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  1. ajayden's Avatar
    The point is MS is not in a position to ditch its customers by not offering a Windows 10 Mobile update. Android or Iphone customers are going to buy Android/iphone no matter how many time they are left with a non-updated phone. With a very little market share MS cannot afford to do this.

    So plain and simple, MS should deliver and customer should expect Windows10 Mobile on their old devices.
    Thank you for your valid comments but strong point for Microsoft is not their phones and therefore they should focus on their newer and areas where they are strong. Don't you think so?
    01-22-2016 12:42 AM
  2. arjunbkool's Avatar
    Just adding one minor detail (and not reading the entire thread). This country variant thing is a mess. I cant possibly be the last one to get an update just because i got this mobile from a different county.
    01-22-2016 01:22 AM
  3. pedmar007's Avatar
    With your post you did acknowledge that those two rival Co. do release high end devices almost every day. Compare that to MS whose last high end device bar that which has been released for December was the L930/L830 etc. Many didn't change from their L1520/920/1020 because they didn't see those two as a step up. Why would most change from what they have to the 950/950XL knowing the OS isn't finished? Why go there and complain when this isn't working or that isn't as well. The reason why it's easy for Apple and Google to do that is they're releasing updates to already completed OSes. They're not releasing something "NEW" are they? Right now the IOS and Android users on kit kat or lollipop are satisfied and with Marshmallow or IOS 9/9.02 for that matter all of them are satisfied with their devices as is and any update or additional features to what's already a quality OS will always be accepted.

    So your use of comparison is nonsense IMO as MS does not have anything near in comparison to the 14 devices mentioned running IOS and Android. So what else would they use to run their new OS on? to simple to comprehend knowing that the vast majority of WP users are still on devices from 2013 since it makes zero sense moving to a new device without an OS to compliment such a device. MS should NEVER have released the 950/950X/550/650 or whatever is coming next month without WP10 being completed and ready for public release........ NEVER. Downright and utter idiocy from a multi-billion dollar corporation that prides itself in innovation and intelligence.

    Why buy a new device with it's OS not #@&^%$ working? Because us "idiots" then turn and say the device is crap knowing it's the OS and not the device but still say such. People waiting on a "surface" hopefully branded device, whoopee!!! what happens if then the OS is still not up to scratch? will you still show of the device, will you still say oh how great MS is for making such a premium device?

    Instead what MS is doing to keep what little they still have is give everyone with a compatible WP8 device the opp to experience WP10 and after having an acceptable or better experience then choose to a higher end device to make the experience even BETTER.

    Fix the OS first!!!
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    01-22-2016 01:46 AM
  4. pedmar007's Avatar
    I understand what you are saying. I also have 920, 1020 and 1520 running WM10 and they are running very well without any glitches. But, what we have here are few old phones running very well on WM10. Rest of the people are complaining about them not running well.
    10 people buy the same car model, 2 of the 10 complain about issues with theirs, should the remaining eight return theirs?
    01-22-2016 02:02 AM
  5. ajayden's Avatar
    With your post you did acknowledge that those two rival Co. do release high end devices almost every day. Compare that to MS whose last high end device bar that which has been released for December was the L930/L830 etc. Many didn't change from their L1520/920/1020 because they didn't see those two as a step up. Why would most change from what they have to the 950/950XL knowing the OS isn't finished? Why go there and complain when this isn't working or that isn't as well. The reason why it's easy for Apple and Google to do that is they're releasing updates to already completed OSes. They're not releasing something "NEW" are they? Right now the IOS and Android users on kit kat or lollipop are satisfied and with Marshmallow or IOS 9/9.02 for that matter all of them are satisfied with their devices as is and any update or additional features to what's already a quality OS will always be accepted.

    So your use of comparison is nonsense IMO as MS does not have anything near in comparison to the 14 devices mentioned running IOS and Android. So what else would they use to run their new OS on? to simple to comprehend knowing that the vast majority of WP users are still on devices from 2013 since it makes zero sense moving to a new device without an OS to compliment such a device. MS should NEVER have released the 950/950X/550/650 or whatever is coming next month without WP10 being completed and ready for public release........ NEVER. Downright and utter idiocy from a multi-billion dollar corporation that prides itself in innovation and intelligence.

    Why buy a new device with it's OS not #@&^%$ working? Because us "idiots" then turn and say the device is crap knowing it's the OS and not the device but still say such. People waiting on a "surface" hopefully branded device, whoopee!!! what happens if then the OS is still not up to scratch? will you still show of the device, will you still say oh how great MS is for making such a premium device?

    Instead what MS is doing to keep what little they still have is give everyone with a compatible WP8 device the opp to experience WP10 and after having an acceptable or better experience then choose to a higher end device to make the experience even BETTER.

    Fix the OS first!!!
    MS should NEVER have released the 950/950X/550/650 or whatever is coming next month without WP10 being completed and ready for public release........ NEVER. Downright and utter idiocy from a multi-billion dollar corporation that prides itself in innovation and intelligence.

    Why buy a new device with it's OS not #@&^%$ working?

    Instead what MS is doing to keep what little they still have is give everyone with a compatible WP8 device the opp to experience WP10 and after having an acceptable or better experience then choose to a higher end device to make the experience even BETTER.
    I have quoted three statements from your posts. The first two statements contradict the last statement and makes it nonsensical. If W10 is uncompleted and cannot run well on new hardware, how will it run well on older hardware? And, how will someone stop complaining when it does not run well on new or old hardware? So my suggestion that older phones should not receive updates is proven by your own statements.

    BTW, I did not say other OSes are not buggy but I am talking about the selection of devices for which OSes are released by Apple or Android.

    Example is the link below where iOS 9 was buggy only release
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0

    ios-9-buggy.png
    Last edited by ajayden; 01-22-2016 at 07:53 AM.
    01-22-2016 07:24 AM
  6. AndyCalling's Avatar
    So doesn't that mean that there is an issue on running the OS on older devices and that means the devices must not upgraded?
    No, it means there is an issue running the OS on all devices, old, new, desktops, laptops, mobiles, tablets, you name it. The problem is not the devices, it is that W10 is now released under WaaS which means the policy is to keep it beta and exciting rather than stable and reliable. You need to understand the new paradigm and lower your expectations appropriately. You do not, however, need to be happy about it.

    Older devices at least get a choice. The poor 950 owners are stuck with W10. Older devices do not need to be updated, but you can if you want. The only people forced into it are the newbies and I feel for them.
    01-22-2016 07:52 AM
  7. slivy58's Avatar
    That stark lackluster OS attracted me to the platform and I continue to enjoy it. At this point I wouldn't recommend W10M to my dog so being left out of that "upgrade" path is fine with me.
    Was there once too but after 3+ years with only minuscule changes things have become very stale for me personally, W10M surely would help liven things up yet any IP builds I’ve tried have failed to deliver, neither my 1020 or 830 were very receptive which always resulted in a revert back to W8.1, so at this point an upgrade doesn't appear to be an option and acceptance is my only choice.
    01-22-2016 12:38 PM
  8. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    The whole thing about iPhone 4S receiving the updates is that "iPhone 4S is capable of running the OS". For Windows Mobile, I am sure that Lumia 1520 is capable of running Windows Mobile 10, but rest of the phones must not be upgraded.


    My Lumia 640 runs Windows 10 like a dream! I have had less issues then most people have with their 950s
    01-22-2016 03:51 PM
  9. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    In the US, Apple iPhones are offered on multiple cellular carriers (might be the same in other countries, but I don't know). If you want a new Windows phone handset in the US you have to be on AT&T at the moment, so not upgrading older devices really just pushes precious customers away.[/LIST]
    Been to a Cricket store lately? They have Windows Phones front and center in their phone lineup and they have 635 and 640 devices that you can try out on display! It's awesome!!

    Even their TV ads during the holiday season had the Lumia 635 in them as what they called a "Lightning fast 4G Windows phone"

    Last time I was in there the girl working told me that Windows phones are selling really well for Cricket and in most cases out selling Android and iOS devices. Is that just in my area or just at that store? I don't know, but it was still great to hear!
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    01-22-2016 04:35 PM
  10. TechFreak1's Avatar
    @Charles Brown8 : Agreed that they have posted a list of phones that will be updated but then my suggestion is they should not update those phones, as that will lead to more complaints from users. When people complain about the latest phones (950/950XL), then we can expect more complaints on older phones. The post on our forums are also evidence of people already complaining about the OS performance on older phones.
    The balance will always be skewed as people who are having issues will look for solutions and invariably will complain - it's a given.

    On the flipside people who experience no issues won't be looking for solutions as they have no reason therefore highly unlikely to provide any form of feedback.
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    01-22-2016 05:27 PM
  11. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Now this demand has changed to Windows Mobile on older phones. Does Microsoft really have to provide updates for older phones?
    Don't know but I don't have much use for a company that would not do something just because they don't have to.

    What's driving me away is a seemingly mad dash to the lowest common denominator. Lets not be exceptional. iOS or Android doesn't do something we do, so lets stop.
    01-22-2016 06:00 PM
  12. Rugish Dapeca's Avatar
    Should Microsoft be forced to provide an OS update for older phones? No, I don't think so. Forcing a company into providing a service like this for devices that do not have the minimum hardware required to support it would be ridiculous. Imagine if Apple was forced into providing their latest OS for an Apple ][+, or Microsoft to make Windows 10 available to run on an 8088 based PC. The limiting factor here is; can the hardware easily support the OS and can the OS easily support the hardware? Older phones that don't meet the minimum hardware requirements should not officially receive the updates. Adding legacy code to the OS to support that kind of older hardware just creates a bloated OS that will end up having more issues in the long run. Maintaining all those legacy kludges would be a serious waste of time.

    Having said that; should Microsoft allow older phones that do meet the minimum hardware requirements to run the OS a chance to upgrade at the user's discretion? Yes, I think they should. Most of the current Windows phones in use have enough RAM, on-board storage, CPU power to run the current OS. Obviously some features like Continuum will not run on the older phones due to hardware limitations. Other phones like the Lumia 520 don't have a built-in flash, but they can still use the camera app. The OS has been coded to handle things like this so far, and I don't think it's really much of a legacy kludge to do so.

    Where the future takes us is uncertain at this point. Will the phones of the near future have more internal memory and storage, faster CPUs, and generally more cool hardware in them? No question about it. And when those phones become the norm, and the OS grows to accommodate the hardware, I would expect the older phones of today like the Lumia x20 series to slowly slip below that minimum hardware requirement level and no longer be officially supported.

    Microsoft seems to have drawn the line in the sand about where they stand with the current hardware requirements. We've already heard that devices with only 4GB of internal storage or no fall-back ROM image will not get the OTA update. Does this mean those devices absolutely cannot be upgraded? Probably not, as many have already successfully done so by way of the Insider program. Should Microsoft be forced into making the OTA update available to those devices? No. But as long as the Insider program allows those devices to be updated at the users own risk, then there is a path for them to take if they decide to use it.
    Last edited by Rugish Dapeca; 01-22-2016 at 07:07 PM.
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    01-22-2016 06:39 PM
  13. Aziz Abdurachman's Avatar
    I feel they should not provide upgrade for older phones and only provide newer phones with new OS. I say this mostly because the older phones are not designed for newer OS and those who are requesting for newer OS on older phones will complain in the future that the OS is buggy without understanding that they have installed the OS on an older phone.
    I fully agree on this, I am Lumia 620 user and I join insider program but I never feel the W10M never work well on my device. I rather stay with WP8.1 on my Lumia 620, it's seems W10M the OS alone is too heavy to handle, I can't play games, unlocking screen give some delay but not too long in lastest build.
    01-22-2016 09:45 PM
  14. Jean Claude Lopez's Avatar
    Microsoft has always been nicer to their customers than Apple. Even if the OS does not run well, MS allows you to use WDRT to roll back. You can never expect that from Apple, because they will tell you to go **** yourself and buy a new iPhone
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    01-22-2016 10:03 PM
  15. FaisalST32's Avatar
    I'm a L730 owner and have been eagerly waiting for W10M. Given the recent reports of the OS being delayed until February, I don't want to wait. I'm planning on joining the Insider program to get the OS now. I just gave two questions. Should I join the Dast or Slow ring as I'm not too tolerant of the usual bugs? And should I hard reset my phone before I do so?
    P.S. Do the builds that are released to Slow ring have lesser number of bugs than the ones released to fast ring or are they just delayed without any further bug squashing?
    01-22-2016 10:43 PM
  16. ajayden's Avatar
    I'm a L730 owner and have been eagerly waiting for W10M. Given the recent reports of the OS being delayed until February, I don't want to wait. I'm planning on joining the Insider program to get the OS now. I just gave two questions. Should I join the Dast or Slow ring as I'm not too tolerant of the usual bugs? And should I hard reset my phone before I do so?
    P.S. Do the builds that are released to Slow ring have lesser number of bugs than the ones released to fast ring or are they just delayed without any further bug squashing?
    Yes you should hard reset before you upgrade to the insider build. You should join the slow ring if you wish have lesser bugs and better OS experience.
    01-22-2016 11:38 PM
  17. ajayden's Avatar
    Just a little bit of info to add to this thread.

    Only the following models were really designed & planned to be upgraded to Windows 10

    1) Lumia 735 - Nokia Lumia 735 - Full phone specifications

    2) Lumia 930 - Nokia Lumia 930 - Full phone specifications

    3) Lumia 1520 - Nokia Lumia 1520 - Full phone specifications

    Rest of the models were never planned to be upgraded.
    01-23-2016 12:22 AM
  18. FaisalST32's Avatar
    Yes you should hard reset before you upgrade to the insider build. You should join the slow ring if you wish have lesser bugs and better OS experience.
    Thanks. What build is the slow ring on currently?
    01-23-2016 12:23 AM
  19. ajayden's Avatar
    Thanks. What build is the slow ring on currently?
    You will be running 10586.29 or 10586.36 on slow ring.
    01-23-2016 01:54 AM
  20. FurY2007's Avatar
    Interesting thread, running WM10 on my L1020 without any issues at all, though it is noticeable at times that the hardware is lacking in comparison with newer phones I am enjoying WM10 much more than WP8 or 8.1. If I wouldn't be waiting for the 'surface' phone to see what it brings to the table I would have upgraded already to a 950XL.

    Should MS give customers the possibility to install WM10 for older phones? Heck yes, those who want to try are the ones able to roll back of things turn out not to work, and even if you're not experienced it isn't hard to do a roll back. Having the option to upgrade to WM10 is what makes (for me) MS stand out for their philosophy towards customer care.
    01-23-2016 02:48 AM
  21. Gaurav Tiwari's Avatar
    My phon is L 640xl upgradeable to W10. When w10 available for my phone?
    01-23-2016 03:27 AM
  22. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    My phon is L 640xl upgradeable to W10. When w10 available for my phone?
    when MS says it is ready
    01-23-2016 04:17 AM
  23. neo158's Avatar
    You might want to read the number of negative posts by users in the forum. That is what prompted me to think that older phones are not to be updated.
    That's because most people don't do the sensible thing of a factory reset when things stop working properly. Go watch the W10M device specific videos by Rich Woods from For the love of tech on YouTube and you'll see that the only device that struggles with running it is the Lumia 520.
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    01-23-2016 05:15 AM
  24. Greg Wenzler's Avatar
    Been to a Cricket store lately? They have Windows Phones front and center in their phone lineup and they have 635 and 640 devices that you can try out on display! It's awesome!!

    Even their TV ads during the holiday season had the Lumia 635 in them as what they called a "Lightning fast 4G Windows phone"

    Last time I was in there the girl working told me that Windows phones are selling really well for Cricket and in most cases out selling Android and iOS devices. Is that just in my area or just at that store? I don't know, but it was still great to hear!
    Well, Cricket is AT&T. AT&T owns them, and makes all the decisions with regards to what Cricket carries. It is kinda cool walking in their stores and at least seeing WP stuff. I put three family members (non-techies) on 635s there, and all are happy.

    I, however, am not happy. I bought a 640 on the day that Cricket released it (last April). Nice phone, pretty blue shell. An interesting piece of promotional material next to the display from Microsoft. Cool! Says my 640 gets a free upgrade to Windows 10, when available*. I look at the asterisk and it says *late summer 2015 release. I'm a happy camper.

    9 1/2 months later, no signs of W10M in sight. When Microsoft announced in December that it would not come until 2016 first qtr, I bailed and went to Android. That phone spent the equivalent of half it's life waiting for an upgrade that didn't come.

    THIS IS WHY W10M HAS TO BE RELEASED TO OLDER PHONES THAT HAVE THE HARDWARE TO HANDLE IT. Those of us that post here are the tiny, tiny minority. The bulk of WP users will say..."where is my shiny new operating system I was promised? NEVER AGAIN!" Microsoft will never, ever have a chance to sell those people another phone. They spent a lot of time pushing the low end stuff out the last two years, they cannot abandon those users they just recently brought into the fold.

    It's all a shame, cause WP had unlimited potential, and Microsoft continues to smack itself in the forehead and fritter it all away.
    01-23-2016 05:15 AM
  25. Chintan Gohel's Avatar

    The bulk of WP users will say..."where is my shiny new operating system I was promised? NEVER AGAIN!" Microsoft will never, ever have a chance to sell those people another phone. They spent a lot of time pushing the low end stuff out the last two years, they cannot abandon those users they just recently brought into the fold.

    It's all a shame, cause WP had unlimited potential, and Microsoft continues to smack itself in the forehead and fritter it all away.
    I beg to differ, the a good number (say 35% or more) don't even know that there is something called windows 10 mobile. And again for those that do know are primarily with the second phase of devices like 520, 1020, etc
    01-23-2016 05:23 AM
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