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  1. Krystianpants's Avatar
    02-05-2016 06:52 AM
  2. Eddie Mendoza's Avatar
    haha well played
    02-05-2016 07:15 AM
  3. adrian1338's Avatar
    haha - http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=GNdcP2cO

    Well at least he hardly wants information:
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    02-05-2016 07:17 AM
  4. tgp's Avatar
    Look at all the choice. http://i.imgur.com/dOF478R.png
    Look on the bright side: it increases the total number of apps available in the Store!
    02-05-2016 08:08 AM
  5. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Look on the bright side: it increases the total number of apps available in the Store!
    The worst part is each developer has more than 1 fake app. It's just hordes of fake apps. MS thinks people care about numbers so much that they will let anything through. I'm going to make an APP that displays a picture of a pickle and flood the store with different names. "Check a pickle, check.this.pickle, look.a.pickle" I bet it would get through.

    Either these are trolls doing it on purpose because of how easy it is, or these apps are stealing info with all the crazy permissions they ask. This is a huge problem and MS is just going to get to a point where the store can't be fixed anymore.
    02-05-2016 08:53 AM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    The worst part is each developer has more than 1 fake app. It's just hordes of fake apps. MS thinks people care about numbers so much that they will let anything through. I'm going to make an APP that displays a picture of a pickle and flood the store with different names. "Check a pickle, check.this.pickle, look.a.pickle" I bet it would get through.

    Either these are trolls doing it on purpose because of how easy it is, or these apps are stealing info with all the crazy permissions they ask. This is a huge problem and MS is just going to get to a point where the store can't be fixed anymore.
    I've read about the quandary Microsoft is in here. It is indeed of value to them to have large numbers in the Store, but to clean it up would be devastating to the numbers. Pick your poison.

    Google has had their share of issues with this too in the Play Store, but they've done a lot of cleaning over the last year or two, and it is much better now. Google has an advantage in that they don't have to play the numbers game like Microsoft does.

    Apple always has kept tight control of their Store. However, even though they do not have so many fake duplicates, reports are that half or more of the apps have never been downloaded. (Although this is probably true of all the Stores.) This means that the total number of 1.5 million (or whatever it is) apps may not be as valuable as it seems.

    In short, I think it is the consumers' fault that Microsoft has to inflate the numbers somehow, or even consider the total number of apps in the Store for the sake of the number. It is much more accurate to judge on what is actually there as far as good quality, useful, and popular apps. And admittedly, Microsoft's Store does fall short there. Personally, I'd be pleased if the App Stores had only 100 apps, with one obvious caveat: that they're the apps I want!
    02-05-2016 09:21 AM
  7. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    May I ask, where do you see all these fake apps? I'm a long time Ipaq, Windows Mobile, Windows phone user and have never seen this when I go to the store on my phones. It must be a web site that you access from a computer browser. I can't think of a reason that I would do that. I would think that the average everyday common person would visit the store on their phone. That is the easy way to download to the phone, right?

    I'm just puzzeled.

    Oh, yes, fake apps are bad and Microsoft should ban them.
    02-05-2016 09:49 AM
  8. smsmith1975's Avatar
    May I ask, where do you see all these fake apps?
    Search for Traffic Rider in the store. When the results show up, tap "Show All". Then you'll see the same in the image posted by the OP.
    02-05-2016 09:57 AM
  9. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    May I ask, where do you see all these fake apps? I'm a long time Ipaq, Windows Mobile, Windows phone user and have never seen this when I go to the store on my phones. It must be a web site that you access from a computer browser. I can't think of a reason that I would do that. I would think that the average everyday common person would visit the store on their phone. That is the easy way to download to the phone, right?

    I'm just puzzeled.

    Oh, yes, fake apps are bad and Microsoft should ban them.
    Seriously? Just open the store and search "traffic rider" and there are 41 "apps" and 27 "games" most of which are fakes. And this is just one example.
    Jazmac and Laura Knotek like this.
    02-05-2016 10:00 AM
  10. Manmikey's Avatar
    Wouldn't it be nice if someone employed by Microsoft and is responsible for mobile/ apps/ or whatever had the Balls to come on this thread and explain firstly why this is allowed to happen in the first place and secondly why they dont clean it up
    cincykid76 likes this.
    02-05-2016 10:24 AM
  11. anon(9538491)'s Avatar
    lmao, a couple of days ago I had reported an app which was being used to advertise the Android version of the app. There were about 5 apps with similar names (some ended with a comma others with a period, etc) despite writing in the report that there were 5 of those apps under different publishers (possibly fake publishers), they just deleted the one I had reported...
    02-05-2016 12:35 PM
  12. Ed Boland's Avatar
    For what it's worth, the "real" Traffic Rider is actually pretty cool on iOS (and I'm sure Android as well)
    02-05-2016 09:39 PM
  13. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    For what it's worth, the "real" Traffic Rider is actually pretty cool on iOS (and I'm sure Android as well)
    Is one of those in the Windows store the "real" one, or are they all fake?
    02-05-2016 09:49 PM
  14. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Seriously? Just open the store and search "traffic rider" and there are 41 "apps" and 27 "games" most of which are fakes. And this is just one example.
    Yah Seriously.
    ?
    So I went to the store (on my phone) and as you suggested, I searched for "traffic rider". The search only returned 24 total apps and only two actually had the name "traffic rider". One of them was "Traffic Rider" and the other was "TrafficRider@:" Nine of the others had either "Traffic" or "Rider" somewhere in the name. There was one "Crazy Traffic Rider Crash Cr". All the other search results had totally different names without either word, so must have been similar types of apps. The ratings for the 27 apps ranged from 0 to 16,000 and the stars ranged from 0 to 5.

    Is this what people are concerned about as not legitimate? All 27 were free, so no one would be cheated out of their money by accidently purchasing a fake "Traffic Rider" app.

    I was just trying to understand the "concern". I must say, I still don't see the problem. If I was looking for "Traffic Rider", I wouldn't be fooled by anything that I found except the one named "Traffic Rider". Is that your point, is that one fake? It only has 9 ratings and 4.5 stars.

    Where are you seeing all the other "Traffic Rider" apps?

    Just offering up another point of view.

    Best wishes.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 02-05-2016 at 10:38 PM.
    02-05-2016 10:14 PM
  15. anon(9538491)'s Avatar
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    I think this already serves great concern. And the fact that they are free doesn't serve as an excuse to mislead users IMO.

    Btw, if you download and install most of those, it will show you a webpage (youtube) to a video of the game, not the game itself (misleading)
    02-05-2016 10:55 PM
  16. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    haha - http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=tyXDj4wH

    Well at least he hardly wants information:
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    Use your device network services
    Use your music
    Use the media items that are currently playing
    Use any of your Windows Phone sensors
    Access your browser
    Use an anonymous Microsoft account
    Use information about your device
    Use your location
    Use the photos in your media library
    Use your phone
    Use data stored on an external storage device
    Might as well have thrown in accounts whose names are Social Security Numbers and a means of selling your soul for in-game tokens.
    02-06-2016 03:21 AM
  17. neo158's Avatar
    I would rather have quality over quantity. What I mean by this is have a smaller selection of apps from legitimate developers than thousands of fakes and rip offs trying to cash in on a popular app on other platforms.
    02-06-2016 08:04 AM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    I would rather have quality over quantity. What I mean by this is have a smaller selection of apps from legitimate developers than thousands of fakes and rip offs trying to cash in on a popular app on other platforms.
    Yes, and so would everybody else. The issue we have is that people tend to look at the overall number of apps available. I do not know how many apps the Windows Store claims to have, or how many of them are fake, but let's assume that if Microsoft was to do some house cleaning, half of the apps would be gone. So, instead of 600,000 apps, we now have 300,000. Even 600K isn't a lot by today's standards, but it sure sounds better than 300K.

    Someone from the "other side" considering WP might say, "600,000 apps? That's half what iOS/Android have, but a lot of theirs are garbage anyway. I can probably find what I need." As opposed to "300K? A quarter of the apps? There's no way that's gonna work!"
    02-06-2016 08:34 AM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Yes, and so would everybody else. The issue we have is that people tend to look at the overall number of apps available. I do not know how many apps the Windows Store claims to have, or how many of them are fake, but let's assume that if Microsoft was to do some house cleaning, half of the apps would be gone. So, instead of 600,000 apps, we now have 300,000. Even 600K isn't a lot by today's standards, but it sure sounds better than 300K.

    Someone from the "other side" considering WP might say, "600,000 apps? That's half what iOS/Android have, but a lot of theirs are garbage anyway. I can probably find what I need." As opposed to "300K? A quarter of the apps? There's no way that's gonna work!"
    It's all in your advertising. MS could say "we have 100,000 quality apps. We screen so fakes and other useless apps do not get in your way of your experience, a bllion apps means nothing when they cause grievance for users".

    Honestly advertising a clean app store would still be good. Every user knows that android/ios don't exactly have 1 billion quality apps. Most users look for very specific apps when considering platform change. 600,000 doesn't matter to them, they want to know are the apps they use there, and they aren't. It's all fluff.
    02-06-2016 09:51 AM
  20. Paisley Pirate's Avatar
    Every time I hear the phrase "app gap" - I point the person who says it to this (now old) article.

    Almost a million fake apps are targeting your phone | Computerworld

    This is the reality of the "app gap" - are there apps from some companies not available on some phones? Sure. That said, there are a lot of really bad apps not available on some phones too...

    And with the advent of better browsing tech, the web based site apps for many places is better than an installed app anyway...
    02-06-2016 10:23 AM
  21. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Every time I hear the phrase "app gap" - I point the person who says it to this (now old) article.

    Almost a million fake apps are targeting your phone | Computerworld

    This is the reality of the "app gap" - are there apps from some companies not available on some phones? Sure. That said, there are a lot of really bad apps not available on some phones too...

    And with the advent of better browsing tech, the web based site apps for many places is better than an installed app anyway...
    You know your thread gave me an idea for some feedback. I was just thinking how I prefer apps because I hate switching through tabs (especially since edge isn't really great for this), but the task switcher is great. So I figure edge should have a cool feature you can enable that will put all your tabs into the task switcher.

    But I prefer apps to be built as apps and not webpages. It's usually much easier to dish out exploits through browsers. Whether it's a website that was hacked or anything like that. With the app you just have this contained code that talks directly to the servers. So while it can be done it would be more work no doubt. Although web wrappers could be susceptible to the same thing.

    And also the UI is usually much better on well made apps. Likely better memory management too. More optimized for the OS. I don't think the future is back to the web. I think the future is to have tools that allow apps to be built once and work on any platform. I think this is one thing that MS also envisions, and that's why they are focusing so hard on visual Studio. The idea is that there should be no language barriers when developing for platforms. And of course when I say language barriers I do mean programming languages. A developer shouldn't be counted out of developing apps for a bunch of platforms just because he learned a different language. And if they are really good in that language they may make a much better app than if they were to try to learn a new language all together just to get on a platform.

    The newer generation is used to apps. They love apps. You are more likely to get a sale with an app than some sort of web subscription. (Statistics totally made up by me, but feel free to spread it on twitter).
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    02-06-2016 04:52 PM
  22. Jazmac's Avatar
    May I ask, where do you see all these fake apps? I'm a long time Ipaq, Windows Mobile, Windows phone user and have never seen this when I go to the store on my phones. It must be a web site that you access from a computer browser. I can't think of a reason that I would do that. I would think that the average everyday common person would visit the store on their phone. That is the easy way to download to the phone, right?

    I'm just puzzeled.

    Oh, yes, fake apps are bad and Microsoft should ban them.
    Head to the store and search for the game Lifeline. It should be created by Dave Justice. If you don't see it, it is because MS finally responded to my complaint about the fake (paid) app. But several versions of that were in the store.
    Last edited by Jazmac; 02-06-2016 at 06:41 PM.
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    02-06-2016 06:12 PM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    Head to the store and search for the game Lifeline. It should be created by Dave Justice. If you don't see it, it is because MS finally responded to my complaint about the fake (paid) app. But several versions of that were in the store.
    Microsoft and the spammers, right here:

    kitty-whack-mole1.jpg
    02-06-2016 09:50 PM
  24. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Every time I hear the phrase "app gap" - I point the person who says it to this (now old) article.

    Almost a million fake apps are targeting your phone | Computerworld

    This is the reality of the "app gap" - are there apps from some companies not available on some phones? Sure. That said, there are a lot of really bad apps not available on some phones too...

    And with the advent of better browsing tech, the web based site apps for many places is better than an installed app anyway...
    This article is about fake apps on google android.
    02-06-2016 11:10 PM
  25. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Head to the store and search for the game Lifeline. It should be created by Dave Justice. If you don't see it, it is because MS finally responded to my complaint about the fake (paid) app. But several versions of that were in the store.
    I did as you suggested and I found one app called "Lifeline..." with three dots. It wasn't by Dave Justice and it cost 99 cents. It also had no stars and no ratings at all.
    This must be a fake app? I don't think it would fool me, but I agree if it is fake, it should not be in the store.
    Jazmac likes this.
    02-06-2016 11:23 PM
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