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  1. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    Owning an 820, phone that's been launched over 3 years ago, and still receiving updates... i cannot complain. With Insiders i even got Win10M, so i even get new features. Overall for such a old phone, gotten a few major updates, still getting patches on win8.1 and now via insiders still getting (onofficial) perfectly working updates, i'm totally happy with that!

    For the future i prefer Microsoft focusing on getting win10 to work on modern hardware, getting it perfect, and attacking the current market, than supporting the few last owners of old phones. As long as they keep bringing security patches to all the x20 phones, they 've delivered more than reasonable support for the phones.
    Well said! Very reasonable and rational thought and feeling. I have hope again for the human race. For awhile there I thought nothing mattered to anyone but not getting win10 and their cells were the only thing worth living for.
    03-22-2016 05:40 PM
  2. k12000lt's Avatar
    Lt1200lt, Your point is exactly why ms doesn't want to be in phone market. No one working in phone stores will ever recommend it. But you go to pc section of best buy and ms is what they recommend. So if the "phone" is sold as a pc in the pc area, it will be recommended. And that's how it will slowly gain recognition. You have to position yourself in a market you're already known in. But change that market to something new. Then others will catch on. People in the area will become curious if phones are on display acting like pc's. And pc manufacturers like hp/lenovo and dell will jump on it. But ms needs to perfect it instead of focusing on existing phones. It sucks' but they can't afford more time. Google already had windowed mode working in android N. They have a huge market share too. If they beat ms to it, ms will never compete.
    Absolutely. What I hate is, they had a good start with WP8. But they left it half and started a fresh with WP8.1. Now again they left WP8.1 half and introduced W10. Again as per you and some other, they want to switch focus to to PC, netbooks and 2 in 1, redstone etc. If they keep doing the same, nothing will be conststant for any user. The system it self will be so fragmented, MS will never be able to provide for all flawlessly. And now android is already there on pads and 2 in 1s. I wonder why MS released outdated hardware in new phones when others were far ahead and now say it's old? As with W10 for PC, again they have introduced something like forced updates. It's there for mobiles too. If in home (after W10 on every device strategy), there are 4-5 W10 devices, each is getting forced update, how much bandwidth will be left for users? For most of the world where data (WiFi and 3G)is costly, it's a lot of burden to bear. I have 4 W10 PCs and laptops and they consume hell lot of a data every month that to for updates like .net etc. Again this is another extreme. What update we want should be out choice. They may make it available or not, its us who would decide to get it not. I do not know where its going to take us as well as MS.
    03-22-2016 08:08 PM
  3. aswinh's Avatar
    My lumia 520 is currently running redstone build 14297 quite happily, so it's fine, just do a registry hack to continue to get new insider builds;-)
    03-22-2016 08:59 PM
  4. Sankar Raman's Avatar
    Mine is Microsoft Lumia 540, It has Qualcomm Snapdragon 200 and 1GB of RAM. Compared to 10586.164 Insider build, this stable release is more stable, Camera is fixed, and graphics rendering is better compared to 10586.164. Still Music navigation using lock screen floating window is not yet fixed. Still flickering of title when track changes exist.

    Rest all, good to go for daily driver!!!!

    $hankY
    03-22-2016 09:01 PM
  5. Sheratan's Avatar
    But this is MS ...

    Tell me now at least one reason (expect release date) why sanpdragon S200 (2core lowend at launch time) can get W10M and Snapdragon S4 plus (2 core highend at launch time) which is outperforming S200 can not...

    I understand they wont give us possibility to upgrade because they demand from us to buy new HW ez as duck
    Pentium 4 EE (High-end in 2004) vs Pentium G2030 (low-end 2013), which one do you choose?
    03-22-2016 09:08 PM
  6. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    apple hardware is always top of the line as well. So even older Iphone 5 has great hardware still. While Nokia created all these budget phones that are severely under spec'd.
    I agreed most part from your post but just a quick reminder, the MSRP of iPhone 5/Lumia 920 are not far away from each other. They are both selling at flagship price so if they choose to use less capable hardware to increase profit then I think it's a bit unfair for the users to swallow the "performance issue" excuse especially when there's less capable but newer device (lumia 430/435) were officially supported by w10m.

    I think by suggesting the outsider (old, unsupported WP8 user) into insider is a bit lose-lose situation for the user : they have to choose between rather stable OS but no app support or future app support in a rather unstable OS with no help from the company. We insider are aware the risk and choose to join but give this as the only option to the rest is just....meh.

    --
    I'm actually using a hack ATIV S to get the newest redstone build and it worked ok, some crash yes but I can see it's potential even in a hack device (not optimized OS, not optimized firmware) so I really think it's possible to give a ok version to all WP8.1/1GB device and cover them with UWP support.
    03-22-2016 09:21 PM
  7. Siyabonga Bhengu's Avatar
    hey aswinh...how does one do the hack...?
    03-23-2016 01:12 AM
  8. seed dede's Avatar
    there will be (3rd-party) apps support & security updates for wp8.1 after 11 july 2017?
    03-23-2016 01:17 AM
  9. Nikhil Meher's Avatar
    i own a 3 year old L820, and with the support i received i can't complain or expect anything more, BUT i was hoping for a w10 for my phone too. maybe its just time to move on to a newer phone now, but i was also waiting for one plue 3 (if it supports windows OS) or nokia C1.
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    03-23-2016 03:04 AM
  10. Gaurav29Sharma's Avatar
    this is the big problem, Not only 3rd party bt Microsoft's app too wont get support.
    03-23-2016 05:14 AM
  11. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    03-23-2016 05:23 AM
  12. Vasrias's Avatar
    hey aswinh...how does one do the hack...?
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...tm#post3440347
    03-23-2016 05:29 AM
  13. Emanuel Manole's Avatar
    No idea.. Gonna wait a few weeks and see what's gonna be new after they "officially" announced windows 10.
    I will wait till a very stable build is released.
    03-23-2016 05:58 AM
  14. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    I will wait till a very stable build is released.
    Let's hope in 10586.200
    Emanuel Manole likes this.
    03-23-2016 06:33 AM
  15. sniem's Avatar
    I fully understand and appreciate the decision not to update devices with 512 MB RAM only. They tried and it failed. From the experience with my mother's Lumia 520 with Win10 Insider (when they were available for that device) was simply a horrendous. Lags, reboots, freezes and at the end even no way back to 8.1 as the device recovery tool stopped working on my laptop with the latest Windows 10 Insider builds (latest update hasn't fixed that). So atm she's stuck with a nearly unusable phone and is keen to switch to an iPhone. Yes, this is a true story. As she's not happy at all with the user experience and sees how I use my iPhone she wants to do the move.
    03-23-2016 06:55 AM
  16. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    I fully understand and appreciate the decision not to update devices with 512 MB RAM only. They tried and it failed. From the experience with my mother's Lumia 520 with Win10 Insider (when they were available for that device) was simply a horrendous. Lags, reboots, freezes and at the end even no way back to 8.1 as the device recovery tool stopped working on my laptop with the latest Windows 10 Insider builds (latest update hasn't fixed that). So atm she's stuck with a nearly unusable phone and is keen to switch to an iPhone. Yes, this is a true story. As she's not happy at all with the user experience and sees how I use my iPhone she wants to do the move.
    Wait, you got Insider Previews on Laptop too and WDRT has broken? even uninstalling it?
    03-23-2016 07:05 AM
  17. gouboy's Avatar
    People, please stop this MS is better than Apple or MS is better than google when ot comes tu upgrade. I dont really care, cause I have a Lumia, not an iphone or a nexus. I want an upgrade for my L820, not an iphone or nexus that I dont own.
    theefman and Chintan Gohel like this.
    03-23-2016 07:40 AM
  18. sniem's Avatar
    Yes, had the 3.1.6 and it didn't work with Windows 10 x64 14291 nor the previous Win10 builds. The latest WDRT 3.2.29 is no help, still the same error at launch (uninstall, install, repair installs of WDRT, Windows reboots, no matter what i tried and I don't want to remove the laptop's Insider build because it takes so long.):

    Error message (German):
    Bei der Komposition ist ein Kompositionsfehler aufgetreten. Die Ursache wird unten angegeben. Die CompositionException.Errors-Eigenschaft liefert genauere Informationen.

    1) Unbekanntes ModifierKeys-Element "STRG".

    Ergebnis: Durch den Aufruf des Konstruktors fr Typ "System.Windows.Controls.TextBox", der den angegebenen Bindungseinschrnkungen entspricht, wurde eine Ausnahme ausgelst.
    03-23-2016 07:47 AM
  19. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Yes, had the 3.1.6 and it didn't work with Windows 10 x64 14291 nor the previous Win10 builds. The latest WDRT 3.2.29 is no help, still the same error at launch (uninstall, install, repair installs of WDRT, Windows reboots, no matter what i tried and I don't want to remove the laptop's Insider build because it takes so long.):

    Error message (German):
    Bei der Komposition ist ein Kompositionsfehler aufgetreten. Die Ursache wird unten angegeben. Die CompositionException.Errors-Eigenschaft liefert genauere Informationen.

    1) Unbekanntes ModifierKeys-Element "STRG".

    Ergebnis: Durch den Aufruf des Konstruktors fr Typ "System.Windows.Controls.TextBox", der den angegebenen Bindungseinschrnkungen entspricht, wurde eine Ausnahme ausgelst.
    I guess you can use WDRT only on a released W10, it seems script touched an insider-modified dll
    03-23-2016 07:56 AM
  20. seed dede's Avatar
    this is the big problem, Not only 3rd party bt Microsoft's app too wont get support.
    still able to reinstall the app? and also, there was an extended support windows xp in 2009 to 2014
    03-23-2016 08:18 AM
  21. Saini Mukund's Avatar
    is there any unreg hack for 920 ?
    03-23-2016 08:24 AM
  22. gumbedamit's Avatar
    Can you update a 3-4 year old Android phone to the latest revision?
    03-23-2016 08:42 AM
  23. Varun Rajan's Avatar
    Can you update a 3-4 year old Android phone to the latest revision?
    That 3-4 year old android phone has better features and have access to the latest app updates.. So whats ur point?
    theefman and KRDROIDD like this.
    03-23-2016 09:30 AM
  24. Varun Rajan's Avatar
    Well said! Very reasonable and rational thought and feeling. I have hope again for the human race. For awhile there I thought nothing mattered to anyone but not getting win10 and their cells were the only thing worth living for.
    But they had this very same option with wp8 dont u think MS is a bit directionless when it comes to mobile devices.
    theefman likes this.
    03-23-2016 09:32 AM
  25. Varun Rajan's Avatar
    Really guys?! were talking about 3+ yr old tech here. I know people that upgrade their Apple devices yearly.. not to mention, Apple will FORCE you to upgrade every TWO years by blocking their newest OS on older phones. Android and apple keep their "good name" by only supporting the latest hardware. I agree with MS following suit. That said, I also agree that WM needs to get its SOFTWARE on track, work flawlessly, align the user experience (UX) so people feel confident owning a windows phone. Building a solid brand will give them a "good name" with their users.

    WM is showing some refreshing innovations which apple has been copying for awhile now (EG: linking accounts was from WM7, long press actions, living images) the list goes on.. I think just yesterday they announced a (new) ipad that cant even compare to a surface 3! THAT puppy cost $200 MORE than the surface 3, the pen costs more, the keyboard ..more! People will act like its the second coming and line up in droves for it as ushe. theres your "old tech" right there.
    Even without updates other ecosystem provides app updates , its not good being leftout. Its like a real bad deja vu .
    slivy58 likes this.
    03-23-2016 09:38 AM
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