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  1. telomoyo's Avatar
    I like today's article... http://m.windowscentral.com/journali...ws-phone-stats . It gives a better picture of the state of Windows Mobile in comparison to IOs and Android.
    02-01-2016 12:33 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    I like today's article... The journalist's guide to reading tea leaves aka AdDuplex Windows Phone Stats | Windows Central . It gives a better picture of the state of Windows Mobile in comparison to IOs and Android.
    How so?
    02-01-2016 01:02 PM
  3. sevoman's Avatar
    Well, they just sold 40+% less phones this go around.
    The CEO said it's unsustainable.
    Mac marketshare is slowly increasing.

    Forget the phones, let's concentrate on the bread and butter of MS - Windows.
    2017- July: Global Operating system marketshare: Mac will have increased and Windows decreased. Calling it now.
    02-01-2016 01:04 PM
  4. telomoyo's Avatar
    How so?
    Most articles point to the 520 being 3 years old, and being the most popular Lumia. They use this as evidence to show how poor sales performance has been for Microsoft. They forget/omit to mention that the most popular Android and Apple phones are also 3 years old.
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    02-01-2016 01:41 PM
  5. pallentx's Avatar
    Well, they just sold 40+% less phones this go around.
    The CEO said it's unsustainable.
    Mac marketshare is slowly increasing.

    Forget the phones, let's concentrate on the bread and butter of MS - Windows.
    2017- July: Global Operating system marketshare: Mac will have increased and Windows decreased. Calling it now.
    I don't think its too far fetched to imagine that if Windows on mobile fails, Windows for consumers will slowly give way to Mac/iOS and android/chrome. I think Windows in business will shrink, but hold the line for a long time though.
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    02-01-2016 05:00 PM
  6. MadSci2's Avatar
    Its not the same situation as Palm

    <Facepalm>
    02-01-2016 05:29 PM
  7. kristjanga's Avatar
    Relax people.
    You are right Microsoft has alot of money, but why are they not marketing Windows 10 mobile? Well Windows 10 Mobile is not ready yet. Thats why, I can tell you that they are about to deliver cheaper good windows 10 models phones for the averige user, I have seen them and taken a look at them, yes those where prototypes but they are manufacturing them as we speak ,I can not tell you the name of the device but it has a 6 in it and apple wont like them, they looks awesome and do not look like they where build for proffessional work only but something hote girlfriend/wife would like alot , it is a 1gb phone with i averige but good cpu, BUT it looks awesome and is cheap. A price about 300$ as soon as they are ready with a complete line of nice hardeware and a OS that is ready, they will start marketing.
    p.s snapchat was mentioned at my meeting with Microsoft.
    Last edited by kristjanga; 02-01-2016 at 06:20 PM.
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    02-01-2016 06:06 PM
  8. Jonnie LasVegas's Avatar
    Relax people.
    You are right Microsoft has alot of money, but why are they not marketing Windows 10 mobile? Well Windows 10 Mobile is not ready yet. Thats why, I can tell you that they are about to deliver cheaper good windows 10 models phones for the averige user, I have seen them and taken a look at them, yes those where prototypes but they are manufacturing them as we speak ,I can not tell you the name of the device but it has a 6 in it and apple wont like them, they looks awesome and do not look like they where build for proffessional work only but something hote girlfriend/wife would like alot , it is a 1gb phone with i averige but good cpu, BUT it looks awesome and is cheap. A price about 300$ as soon as they are ready with a complete line of nice hardeware and a OS that is ready, they will start marketing.
    p.s snapchat was mentioned at my meeting with Microsoft.
    This is so fake it's laughable!
    02-01-2016 06:37 PM
  9. Jonnie LasVegas's Avatar
    Most articles point to the 520 being 3 years old, and being the most popular Lumia. They use this as evidence to show how poor sales performance has been for Microsoft. They forget/omit to mention that the most popular Android and Apple phones are also 3 years old.
    But they also don't have a huge decline in sales like Windows Phone. You forgot/omitted that part.
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    02-01-2016 06:39 PM
  10. telomoyo's Avatar
    Relax people.
    You are right Microsoft has alot of money, but why are they not marketing Windows 10 mobile? Well Windows 10 Mobile is not ready yet. Thats why, I can tell you that they are about to deliver cheaper good windows 10 models phones for the averige user, I have seen them and taken a look at them, yes those where prototypes but they are manufacturing them as we speak ,I can not tell you the name of the device but it has a 6 in it and apple wont like them, they looks awesome and do not look like they where build for proffessional work only but something hote girlfriend/wife would like alot , it is a 1gb phone with i averige but good cpu, BUT it looks awesome and is cheap. A price about 300$ as soon as they are ready with a complete line of nice hardeware and a OS that is ready, they will start marketing.
    p.s snapchat was mentioned at my meeting with Microsoft.
    What is the timeframe for this phone to come out? Do you work for Msft?
    02-01-2016 06:41 PM
  11. Rugish Dapeca's Avatar
    This so fake it's laughable!
    Since it was coming from someone with a post count of 1, I would tend to agree with you.
    02-01-2016 06:41 PM
  12. chmun77's Avatar
    I'm in the same boat.

    Like I said in another forum, sales were poor, as expected. When you don’t release any phones, don’t advertise, and spend more time developing for competing platforms than your own then yeah, you aren’t going to sell anything. MS continues to punch themselves in the face.

    With that said, who cares. Who cares if their marketshare is low? If WP/W10M only had 100K users, and they were happy and Microsoft continued to support it, then so what? If it only had .5% marketshare, so what? Why does something need to die just because certain tech writers or fanboys thinks it should. I want W10M and Blackberry to do well. Consumers are going to suffer if iOS and Android are the only two options.
    Who cares you said? Devs care! You think they are going to develop for a 0.5% market share platform? Do you think consumers will even consider of this pathetic platform if there is practically no apps available at all?

    "Consumers are going to suffer if iOS and Android are the only two options." No they are not! Do you know how interesting Android phones as compared to our latest 950 "flag ship"? Look at all the different capabilities of Android phones - working with stylus, second top screen information, easy note taking when screen is off, TV remote controller, etc etc.... Vast capabilities as compared to windows phones which the only good thing about is its camera, that's it. Continuum? It doesn't seems to gain any popularity at all sadly especially with the highly priced docking station. Also, Continuum works like a crippled RT version of Windows 8.

    iOS? Stable and battery friendly. Vast selections of apps that are well polished and update frequently. Static icons? Apparently that doesn't matter at all to the world except for WP fans are hating static icons and are so proud of their "live" tiles.

    So enough of all these "who care" attitude. We need to care in order for the platform to pick up speed. We need to screw MS and let them know when they are not making things right. Otherwise, this platform is really as good as dead.
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    02-01-2016 06:58 PM
  13. kristjanga's Avatar
    No I do not work for Microsoft. But I was in a special event in Iceland (whete Nokia "had" 80% market share and wp8 reached 20+%) where we where shown this device and you will see shorty this device we where shown, and why would I be making this up? I am just pointing it up that ms has bigger plan than just the 950 and 950 xl, and that marketing of Windows 10 Mobile will start when the hadware and operiting software is ready.
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    02-01-2016 07:09 PM
  14. theefman's Avatar
    Most articles point to the 520 being 3 years old, and being the most popular Lumia. They use this as evidence to show how poor sales performance has been for Microsoft. They forget/omit to mention that the most popular Android and Apple phones are also 3 years old.

    My impression was that it was the low sales and reduced marketshare that was driving the story but I guess this info was tacked on to make it even worse.
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    02-01-2016 07:27 PM
  15. telomoyo's Avatar
    My impression was that it was the low sales and reduced marketshare that was driving the story but I guess this info was tacked on to make it even worse.
    I agree with you on this.
    02-01-2016 08:05 PM
  16. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    Apple is selling iPads worth 300$ and an iPhone for 700+$ iPhone, both running the same OS.
    Do you really think people will think twice about wich hw runs wich os version?
    Next to that, Windows 10 and W10M builds are pretty close together. I must admit that a W10 updates not yet results in a W10M update but that is going to change probably this month as MS acknowledged the fact that L950(XL) and L550 are going to receive updates together with Windows 10 PC on patch tuesday as of February 2016. The only reason W10M is not released every time W10 is updated, is because the OS is not yet on the majority of the devices. That will change once W10M is rolled out to WP8.1 devices (also during February 2016)
    So we'll all have to wait and see about that.
    Yes apple mobile devices also running the same OS but they never address that to be a selling point and they keep their software exclusive to their devices and slightly different UX between types of devices yet somehow "link" to each other to build a full ecosystem(a little bit like the old MS "cloud first" concept). Now MS is in the other hand, keep selling this "one OS" conecpt and keep saying mobile market share droppping is OK, they don't care they have bigger plan than this. Do you think this two are sending the same message to the public?

    Plus I totally can't understand they knew they have to start over (WP8) when they release WP7, they knew they have to do further renovation when they release WP8 WHY COULD THEY STILL BEHIND THEIR SCHEDULE? Slow react to the market, slow develop pace. They are not showing they turly cared mobile market from the begining. The delay of W10M release due to slow adaption to old devices is totally BS again. MS made the game rule (of what hardware can be used) from WP7 era, there are just limit hardware combination compare to the PC world and they still can made up this nonsense. And people still covering this MS BS is just crazy.

    China never was a big WP8.1 player, Although they have users around the globe, QQ/WeChat is only targetting the China market.
    En plus, This friday Vaio (previously Sony) is going to show/release their W10M phone.
    And china market is the biggest single market in the world. According to IDC, china/US/india covered almost 50% of the global mobile market. MS failed in US, not a player in china and not sure how much they can sell rather than feature phones in india. From where they can climb back?
    02-01-2016 08:40 PM
  17. sevoman's Avatar
    I don't think its too far fetched to imagine that if Windows on mobile fails, Windows for consumers will slowly give way to Mac/iOS and android/chrome. I think Windows in business will shrink, but hold the line for a long time though.
    Agreed. Sateya said himself that MS is more keen on becoming a 'services' company rather than a device company. He said he wanted MS to be everywhere, regardless of which device you use. They have rolled out many excellent and top class iOS/Android apps, while the Windows Mobile equivalent of those apps pale in comparison and get less updates if any. They made a deal with Samsung to include MS pre-loaded apps on Galaxy phones (last year) and have updated office 2016 for Mac. Again, all this despite their mobile OS not really every becoming polished (I have 3 lumias, including the 950 so please no one say that Windows Mobile is polished).

    As far as Windows as a whole goes, it would take decades for it to fall below 50%, but the market share is definitely not going to stay above 90% in the next year or two. Mac has taken so many customers due to people's pleasure with iOS, and quite honestly people who go mac don't usually return to windows. Especially with the diverse windows hardware available, you really never know what you are gong to get, as each has a big flaw in design/performance in some area. Say what you will, but with Macs the overall experience will NEVER leave you saying "but the speaker sucks" or "but the keyboard sucks" or "but the keys are not backlit" or "too much bloatware" or "no drivers after update" or the screen sucks" or "it's heavy" ... etc etc etc... their machines are always all around good performers, never having one or two major points of skimping out for cost purposes. Widows OEMs make good stuff but there is a trust problem as they all have poor track records and if the device is truly all around good, then what it the support like? People have learned with apple that you pay a little more but you get peace of mind. I priced out an iMac and a Dell XPS 27 inch all in one.. and for the same price the iMac offering was more powerful and better quality and even had features that Dell doesn't offer. Wan't a powerful SurfaceBook, you pay more than you would for an equivalent Macbook Pro. At the higher end Apple's prices are not horrendous as some say they are. What makes Apple look bad/expensive is that they have no 'cheap' line of products so everything seems expensive. Never the less, If you want quality you pay for it, no matter who the manufacturer. If you want junk, then that will always be available and that's what will keep Windows afloat for decades to come. The junk consumer market.... you know, the laptops with 70% nice features and a crappy screen, or a nice screen and a crappy processor, or crappy speakers, or a horrible keyboard, or filled with bloatware.

    Google is ramping up for some sort of their own OS deployment, not just Chromebooks but mainstream desktop replacements with filing systems and native apps. I have an xps 13 from last year but mostly I just use my Chromebook, even when I travel. It really does literally 99% of what I need. If they added just a few more features to the OS (which they will), I can completely live without windows (or osx). It's going to happen, so MS is further going to lose market-share in their desktop/laptop arena. Poor performance and impending doom for Windows mobile is the LEAST of their worries.
    Last edited by sevoman; 02-01-2016 at 08:57 PM.
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    02-01-2016 08:47 PM
  18. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    But then I just get called a fanboy, discarded. I don't get it.
    I just kept this line in to have a concise format... But, I agree with this post to a severe degree.

    Having a preference that doesn't bring all the rich and pretty kids to your table, and not caring about that fact in the least, is a sign of a mature independent thought process. Every single mobile platform sucks in their own unique way, but they are also very good in other departments. Today it isn't a great season for Win 10 Mobile, and for many it may never be... But what the hell does that have to do with YOUR preferences?

    I'm not going to pretend Windows 10 Mobile hadn't hit the Rockies, but I'm not going to be without it even if I have to jump back and forth between software builds. I don't care what rich blondes spit in my face about with their politics and business jargon, and deep down they don't care if I don't care. These mobile wars are like High School drama, if you aren't past that point, you aren't past the age of eighteen in decision making skills.
    Last edited by ArtificiallyYours; 02-02-2016 at 01:19 AM.
    02-02-2016 12:50 AM
  19. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    It really is kinda fun to read all the gloom and doom post in the forums. They have been saying the Sky is falling for a long time, and that they are leaving Windows mobile and the end is coming. But it is still here, we are still here and most of them are still here posting that the Sky is falling and how bad it all is. I'm sure there are more Windows Mobile lovers out there than there is Haters, we just don't have anything to complain about. But by all means keep it up, better than the Sunday comics.
    02-02-2016 12:58 AM
  20. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Close this thread already

    My windows phone is alive and kicking
    Customer care centers are alive
    Windows 10 mobile is alive and growing and updating
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    02-02-2016 01:39 AM
  21. skhwoody2201's Avatar
    Sick of rubbish like this. I was always a believer in that if you talk something down enough, it will eventually do that. But in the case of Windows Phone this is not the case and even in preview form, this platform is giving me a better user experience than i have had with either ios or android.
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    02-02-2016 01:53 AM
  22. R3mis's Avatar
    Sick of rubbish like this. I was always a believer in that if you talk something down enough, it will eventually do that. But in the case of Windows Phone this is not the case and even in preview form, this platform is giving me a better user experience than i have had with either ios or android.
    You, sir, are right. Although I often complain about W10M, I still like it million times more than the other two "ships" "everyone" in these forums wants to jump to.

    If they stop making phones with Windows Mobile, and my 930 stops working, then I'm F'd. I'd rather buy a "dumb" phone with physical buttons and lose the smartphone experience than buy an Android device or an Apple product.
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    02-02-2016 02:04 AM
  23. skhwoody2201's Avatar
    Agreed. Sateya said himself that MS is more keen on becoming a 'services' company rather than a device company. He said he wanted MS to be everywhere, regardless of which device you use. They have rolled out many excellent and top class iOS/Android apps, while the Windows Mobile equivalent of those apps pale in comparison and get less updates if any. They made a deal with Samsung to include MS pre-loaded apps on Galaxy phones (last year) and have updated office 2016 for Mac. Again, all this despite their mobile OS not really every becoming polished (I have 3 lumias, including the 950 so please no one say that Windows Mobile is polished).

    As far as Windows as a whole goes, it would take decades for it to fall below 50%, but the market share is definitely not going to stay above 90% in the next year or two. Mac has taken so many customers due to people's pleasure with iOS, and quite honestly people who go mac don't usually return to windows. Especially with the diverse windows hardware available, you really never know what you are gong to get, as each has a big flaw in design/performance in some area. Say what you will, but with Macs the overall experience will NEVER leave you saying "but the speaker sucks" or "but the keyboard sucks" or "but the keys are not backlit" or "too much bloatware" or "no drivers after update" or the screen sucks" or "it's heavy" ... etc etc etc... their machines are always all around good performers, never having one or two major points of skimping out for cost purposes. Widows OEMs make good stuff but there is a trust problem as they all have poor track records and if the device is truly all around good, then what it the support like? People have learned with apple that you pay a little more but you get peace of mind. I priced out an iMac and a Dell XPS 27 inch all in one.. and for the same price the iMac offering was more powerful and better quality and even had features that Dell doesn't offer. Wan't a powerful SurfaceBook, you pay more than you would for an equivalent Macbook Pro. At the higher end Apple's prices are not horrendous as some say they are. What makes Apple look bad/expensive is that they have no 'cheap' line of products so everything seems expensive. Never the less, If you want quality you pay for it, no matter who the manufacturer. If you want junk, then that will always be available and that's what will keep Windows afloat for decades to come. The junk consumer market.... you know, the laptops with 70% nice features and a crappy screen, or a nice screen and a crappy processor, or crappy speakers, or a horrible keyboard, or filled with bloatware.

    Google is ramping up for some sort of their own OS deployment, not just Chromebooks but mainstream desktop replacements with filing systems and native apps. I have an xps 13 from last year but mostly I just use my Chromebook, even when I travel. It really does literally 99% of what I need. If they added just a few more features to the OS (which they will), I can completely live without windows (or osx). It's going to happen, so MS is further going to lose market-share in their desktop/laptop arena. Poor performance and impending doom for Windows mobile is the LEAST of their worries.
    There is so much i disagree with in this post, You would think this had been lifted out of a mac power magazine. My experience and of many friends of ios is poor and disappointing, and with android it was so full of bloat ware and unnecessary updates i moved on with trepidation i have to add to Windows Phone. The problem for microsoft is that apple users will purchase a polished turd, if an apple logo was slapped on it (take ipad pro for example) that sold in drives, even though it cannot hold a candle to the surface line, but the sheeple will buy anything.

    I believe that if Microsoft carry on this path, and develop WM10 and Windows 10 continuing to improve stability and usability it can only paint a rosy picture. I think apple and google see that there is a challenge there. And for the user we need many manufacturers to drive innovation. The fact many manufacturers are now picking up the mantle and making windows phones, even with an incomplete os is a good thing.

    Only this week you see apple showcasing moving images in photography, something i have had on my windows mobile for over 18mths. But apple will claim the innovation and many will believe them. It is all about the marketing and belief. And all the attacking of Windows 10 Mobile is great, as they are attacking a operating system which is not fully complete, but i believe they see as a threat to their dominance in the long run.

    I think anyone who actually uses a windows phone it will see what a great phone system this is, so much more flexible and less restrictive than the opposing companies efforts. I for one think this is a very exciting time for technology, and can only hope that people whichever side of the fence you sit will see that innovation and competition only pushes a drive for better products. Obviously Windows phones being the best.. ;)
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    02-02-2016 02:13 AM
  24. telomoyo's Avatar
    I like many points given here. Windows Mobile is definitely a great operating system. In some occasions, hate is a form of flattery. Going with something different than mainstream is not always a bad thing. If anything, it can be a good thing. We belong to a small group that have lived the thrill of not knowing if our phones will blow in our hands. Haha. J/k. This OS is improving, not aa fast as some wish, but it is improving nevertheless.
    02-02-2016 07:19 AM
  25. Daniel Daring's Avatar
    Here is where I see Windows Phone in the next few years.
    I see it as a strong business device (something they should have done with WP7).
    Windows Mobile from the early days all the way through WM6.5 was a powerful business device. It did lose some business marketshare to Iphone but not that much actually. It was never a great seller as a consumer device though.

    Move forward to WP7, it was released with no business or Enterprise features, leaving a huge hole in the market to allow Iphone (who ironically enough licensed exchange support, making it more business friendly that WP7). No current applications or tools from WM6.5 worked on the new device, there was no real benefit to upgrading.

    Move forward to Windows Phone 8. It started to add some business features, but still had a ways to go.
    Windows Phone 8.1, Added a ton of new business features, and some businesses started taking interest. Some actually have them deployed at the primary device.

    Windows 10 is clearly a WIP push to unify the Windows Environment and create 1 core. It is also gaining tons of new enterprise features and security.
    As this gets built out, businesses will take notice and it may actually become successful there.

    Here is why:
    1. Security is strong on 10 once finished (Bitlocker, no side loading, etc).
    2. Business (workplaces), this allows custom policies and configurations you could never do on Iphone and Android. This allows the work environment to give access to internal tools and resources without installing apps.
    3. Custom App store. Businesses can add their own app store, and due to universal apps can create an app for Desktop, Tablet and Phone in 1 go. The Business private store is separated from the personal store.
    4. Dual One Drive support. With a provisioned phone (workplaces), it is possible in Windows 10 to segregate business content and personal content between your personal One Drive and the Business One Drive.

    The ability to have a phone with Enterprise class security, custom stores, and access to provision the phone with group policies and segregate business and personal data, will be hugely attractive, and is something Iphone nor Android are doing at this time.

    Will the phone ever become a strong consumer device, that is unknown at this time. It may reach that point as more people have them for business, or it may remain primarily an enterprise phone.


    Personally the reason Windows Phone works great for me is exactly this.
    1. I use it for mail heavily. People talk about unified Inbox, and all these other features. Do you really want a Unified Inbox mixing business and personal mail? Top that off with the fact that you can pin individual mail folders to the Desktop to quickly see when you have important mail based on your Outlook Exchange Rules (something you cannot do on Android or IPhone).
    2. WorkPlace, I do use workplace to access internal resources from links in my mail (with full Office support this is awesome). I don't have to pull out my laptop to quickly see a slide deck or update a word/excel document and answer a mail on the go.
    3. Internal app store, this is great for getting apps I would not normally have on the go.
    4. Continuum, this is excellent for presentations. I can bring up the full slide deck for presentations, and still answer Skype for Business messages (related to the presentation) on the phone. This is a powerful feature.

    The list goes on, Windows Mobile 10 is and will become a powerful and useful Enterprise tool that also supports personal use in a segregated environment.
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    02-02-2016 09:12 AM
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