12-03-2015 01:53 AM
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  1. TheMelonOfWater's Avatar
    Hi everyone,
    Last week I upgraded my Lumia 1020 to Windows 10 Mobile from Windows Phone 8.1 and I almost immediately downgraded my phone back to WP8.1 because of some TERRIBLE bugs I was experiencing (I didn't downgrade because I have some apps that are no longer in the store). For one, when I simply swipe up and down the start screen, it will glitch out and teleport to a different section of the start screen EVERY TIME I SCROLL. I was immediately like "How on earth does Microsoft think this is ready if such a simple bug exists right on the start screen?" Tiles also don't appear right away when I scroll through my start screen fast. There are many other things that bug me about it but I won't get into it.

    Anyways, My dad decided to install Windows 10 Mobile on his Lumia 830 and let me tell you... it was a completely different experience. On my 1020, Windows 10 feels like an incomplete and extremely buggy OS. On my dad's Lumia 830, Windows 10 feels like a perfectly, polished, and complete OS that is ready to be released. On both our phones, we are running the same build (10586.11) so I was amazed at how well it ran on his phone.

    What I'm thinking is that Windows 10 Mobile is currently built more for newer devices with newer hardware. I believe I read in a Windows Central article a few weeks ago that Windows 10 Mobile was going to be released in waves so different devices will get it at different times. The devices that will get it first will probably be devices in the Lumia x3x and x4x range and Windows 10 will be released later for older devices in the Lumia x2x range. Microsoft will probably fix up bugs that exist when W10M is running on older devices by creating a new build and release it later to the Lumia x2x devices.

    So for the people who think Windows 10 Mobile is NOT ready and also for the people who think it IS ready, comment below with what device are you using and if you think it is ready or not. Lets see if we can see a pattern.
    11-27-2015 12:46 AM
  2. wrm1's Avatar
    I ran it on the HTC 1(m8)4Win and it was my daily driver for months. I over looked things like the video camera not actually working because of so many pluses. Ultimately, I switched back because I was tired of not being able to use my band with my phone. I expected an update that would fix the problem with band 2... Nothing. With the release of the 950/XL... Nope.

    That's what I'm waiting for. I miss the app store matching my computer. I miss being able to reply to texts without opening the app. But, ultimately, using the Cortana integration with my band trumped all the flash of Win10M.
    11-27-2015 01:02 AM
  3. raycpl's Avatar
    I have it on my spare 920 for months and it has been a rocky road. It has been quite decent on the last couple of insider builds. I'm not yet ready to jump in with my 830 as a daily driver. Can't live without some of the camera lens. But your post give me encouragement. TQ
    11-27-2015 01:35 AM
  4. chmun77's Avatar
    W10 on my 1520 is so much snappier than on the 640 XL. I hope the final W10M will be running well on all devices.
    11-27-2015 01:51 AM
  5. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Running it on a 1320. It runs pretty well, with issues, and the device definitely feels 'fresher'. I don't have the scrolling issues, but it does hang, requiring a restart. My biggest gripe is Cortana. That is what brought me to WP, and on W10M, she is a bit of an annoyance. Live tile goes to sleep and doesn't update, and she takes an age to read texts. Also happens on my sons 930, and a 640 + 640xl and a 435.

    Most things on 10 are intuitive for your average Joe. Settings is nicely laid out, two hand operation etc..

    I guess older / dual core phones need a bit of TLC for these devices to operate efficiently. I rolled back to 8.1 and the UI is awful after 10. Clunky, outdated big thick lines when tiles transparent, settings all over the place.... Definitely a difference in performance with 8.1 being far smoother and snappy, I would stay there, but it just looks / feels dated
    11-27-2015 02:15 AM
  6. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    It's not ready, whatever they say. I mean I can list bugs that I am pretty sure I've read them in all forums on all devices:
    - Music shuffle from the lockscreen, when it double swypes for each song (wth is that?)
    - Keyboard is not as precise as 8.1.
    - The sound distortion on notifications (it happens rarely but it is there). I mean I heard it on a Lumia 930, 640, 830.
    - Sometimes uninstalling apps remain stuck with blank icon in app list menu.
    - App scaling. You set DPI to low, yet WhatsApp has an immense font size.
    - Clicking on the tab button on the Edge browser, sometimes it takes a good 2 seconds to list all tabs. Or when trying to close them all, takes up to 2 seconds as well.
    - Camera, oh..the camera..is ruined. People forgot the amazing experience of video recording with a Lumia 930 and custom Hz setting. That setting is long gone.
    - Cortana display. On high 1080p screen with DPI set to minimum she is displaying in a much tightened space. I mean, what's the point of having that black space on the sides?
    - The Store.. Well, no matter what they say, the store is laggy in comparison to 8.1. Saw it even on a Lumia 950. Still laggy!
    - Custom ringtones like songs per person? Oh..yeah..maybe in 4 years. (Or is it just a bug on my own phone?)
    - Skype Video..the embedded one. It's a hit'n'miss. Likewise for Skype messaging embedded.
    - Photos (zooming in) then moving on different parts of the pictures. Lag, easily seen by the eye.
    - People app. Pictures scaling of facebook apps are wrong. People look like midgets sometimes.
    11-27-2015 04:54 AM
  7. slivy58's Avatar
    I've dumped W10M (10586.11) in the last few days, which I had running on both my 1020 & 830, wasn't so apparent until we reverted back to W8.1 as to how poorly W10M really is, sure it is getting better yet still way too buggy and inconsistent for my liking.
    Kram Sacul likes this.
    11-27-2015 03:50 PM
  8. ImaMess's Avatar
    Might explain why I didn't have the problems other did. I'm using the 830 and from the beginning I have stuck with W10 as my main driver. Have not had many problems until now. I realized my phone the 830 may never have Hey Cortana or glance screen. My two favorites....are not supported. Still, I would by a new phone rather than go back to W8. One of the best phones was the 925. Not all plastic and was a solid little phone, minus the microphone issues. We all eventually will be buying new phones and the W10 os will be a must for all. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜•
    11-27-2015 04:14 PM
  9. emperor_skull's Avatar
    I've dumped W10M (10586.11) in the last few days, which I had running on both my 1020 & 830, wasn't so apparent until we reverted back to W8.1 as to how poorly W10M really is, sure it is getting better yet still way too buggy and inconsistent for my liking.
    Mine is running very very smoothly, no issues on my 925
    11-27-2015 04:18 PM
  10. slivy58's Avatar
    Mine is running very very smoothly, no issues on my 925
    That is why I often use the word "inconsistent" to describe the OS, many claim their 1020s/830s are purring along just fine using the latest build yet that has been far from the case with mine, tried several builds and multiple installs yet sooner or later the results become intolerable, on the other hand, same outcome with W8.1 (always satisfying/consistent) time and time again for months on end.
    Tien-Lin Chang likes this.
    11-27-2015 04:30 PM
  11. patcherd's Avatar
    Both my Lumia 925 and 640 are running great on 10586.11.
    Was afraid to try again on my replacement Lumia 925 as the phone malfunctioned after a hard reset with win10. But I like this new system better, much more organized and the way the tiles open up.
    I wont give up my 925 for the Lumia 950 or 950 XL. Besides I have the 640 for a back ui p.
    11-27-2015 05:11 PM
  12. Dirigent82's Avatar
    Overall it's running fine on my ATT 830. It's definitely not as fluid as 8.1 Denim, but I like all the features and enhancements. I will say the Messaging app is my main complaint. The app itself is probably the most laggy part of the OS, but when sending SMS messages, it can take up to 2 minutes for the timestamp to appear on the sent message. That's RIDICULOUS. It's sporadic, but it happens frequently. Very annoying if you're trying to have a quick convo that needs to happen in real time.

    It's mind boggling to me that Microsoft can't have this, the most basic function of the phone, ready to go for prime time. It's not an isolated bug either - many users out there are complaining. I'm not sure if the problem exists on the new 950s or not. Any owners care to chime in?
    11-27-2015 06:39 PM
  13. WPUser5678309's Avatar
    I experienced something similar, my 1020 experience with the same software I am running on the 950 is totally different in regards to stability, speed, battery, etc. Still some flaws in W10M that make me say it is just not ready to compete and I am tired of being loyal to a fault.
    11-27-2015 07:18 PM
  14. markm091's Avatar
    Owner of a Lumia 930 and 920 here. Not having tested any of the Insider builds, I decided to install W10M on my old 920 first (which was set to factory defaults for WP8.1). I immediately noticed performance issues and undesirable carryovers from WP8.1 (such as tiles were not transparent, etc.). I then decided to reset to factory defaults for W10M and all of my issues seem to clear up with the exception of the Windows Store app being pretty slow.

    Performance was good enough over the course of the next day that I decided to upgrade my 930. After I did I immediately reset to factory defaults. Performance has been just fine again with the exception of the Windows Store app and the keyboard can be a little imprecise when using word flow. Other than a couple of training issues (how to import a custom ringtone?) I've had no problems over the last week and in my subjective opinion I prefer W10M over WP8.1.

    IMO resetting to factory defaults is an absolute must and will probably clear up these inconsistencies people are facing.
    11-27-2015 07:53 PM
  15. RuleOfSines's Avatar
    I have a 950, and I'd say W10M isn't ready enough to give to anyone who doesn't already like WM.
    11-27-2015 07:55 PM
  16. etphoto's Avatar
    Running "okay" on my M8. I remember when the Surface 3 came out and updates to Windows 10. All kinds of bugs and issues. Few months later and numerous updates later they are running just fine. I suppose WP10 will run the same course. Of course, we'll have to suffer through all the "WP10 sucks" threads in the meantime.
    11-27-2015 07:57 PM
  17. chmun77's Avatar
    Changing the notification toggle switches crashed for the setting page on my 1020 while everything are so much smoother on the 1520 & 640 XL. W10M is just still not ready for the masses.
    11-27-2015 08:15 PM
  18. markm091's Avatar
    I have a 950, and I'd say W10M isn't ready enough to give to anyone who doesn't already like WM.
    Are you on 10586.0 or .11? Supposedly the 950 ships with .0 and isn't eligible for the Insider builds so technically that's an old build.
    11-27-2015 08:57 PM
  19. SonOfDad's Avatar
    I installed the build prior to the current release on my 930 and it was more responsive than a 920 though some functionality was still problematic; the store takes far to long to open, app installs are slow and updates extremely slow. Yes I think Windows 10 mobile may in some way not be as optimised for gen 2 phones than gen 3 phones however a big point made for Windows 10 was it would work on old PC's, why can't the same occur on phones?
    11-27-2015 09:28 PM
  20. TheMelonOfWater's Avatar
    I installed the build prior to the current release on my 930 and it was more responsive than a 920 though some functionality was still problematic; the store takes far to long to open, app installs are slow and updates extremely slow. Yes I think Windows 10 mobile may in some way not be as optimised for gen 2 phones than gen 3 phones however a big point made for Windows 10 was it would work on old PC's, why can't the same occur on phones?
    Good point. I assume (or at least hope) that Microsoft does not release build 10586.11 for gen 2 phones. I suspect that they will release a more polished build but who knows.
    11-27-2015 09:33 PM
  21. Francis Amar Singh's Avatar
    Now I know why my 1020 died with the win 10 TP... It burned out...
    11-27-2015 10:13 PM
  22. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    I found on my 920 it didn't really become any more sluggish than it was on 8.1. However there's absolutely no reason why apps like Messaging should be so buggy and crashy, even with Skype. They had this working perfectly in 8.0 o_O

    As I type this though I remember that the keyboard is more laggy and the autocorrect fails to kick in even for blatantly obvious typos. That probably bugs me most of all.

    I like to think that it'll be smoother on a dedicated phone for Win10 with the right firmware though. Just have to decide whether I'm committed enough to go for the 950 or settle for 550.
    11-28-2015 06:07 AM
  23. Jack Neill's Avatar
    (I didn't downgrade because I have some apps that are no longer in the store)..
    With W10M I was able to download apps that had been delisted, it was awesome to play rocket riot again..
    11-28-2015 07:17 AM
  24. Jazmac's Avatar
    I ran it on the HTC 1(m8)4Win and it was my daily driver for months. I over looked things like the video camera not actually working because of so many pluses. Ultimately, I switched back because I was tired of not being able to use my band with my phone. I expected an update that would fix the problem with band 2... Nothing. With the release of the 950/XL... Nope.

    That's what I'm waiting for. I miss the app store matching my computer. I miss being able to reply to texts without opening the app. But, ultimately, using the Cortana integration with my band trumped all the flash of Win10M.
    I am using the same HTC M8 running the latest build and everything works except for Hey Cortana..And I think that is just a setting thing I have not been able to find in this latest build but my Band 1, Camera, Video, apps, everything else is flawless. How could you go back to 8.1? Yikes.
    Question: On your Band 2, did you reset it? Remove the Band completely then re-add it as a new device? It was what I had to do with the Band 1 and I'm just wondering if you did.
    11-28-2015 10:37 AM
  25. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Hi everyone,
    Last week I upgraded my Lumia 1020 to Windows 10 Mobile from Windows Phone 8.1 and I almost immediately downgraded my phone back to WP8.1 because of some TERRIBLE bugs I was experiencing (I didn't downgrade because I have some apps that are no longer in the store). For one, when I simply swipe up and down the start screen, it will glitch out and teleport to a different section of the start screen EVERY TIME I SCROLL. I was immediately like "How on earth does Microsoft think this is ready if such a simple bug exists right on the start screen?" Tiles also don't appear right away when I scroll through my start screen fast. There are many other things that bug me about it but I won't get into it.

    Anyways, My dad decided to install Windows 10 Mobile on his Lumia 830 and let me tell you... it was a completely different experience. On my 1020, Windows 10 feels like an incomplete and extremely buggy OS. On my dad's Lumia 830, Windows 10 feels like a perfectly, polished, and complete OS that is ready to be released. On both our phones, we are running the same build (10586.11) so I was amazed at how well it ran on his phone.

    What I'm thinking is that Windows 10 Mobile is currently built more for newer devices with newer hardware. I believe I read in a Windows Central article a few weeks ago that Windows 10 Mobile was going to be released in waves so different devices will get it at different times. The devices that will get it first will probably be devices in the Lumia x3x and x4x range and Windows 10 will be released later for older devices in the Lumia x2x range. Microsoft will probably fix up bugs that exist when W10M is running on older devices by creating a new build and release it later to the Lumia x2x devices.

    So for the people who think Windows 10 Mobile is NOT ready and also for the people who think it IS ready, comment below with what device are you using and if you think it is ready or not. Lets see if we can see a pattern.
    You've actually got that off. The first wave of devices to get the proper W10M update are on the Snapdragon 400 SoC. That includes the 830, along with the 630, 635, 640 and XL (if I remember correctly, they use the SD400), the 730, and the 735. From a benchmark standpoint, it tested actually closely with the S4 chip inside of the 1020, I think with the 400 winning a bit in CPU tests and the S4 running away in GPU tests.

    I've got it on my 920 (same S4 chip as the 1020, though the S4 has some additional, custom parts). It runs OK. Battery life is far from stellar, especially with LTE on. It gets upset and stuck on the "Resuming..." screen a LOT if you try to open the Messaging app from a notification (meaning you have to hit the Home button and open the app that way). It also has IM+ (which hasn't been updated in over a year, I don't think) telling me it crashed a lot, even when I just closed it myself. It's a 6 or 7 out of 10, I think, from a functionality/stability standpoint.
    11-28-2015 02:00 PM
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