @OP.. As you can see w10m isn't a success for everyone. We can't pin it down to a certain phone or a certain user. Some report perfection and some report failure. You won't know which side you stand on, until you try it unfortunately. I can tell you that most people do upgrade successfully otherwise this whole program would've been a failure since the beginning.

    Like anguila says.. give it a shot and if you don't like it downgrade using the windows device recovery tool (download the tool first to check if it can detect your phone)
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    11-19-2015 12:20 PM
  7. jbaylon's Avatar
    Welp,
    Taking the plunge. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be prepared to roll back to 8.1 if necessary. I'll let you know how it feels after the install!
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    11-19-2015 04:14 PM
  8. DalekSnare's Avatar
    No, I would have said yes about 10581 but either this build is a lot buggier or I was just lucky before. My main issues now are that messaging crashes and skype integration no longer works. I did a hard reset and didn't restore from backup.
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    11-19-2015 05:05 PM
  9. ven07's Avatar
    Welp,
    Taking the plunge. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be prepared to roll back to 8.1 if necessary. I'll let you know how it feels after the install!
    We'll be waiting :) fingers crossed
    11-19-2015 06:57 PM
  10. gwinegarden's Avatar
    I installed Build 10586 from 8.1 on my Lumia 822 and so far it works really well. The OS is stable and it's about the same speed, if not faster than 8.1. I just ordered a new OEM battery to see if the battery drain is due to the OS or my battery.
    Me too. I bit the bullet and jumped straight from 8.1 on my 920. The only obvious things, so far, are that Gestures Beta says it doesn't work on this version and a newer version doesn't shown up. Also Here Drive + and Here Transit say to download the "new improved" versions but I can't find them either.
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    11-19-2015 07:20 PM
  11. ven07's Avatar
    Me too. I bit the bullet and jumped straight from 8.1 on my 920. The only obvious things, so far, are that Gestures Beta says it doesn't work on this version and a newer version doesn't shown up. Also Here Drive + and Here Transit say to download the "new improved" versions but I can't find them either.
    Yupp MS has yet to implement support for gestures on w10m and the HERE apps issue isn't a new one. Some users still have them, but others don't and can't download them
    11-19-2015 07:31 PM
  12. always_salil's Avatar
    No, I would have said yes about 10581 but either this build is a lot buggier or I was just lucky before. My main issues now are that messaging crashes and skype integration no longer works. I did a hard reset and didn't restore from backup.
    did you go to skype setup in the massage +skype app?
    11-19-2015 07:34 PM
  13. Jack Neill's Avatar
    I have had constant crashes, lag and weird scrolling issues, SMS crashes almost 75% of the time, and app updates are in constant error. Using it on a 920 that was hard reset and a 640 that wasn't. same experience on both. I'm sorry to say yet again, 10 isn't for me yet and I'll be going back to 8.1.

    Sigh..
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    11-19-2015 07:58 PM
  14. DalekSnare's Avatar
    did you go to skype setup in the massage +skype app?
    Yes, I set it up and logged in to Skype, but the only effect was that the app would crash constantly. I finally logged back out of Skype in an attempt to make messaging work at least with SMS, but it still crashes when I open it. I always have to open it twice to get it to stay open.
    11-20-2015 01:14 AM
  15. DalekSnare's Avatar
    I have had constant crashes, lag and weird scrolling issues, SMS crashes almost 75% of the time, and app updates are in constant error. Using it on a 920 that was hard reset and a 640 that wasn't. same experience on both. I'm sorry to say yet again, 10 isn't for me yet and I'll be going back to 8.1.

    Sigh..
    Same here with SMS crashing and app updates. The last build was actually a lot better, with none of these issues (for me at least).
    11-20-2015 01:15 AM
  16. bells0's Avatar
    Ok, silly question - why not restore from backup after a hard reset?

    Went from 8.1 to new build for first time yesterday, all was ok apart from quiet hours not working. So just done a hard reset and currently waiting for all the apps to redownload from my backup..........At least auto quiet hours is working again - but have i stuffed something by loading a backup??
    11-20-2015 07:21 AM
  17. jbaylon's Avatar
    Got 10586 yesterday evening, and so far my experience is a mostly positive one. First off: HOLY COW, IT'S GORGEOUS. Just so, so pretty. UI elements are well thought out. I'm honestly very impressed at how fluid and intuitive and pretty it comes across when there are really only very minimal changes to the interface and mechanics. The updated apps (weather, messaging and phone, pandora, etc.) also help with the improved experience.

    Performance: Generally very fluid. Messaging app was glitchy (opening but not showing threads, crashing, being slow, etc.) right after install, but it seems peppy and stable now. Other apps seem fast and smooth. A couple other apps (e.g. Pandora) were super glitchy as well, but uninstalling and re-installing seems to have fixed all the issues I've seen so far.

    One major maybe issue: Battery. First, I left my phone charging through the night, as I usually do, and when my alarm went off this morning, my phone was HOT. Like it was trying to light itself on fire. Battery was charged, no apps in the background. I immediately turned it off, let it cool down, and started it up. So far no issues since, but I'm concerned that it will try to overheat itself every time I plug it in. Has anyone else seen this problem? Maybe it's a "you just installed a new OS so I need to spend all night chugging through data" issue?

    Second, it does generally eat through battery life quickly. With minimal use and only a couple hours into today, it seems questionable that it will even survive my workday. Not a game changer, yet, and I hope it gets optimized a bit, but so far the battery drains noticeably faster than it did under 8.1. Again, maybe this issue is a result of the recent install and will just fade away in a day or two, but for now I'm watching my battery meter with a measure of suspicion.
    11-20-2015 11:38 AM
  18. tyee44's Avatar
    i installed 586.11, 2 days ago on my Nokia 1520 from build 581. Everything downloaded and installed in less than 1/2 hour. The things and apps I use work very good. The external sd card is now showing useage and seems accurate, and all previous music, audio books, and movies previously stored on the sd card WORKS!!. Groove is working great, outlook is good, calender is good.
    overall new downloads seem to be downloading faster. I am unable to tell yet about battery efficiency yet. The lumia camera worked the first day, but ultimately stopped and I am using microsoft's camera now. i set up astrill vpn and it seems to work faster than my ipad 4 app or my computers window 10 app. The store continue upgrading various apps. i only have 4 apps the have not upgraded because of errors... All in all I am happy with the newer 586.11 upgrade
    11-20-2015 01:22 PM
  19. Jack Neill's Avatar
    I tried it again today just to make sure it still sucked. It still sucks. Crashes everywhere. I feel sorry for folks who paid 600 for a 950.
    11-20-2015 07:31 PM
  20. jbaylon's Avatar
    Not that I'm that experienced with the OS (only had it for 24 hours now), but literally nothing has crashed or seemed glitchy or unstable. The only eyebrow raiser for me is higher battery drain than I'm used to, but it's not unusable now, and I hope (and, maybe, expect) that over the next few days it'll level out a bit.

    I guess I just don't understand the "crashes everywhere" statement. What crashes are you seeing? And under what circumstances? Obviously your mileage will vary, but I'm surprised your experience would be so bad since mine was fairly seamless.
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    11-20-2015 07:49 PM
  21. slivy58's Avatar
    I tried it again today just to make sure it still sucked. It still sucks. Crashes everywhere. I feel sorry for folks who paid 600 for a 950.
    Have this build on my L830 and although it is usable can't say I'm overly impressed (haven't hard reset yet), did a hard rest on my L1020 (this build wasn't playing so nice on it) and ending up with a jackpot of the "not to good kind", me thinks were about to hard reset and move to another platform if this is the best MS can do. Ever since giving W10M a go (several builds back) I've experienced many inconsistencies with the OS in that the outcomes when opening apps, performing an action/function and so on can vary from time to time, too often for my liking especially when it hinders my daily routine.

    As for my L1020, was working ok on build 10581 and maybe even a tad better than my L830 did, upgraded to 10586 and suddenly things appeared to be on the decline :-(. phone became more sluggish, responsiveness to actions seemed to diminish as did the touch sensitivity. OK you say, lets do a hard reset and everything should be ticketyboo, haahahaha not by a longshot, the other idiosyncrasies still existed along with a few added just to spice things up, a weird one was on occasion is when I fired up the camera, a series of 15-20 icons which looks like the camera icon itself, will display/flash on the screen for a split second, store refuses to download some apps which upon investigating appears to be a known problem and the list goes on, needless to say I'm reverting back to W8.1 as this debacle (in opinion) is getting out of hand.

    So, "is build 10586 ready for use as a daily driver?", all I can say to that is "your mileage will vary", sediments relayed many times over, considering the miniscule amount of varying devices in the Windows phone realm compared to PCs I personally find this whole W10M venture very poorly implemented bar none, for those having little to no issues kudos to you but sadly I can't say the same.

    Update:
    A bug found that may just be mine lol, whilst my L1020 was on build 10581 I did an backup of settings/apps and OneDrive indicated such, with both 830 and 1020 on build 10586 did same to each twice yet could not find instances of any, just finished restoring 1020 to W8.1 and tried backup again, now shows on OneDrive???
    Last edited by Elky64; 11-21-2015 at 08:57 AM.
    11-21-2015 01:15 AM
  22. EspHack's Avatar
    if you were happy with pc build 10240 coming from 8.1 then I assume this would be a pretty similar experience, you lose the feeling of stability and near perfection OS in its prime but you gain lots of cool features and things you wished were there long ago, along with crashes and minor hiccups, I've been using 10586 after waiting on 8.1 denim and it doesn't feel any worse than when I moved from 8.0 to 8.1

    i'd say you can take the jump, you will feel like you are finally back on track on windows things, only thing missing is how elegant & consistent & reliable wp used to be
    11-21-2015 01:25 AM
  23. daniel_leavitt2000's Avatar
    I have the following: 635, 640 and two 920s. The 640 was my daily driver while I tested with the 635 and one 920 (the other being a control to test speed). I was happy with 586 enough to load it in my 640.

    I have run into some issues though. Edge loves to crash. This seems to be an edge issue as my desktop version will crash in the same manor in the same sites. I really do miss the download option when streaming video.

    Second. If you plan in loading apps on your SD card, get an U3 rated SDXC. Anything less and you will be waiting for things to load.

    Third. WordFlow has some bugs. Do not adjust your text size settings from default. This somehow broke the Swype like mapping of WordFlow making it unusable. Setting it back to default seems to have fixed the problem, but it is not as easy to type as in 8.1. Oh and for whatever reason, WordFlow does not work in the app store and some other very specific categories of text entry such as passwords.

    4. Battery seems to be very dependent on your inbox. I have half a dozen accounts for work. Google and exchange mail accounts really drain the battery. Yahoo and Hotmail are not bad. If you need more battery life, change settings here.

    5. Hardware support is awesome. Bluetooth keyboard and an arc mouse.... Who needs continuum?

    6. Want to see something really neat? Take two phones, load one with 8.1, the other with 10. Turn off cellular but keep WiFi enabled. 8.1 device may last two days. 10 device can last up to 12 DAYS! It looks like W10 has an incredible low power state of cell is turned off.

    7. Using various benchmark apps, pre 581 builds had a 10-15% hit in stats compared to 8.1. This was right across the board, but stood out especially in CPU, RAM and graphics scores. Post 581 builds have negligible difference.

    8. Screw you MS for removing Lumia Refocus and Panorama from the app store. Both will stay in your system and work if upgrading from 8.1, but if you uninstall them, you can not find them in the app store. If you fish through your app library, they will the store will say you need Amber firmware or better. But I'm in Denim. Not sure what is up with that but I really need the all in focus feature in Refocus for macro shots.
    11-21-2015 02:08 AM
  24. ramakrishnan_nagarajan's Avatar
    Been using the Insider Build since build #10572 on my Lumia 830. Here's my take on 10586 after two days of use. I did a soft reset once.
    The good:
    1. Touch experience is awesome; butter-smooth.
    2. Battery is as good as it was in 8.1.
    3. Storage is back to normal; no garbled names.
    The bad:
    1. The screen does flicker occasionally as it was doing in the previous builds. It happened especially when I use WhatsApp, Facebook, Edge, and Windows Central.
    2. The Messaging app crashed every time I opened it after say 30 minutes. There was an update available last night, which I grabbed. Now, it's working fine.
    3. Camera is almost good, but still not as it was in 8.1. Photo processing did mess up a photo once (just once), and I had to crop the good portions (which I have shared in the Nature Photo Contest thread).
    4. Videos still stutter in the first few seconds.
    I have been and will use it as my daily driver despite the few glitches because the overall experience is awesome and no going back to 8.1
    11-21-2015 03:53 AM
  25. cjkaliber's Avatar
    Lumia532. Works fine .very smooth responsive and the build is stable. The live tiles is works great. All apps i download works perfect . Btw i do a hard reset once.
    11-21-2015 04:07 AM

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