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  1. 11B1P's Avatar
    You obviously don't work for the government, that made too much sense, lol.
    03-21-2016 11:43 PM
  2. windobuddies625's Avatar
    Attachment 124084

    This is what it says now..:\
    When you check for Lumia 1320 support?
    03-22-2016 12:54 AM
  3. seed dede's Avatar
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    03-22-2016 01:22 AM
  4. Mark Turner Images's Avatar
    My 950 has been running beautifully since I got it. Wish my 1320 was on the list though.
    03-22-2016 01:49 AM
  5. Agil Ristiyanto's Avatar
    I will keep my 1020 on the .164 build but disappointed no further support.
    do the same, on my L1020, L925
    03-22-2016 02:17 AM
  6. Guytronic's Avatar
    do the same, on my L1020, L925
    I have both of these and won't bother with WM10 on either one anymore since I have the Alcatel One Touch Fierce XL which is a W10 phone.

    I'm almost sure everyone with unsupported devices will eventually move up or discontinue using W10 on older phones when the glitches pop up continually.
    The best support of the Windows platform would be to grab a better 4 core phone in my opinion.

    Why torture yourself with ancient hardware on a shaky experimental OS update.
    The smart ones will give in and move up.

    Face it Nokia on Windows Phone 8 was king yet those days are gone.
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    03-22-2016 02:43 AM
  7. akshaypn's Avatar
    WM 10 insider build killed my 1320 ,so I got rid of it and I never intended to upgrade my 1020 ,so it will be on 8.1 forever...I am happy with my Android and 1020 on 8.1 ..didn't like and don't want any WM 10 device anymore..

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    03-22-2016 03:25 AM
  8. Emanuel Manole's Avatar
    When you check for Lumia 1320 support?
    When i check for Lumia 1320 support, i see the information needed. But why is the denim availability page deleted?
    03-22-2016 03:36 AM
  9. FranOz's Avatar
    Although I feel abandoned, I think I have thought a proper solution for everybody. My proposal is that everybody ask for a decent discount to Microsoft in order to buy a new Windows 10 phone. If you have a non upgradatable model, they should compensate you with certain amount of discount because they promised us that our phone would was in the list. If you are a Windows insider (I'm not), they should compensate you even with a higher amount of discount, because you have been compromised with Microsoft for free and they have been saving lots of money not paying to professional betatesters. Doing so, I think most of us will be happy again with Microsoft.
    Does anybody here thinks that this could be a good solution?
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    03-22-2016 03:56 AM
  10. Emanuel Manole's Avatar
    Although I feel abandoned, I think I have thought a proper solution for everybody. My proposal is that everybody ask for a decent discount to Microsoft in order to buy a new Windows 10 phone. If you have a non upgradatable model, they should compensate you with certain amount of discount because they promised us that our phone would was in the list. If you are a Windows insider (I'm not), they should compensate you even with a higher amount of discount, because you have been compromised with Microsoft for free and they have been saving lots of money not paying to professional betatesters. Doing so, I think most of us will be happy again with Microsoft.
    Does anybody here thinks that this could be a good solution?
    Yeah but microsoft wouldn't do that..what about a petition ? For at least keep us in the insider program ,or for microsoft to reavaluate the unsuported devices.
    03-22-2016 03:58 AM
  11. Guytronic's Avatar
    Although I feel abandoned, I think I have thought a proper solution for everybody. My proposal is that everybody ask for a decent discount to Microsoft in order to buy a new Windows 10 phone. If you have a non upgradatable model, they should compensate you with certain amount of discount because they promised us that our phone would was in the list. If you are a Windows insider (I'm not), they should compensate you even with a higher amount of discount, because you have been compromised with Microsoft for free and they have been saving lots of money not paying to professional betatesters. Doing so, I think most of us will be happy again with Microsoft.
    Does anybody here thinks that this could be a good solution?
    No
    Simply not the way things work.
    These phones were viable for many satisfied users for a worthy period of time.
    There's no warranty for alleged promises considered as broken.
    n m and techiez like this.
    03-22-2016 04:03 AM
  12. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Although I feel abandoned, I think I have thought a proper solution for everybody. My proposal is that everybody ask for a decent discount to Microsoft in order to buy a new Windows 10 phone. If you have a non upgradatable model, they should compensate you with certain amount of discount because they promised us that our phone would was in the list. If you are a Windows insider (I'm not), they should compensate you even with a higher amount of discount, because you have been compromised with Microsoft for free and they have been saving lots of money not paying to professional betatesters. Doing so, I think most of us will be happy again with Microsoft.
    Does anybody here thinks that this could be a good solution?
    There's a clear wrote sentence in Microsoft declarations, a standard for all OEM in warranty scripts
    03-22-2016 05:08 AM
  13. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Lt1200lt, Your point is exactly why ms doesn't want to be in phone market. No one working in phone stores will ever recommend it. But you go to pc section of best buy and ms is what they recommend. So if the "phone" is sold as a pc in the pc area, it will be recommended. And that's how it will slowly gain recognition. You have to position yourself in a market you're already known in. But change that market to something new. Then others will catch on. People in the area will become curious if phones are on display acting like pc's. And pc manufacturers like hp/lenovo and dell will jump on it. But ms needs to perfect it instead of focusing on existing phones. It sucks' but they can't afford more time. Google already had windowed mode working in android N. They have a huge market share too. If they beat ms to it, ms will never compete.
    03-22-2016 05:10 AM
  14. Krystianpants's Avatar
    This is what MS should have lead with. Can never or will ever understand why announce anything now and a year later either release it or partially so. What they should have done is to say W10M will be released to as many devices as possible to give the best experience towards your upgrade and we will be monitoring through our insider programs which devices give the most issues and will decide on the next step forward based on user reviews. With this in mind it's our main interest to have all on W10M with best experience possible, so look forward to some currently in use devices to not being able to get the update due to hardware limitations. We do hope for your understanding and accept you will move forward with us to make this OS the best it can be.

    Now if anyone at MS had the intelligence for dummies handbook that would have been a statement or something close to it released to the public on w10m announcement LAST YEAR.

    What that would've done is to have consumers waiting with expectation to see their devices on the list and in the mean time accept to start looking for that upgrade device in case their current device isn't on the list. Then when the list is released those on it = happy/satisfied, those not on it = disappointed, but know which device they're going to upgrade to get on the w10m platform.
    I agree, but they bit off more than they can chew. They believed they could do it in a timely fashion. But instead took bad pr for postponing the release.
    03-22-2016 05:17 AM
  15. n m's Avatar
    No one should really be pissed, MS has thrown every generation of phone users under a bus, this is situation normal.
    Having said that, I love 8.1 on my 925 and have no thoughts of changing.
    03-22-2016 05:45 AM
  16. Joshua Mendes's Avatar
    Not being a case of sour grapes, but WM10 even though was a decent daily driver on my Lumia 720, its still better to run 8.1 with the best feature being the camera quality of 8.1. Even though the features and looks of 10 are better than 8.1 the camera picture qualities of 8.1 is worth not upgrading to 10.
    03-22-2016 05:59 AM
  17. jorgeservin91's Avatar
    Hi everyone! Well... A few days ago my Lumia 920 was discharging like crazy. One night it went from 100% to 20% in 6 hours when I was sleeping. Then the news about it not getting the update combined with the dying battery problem made me look for a replacement.

    The 950 & 950 XL are not available in Paraguay. Every time I ask for it, everybody tells me they don't have any info.

    Then, I decided that a 930 might be a good replacement, so I started to look for one. I couldn't find anyone! I told myself "this can't be happening!".

    I am a Microsoft fan, and I used to be a Nokia fan. I know that my phone is old and needs to be replaced if I want to enjoy Windows 10 Mobile "officially". But Microsoft's not giving me any choice but to replace my battery if I can find one, and stay like this. A 640 is the newest thing I can find and it is not an option. I want a flagship phone to replace my ex-flagship phone! Not a mid-range that already got a successor that is not available yet.

    I won't go Android. I'd rather stay with a feature phone than giving my information and tie my life to Google. iOS is the only route for me if I had to switch, but an iPhone is too expensive for the hardware it has, and its quick model update pace is going to devaluate that.

    PS: Apple has a functioning iTunes Store (and a proper sales & support representative), while Microsoft can't even offer me a Groove Pass, or Bing, or various features restricted to the US and other more important countries. It's hard to be a Microsoft fan. :(
    03-22-2016 06:11 AM
  18. windobuddies625's Avatar
    When i check for Lumia 1320 support, i see the information needed. But why is the denim availability page deleted?
    No idea.. Gonna wait a few weeks and see what's gonna be new after they "officially" announced windows 10.
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    03-22-2016 06:53 AM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I wonder if it's because 930 and such use krait architecture which is 32-bit only. And I know MS wants redstone to go 64-bit. Maybe they only want to support 64-bit. Could be that minimum requirements are:

    CPU: 64-bit
    Storage: 8gigs, but maybe more haven't looked at the specs for all phones rejected.
    Ram: 1 gig
    03-22-2016 07:53 AM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Hi everyone! Well... A few days ago my Lumia 920 was discharging like crazy. One night it went from 100% to 20% in 6 hours when I was sleeping. Then the news about it not getting the update combined with the dying battery problem made me look for a replacement.

    The 950 & 950 XL are not available in Paraguay. Every time I ask for it, everybody tells me they don't have any info.

    Then, I decided that a 930 might be a good replacement, so I started to look for one. I couldn't find anyone! I told myself "this can't be happening!".

    I am a Microsoft fan, and I used to be a Nokia fan. I know that my phone is old and needs to be replaced if I want to enjoy Windows 10 Mobile "officially". But Microsoft's not giving me any choice but to replace my battery if I can find one, and stay like this. A 640 is the newest thing I can find and it is not an option. I want a flagship phone to replace my ex-flagship phone! Not a mid-range that already got a successor that is not available yet.

    I won't go Android. I'd rather stay with a feature phone than giving my information and tie my life to Google. iOS is the only route for me if I had to switch, but an iPhone is too expensive for the hardware it has, and its quick model update pace is going to devaluate that.

    PS: Apple has a functioning iTunes Store (and a proper sales & support representative), while Microsoft can't even offer me a Groove Pass, or Bing, or various features restricted to the US and other more important countries. It's hard to be a Microsoft fan. :(
    It could be licensing or anything else. Android OEMs also never do world wide. Apple is the only one that does.

    But yah I get Cortana being region based, but the store should be global. Only make pricing region based. It's not like when I use Steam the games have different ratings and comments based on what region i'm in. The store just shows the correct currency/price.

    And if an app is made in English and therefore people in paraguay can't get it, it should be easily rectified by having a button nearby to install a supported language pack. You can install English for example, but it shouldn't matter if it's default, the app should just use it if it's there.

    If MS can't sell it in Paraguay because of some restriction, then they should just have a message clearly stating restriction. It would educate consumers rather than confusing them.
    03-22-2016 07:59 AM
  21. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    Look at Apple. Their users buy new stuff all the time. Their sales always surpass previous sales because the user base is willing to move with technology and use their money to do it.
    The thing is, you can take iPhone 5 as an example. It came to the market a bit earlier than the first gen WP8 devices (late 2012). It came with iOS6 and all the way to present day (2016) it was covered by the newest version of OS. It also received big updates every year with small patches during each year, new feature and fine-tuning are throwing into these devices(Airdrop in iOS7, widget in iOS8, always listening siri under power plugged-in in iOS9). The UX are slowly but surely improved. The stable API provide stable APP support even you stay in a rather old OS version.

    The evolution in WP8 in rather slow, most of the things are function patching and hotfix. Then switching to UWP are killing the already small app ecosystem. Not to mention they are not delivering what they promised, most of us asking for update support are just don't want to be cut loose like wp7.5 days, for me if MSFT release a patch for WP8.1 adapting UWP I'll happily take it and use my phone till I want to change it.

    That's the point I cared of.
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    03-22-2016 08:21 AM
  22. Stef8600's Avatar
    If they keep doing same mistakes again and again, i guess only MS will be left in their own battleground to battle with themselves while the world has already moved on. There were already less users hence less developers and hence less OEMs. Now MS has shooed away over half of the users and want more developers and OEMs to come? Redstone may be greater than great but if there is no one left, what MS gona do. If most users have lost faith and world has watched the whole flop show, how many will be intersted in WP in near future? And one more thing, by the time redstone arrives (ofcourse as finished, polished product), where will the android and iOS be? MS will be struggling to get wide user base with few developers and OEMs while android and iOS will be at such a different level. Also if redstone is again different that W10 codes, no developer will be interested to change their app one more time.
    There were less OEM's because Nokia took the biggest piece of the cake.
    That is the reason why MS decided to manufacture less phones theirselfes, by doing so they create more room for OEM's.
    Redstone is not more than new features being added, so Redstone will not break W10 UWP apps at all! Redstone is not a new OS as there was had WP7 -> WP8!
    03-22-2016 08:32 AM
  23. Krystianpants's Avatar
    The thing is, you can take iPhone 5 as an example. It came to the market a bit earlier than the first gen WP8 devices (late 2012). It came with iOS6 and all the way to present day (2016) it was covered by the newest version of OS. It also received big updates every year with small patches during each year, new feature and fine-tuning are throwing into these devices(Airdrop in iOS7, widget in iOS8, always listening siri under power plugged-in in iOS9). The UX are slowly but surely improved. The stable API provide stable APP support even you stay in a rather old OS version.

    The evolution in WP8 in rather slow, most of the things are function patching and hotfix. Then switching to UWP are killing the already small app ecosystem. Not to mention they are not delivering what they promised, most of us asking for update support are just don't want to be cut loose like wp7.5 days, for me if MSFT release a patch for WP8.1 adapting UWP I'll happily take it and use my phone till I want to change it.

    That's the point I cared of.
    As someone who has Apple products as well. IOS may get updated but performance takes a huge hit as a result. And you can't compare Apple who controls the hardware and software and has built in support from the start. W10M was just trying to build in support. So they are starting from scratch while Apple is just enhancing. And apple hardware is always top of the line as well. So even older Iphone 5 has great hardware still. While Nokia created all these budget phones that are severely under spec'd.

    But anyone would tell you that if something is being built for the future, the future will always take priority. The current hardware and upcoming hardware. You can't release new phones like the lumia 950/xl and then put so much effort into other phones that are old. You need to put more effort for the new stuff.

    I get the people feeling left out. I am, however, trying to view this from a business perspective and impact on the future of the business.

    What would have been the best thing MS could have done? Not support all that hardware from the START. and explain to people that this is being built for newer phones. Only these models will be supported. Don't even try with the others. Focus on your new flagships 950/950xl and release those in an extremely optimized manner. And then maybe reviews wouldn't have been so bad. Then after releasing the 950/950xl start focusing on the other hardware you want to update. I feel there was disorganization no doubt.

    They did provide unnecessary hope. And the best thing to do is a Trade-in program. Honestly, even if they give discounts the loss for them would be recouped with more device sales. As well as keeping people on windows 10 platform. It's a no brainer.
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    03-22-2016 08:44 AM
  24. ADJETEY's Avatar
    oh!!! Microsoft why? please allow 1the 1320
    oh!!! Microsoft why? please allow the 1320!!!!
    oh!!! Microsoft why? please allow the 1320!!!!oh!!!
    oh!!! Microsoft why? please allow the 1320!!!!
    03-22-2016 09:10 AM
  25. AdamInTx's Avatar
    As someone who has Apple products as well. IOS may get updated but performance takes a huge hit as a result. And you can't compare Apple who controls the hardware and software and has built in support from the start. W10M was just trying to build in support. So they are starting from scratch while Apple is just enhancing. And apple hardware is always top of the line as well. So even older Iphone 5 has great hardware still. While Nokia created all these budget phones that are severely under spec'd.
    Another thing to point out is that while the older phones are getting updates they are not getting the full updates. The older phones actually get a watered down version of the new OS that leaves out any of the features their older phones can't handle. To relate it to WP, their older iPhone got 7.8 but apple called it 8.0. Its a trick that makes people with the older phones think they have the latest and greatest but in reality they are just getting a partial update with the full name.
    03-22-2016 10:12 AM
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