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  1. Allogenes357's Avatar
    Not sure how that is true! My Lumia 1320 is a unlocked International version!?
    03-24-2016 12:58 AM
  2. Varun Rajan's Avatar
    Cheated? I 'm not sure about that.

    When you bought your phone did it say "Upgradable to W10M"? Mine didn't

    Microsoft stated at one point that it planned to upgrade all windows phones. They also have the right to change that position as circumstances change. They did not cheat anyone because they did not charge a fee and then not deliver the product they promised.

    It would be more accurate to say they "disappointed" people who thought they were getting W10M. Big difference.
    You do know that newer apps wont be supporting wp8 and though its not official technically it would mean the end of support for those phones. Its always more than an update. And yeah they kinda did. If there is gonna be a windows 11 announced sometimes in the later half of this year and releases after two years current 950 owners will be pissed too if they dint recieve the support . Do you know the actual no of updates these phones recieved in the time period that matters too.
    03-24-2016 01:59 AM
  3. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    36 months of support does not mean 36 months of updates. If you want Windows 10 mobile on your device stick the insīders build on it. you will then we able to get the UWP apps on your older device and get a bit more use out of it.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    03-24-2016 02:42 AM
  4. Anand Rangaraj's Avatar
    I this so Serious, Microsoft keep promising from the earlier release of windows 10 mobile, saying all lumia will get the windows 10 mobile OS for compulsory update.
    But now , no update for 512MB devices. I will keep away from lumia devices. Microsoft told, they provide windows 10 has a service. and after some time, this gonna be stoped, by giving some bad reason. RIP MICROSOFT whole bunch cheaters. If you can't keep up you'r word , don't lie to the consumers.
    we heard really bad news from Microsoft
    03-24-2016 04:40 AM
  5. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    Windows is as alive as it has ever been for me. And sales are pretty good too. I've purchased 3 640's in the last 6 months and couldn't be happier! And i don't care if the lovely AT&T updates my phone ( they probably won't). All platforms have phone update issues, that's just a fact of life and it always will be.
    What?
    Do you think anyone in the industry consider less than 3% market share (and in fast decline) as "pretty good"?
    If this is "pretty good" what did you think of the 10% they had in Europe in 2013?
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    03-24-2016 05:01 AM
  6. eryvile's Avatar
    So those leaving will get better update cycles on Android? Please! I got 2 OS updates in about 3 years on a Galaxy S4!
    That's right, Android is probably worse concerning updates, maybe except the Nexus line.
    But when you look at the app store with your S4, it looks pretty good, right? And most of your apps still get updates from time to time, correct?
    Now, do you think this will also be the case with WP8.1 6 to 12 months down the road? Look at what happened with the WP7 store.
    Microsoft showed me (and others?) that they don't care about me as a customer, twice (my L800 was a great phone, but soon condemned to collect dust in the drawer :(). Do you think I want to risk that a third time? I'm not really a masochist.
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    03-24-2016 05:27 AM
  7. Paul1266's Avatar
    It depends on how often you change your hardware I guess. I have bought 4 Lumia's in the last calendar year for instance (i generally move them on after a while to get some money towards the next purchase). I couldn't see myself using the same handset for more than a year (the rate things are changing) so all these issues of continued support drop away. I would love to know how long the average user keeps a handset now. Especially as the 2 year contract cycle is becoming less and less dominant. One thing is clear, there is little mileage in manufacturers providing continued support for old devices beyond a couple of years as margins become tighter and tighter in the industry. Any expectations of the same may seem reasonable to some but are becoming increasingly unrealistic.
    03-24-2016 05:54 AM
  8. Barry Weston's Avatar
    And in other news, old man yells at cloud

    I commend Microsoft for making the best business decision here. My 1020 was a tire fire of a phone when running any builds of 10. My 1520 even janks from time to time, but is far more acceptable.

    Microsoft said they plan to update all phones, but after several builds handed out to the masses to test the OS on a large scale they learned, from our feedback, that those low end and older phones simply cannot handle the OS. So they made what I am sure was a tough call and will be better off as a result of it.

    Sure it sucks, but look at Android - their phone update situation is a mess. With iOS, yes many models get the latest update, BUT, those older phones are stripped of many features that the newest hardware will have available due to their age.

    That's mobile, deal with it.
    03-24-2016 06:09 AM
  9. gouboy's Avatar

    Sure it sucks, but look at Android - their phone update situation is a mess. With iOS, yes many models get the latest update, BUT, those older phones are stripped of many features that the newest hardware will have available due to their age.



    That's mobile, deal with it.
    I don't really care about android, i don't own it. What I do own is a Lumia 820. Stop comparing to other platform. My concern is after a while all the apps wont work anymore on 8.1. Features being stripped of is a small matter really. I lot of people can live with that. But not a phone with a dead platform.

    The best decision MS could make is to release the update to all. Let users experience for themselves then let them decide to use it or not. Some might not like it and buy new Lumia instead, some may buy android, some might even buy iphone. Just let us decide.
    03-24-2016 06:35 AM
  10. nedarata's Avatar
    isn't win10 mobile a bit of mess?
    there will be pre-redstone and post-redstone apps
    just because you got win10 mobile via insider doesn't mean you will get newest apps
    03-24-2016 06:52 AM
  11. Roderick Aspiras's Avatar
    What kind of sick and demented Title is that? Cheated? I have a Lumia 925 and its really not good running Windows 10 mobile. I get it so I have to move on to a new Windows Mobile 10. Right now I'm considering 950 or that Alcatel. I think for MS to continue to support old hardware which were dirt cheap is really not a good idea. The L1020 is quite expensive but it is what it is and I do think moving it to Windows 10 is a bad idea cause the experience is not that good plus what's wrong with it staying with Windows 8.1? Just my thoughts.
    03-24-2016 07:31 AM
  12. David630's Avatar
    David630
    The insider program was developed so users could try the 10 mobile OS and give MS feedback.
    This is the basis for the decisions that were made.
    Some phones did not advance because feedback that reported performance issues were much greater than those that were likely to recommend the OS. What kind of feedback did you give? If users just used and gave no feedback this could be the cause.

    It's about stability, performance, and user feedback.. Phone specs has nothing to do with it.
    Here is why the Lumia 1020 (and likely other phones) are not getting Windows 10 Mobile | Windows Central
    Not sure why people focus on the feedback, the software is developed by Microsoft, if it was not ready or not good enough the problem is their code not the users.
    Performance is related to the specifications of the phone, this should be obvious.

    Feedback is not the cause, the cause is the bad support from Microsoft, I don't care too much about Windows 10 but this has been the last straw. I had an old tablet with Android and didn't like the OS, so with the phone I tried Windows, the lack of 3rd party support is a big problem, no app for the bank, wanted to buy something on wallapop and there wasn't an app, the other day I saw I could not try the new app from Nintendo, etc.
    Ok, this was known but from what I had read I thought Microsoft was going to work hard to bring applications to the platform and to update the phones. What was happened in the last months? The new strategy to bring apps is the windows 10 store, they are abandoning the other plans, no windows 10 update for a lot of people, applications like Health, Food&Drink, Travel, etc are disappearing from my phone, others like Here maps are losing support, I had to uninstall apps like their PDF reader because it didn't work and that's all related to Microsoft . If we count third party applications the store is full of outdated ones, bad copies with low functionality and a lot of them are disappearing like Mix Radio another one that came installed.
    But if Microsoft is the first one abandoning their users why should 3rd parties care about their ecosystem?

    You can always blame feedback, the reality is that my Windows Phone is getting worse and it probably has the worst support of all platforms or wants to gain that title.
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    03-24-2016 07:51 AM
  13. dby2011's Avatar
    The Lumia 820 is almost 4 years old, a newer phone like a 640 that will get WM10 would be better and cost you like $60.00. I don't understand your frustration.
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    03-24-2016 08:12 AM
  14. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Could you honestly see Samsung, LG, Google, Sony etc continuing updates and OS releases to devices over 2 years old?? I thought not.

    Maybe only the headlines were remembered about win 10. As for cheated. Hell no. I keep reiterating that NO manufacturer is obliged to offer updates beyond security. MSFT DID NOT 'promise' it to all. The statement they released said it was 'dependant on device, carrier, OEM's and OTHER FACTORS'. What are other factors? They could be anything from OS not performing as thought, hardware not performing correctly, or customer feedback. I can't see how a four year old device is obliged to be updated. In a society where most people upgrade every 2 years, 4 is stretching it. That's getting on for 2 upgrade cycles. Why would anyone support a device that old, when most people upgrade their devices (twice in this instance) and spend money on a device. A business is seeing NO return on a device that old hence why support ceases. Android is a prime example, with Samsung updating devices whenever it rains. People buy them(mugs) and they get proper support until the next device appears, usually in 12 months.

    Cheated? No. Listened to hearsay? Maybe. Expecting new device treatment for an older device? Yes. Envy rage? Possibly. Low flying toys launched from a pram? Definitely.
    03-24-2016 08:54 AM
  15. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Not sure why people focus on the feedback, the software is developed by Microsoft, if it was not ready or not good enough the problem is their code not the users.
    Performance is related to the specifications of the phone, this should be obvious.

    Feedback is not the cause, the cause is the bad support from Microsoft, I don't care too much about Windows 10 but this has been the last straw. I had an old tablet with Android and didn't like the OS, so with the phone I tried Windows, the lack of 3rd party support is a big problem, no app for the bank, wanted to buy something on wallapop and there wasn't an app, the other day I saw I could not try the new app from Nintendo, etc.
    Ok, this was known but from what I had read I thought Microsoft was going to work hard to bring applications to the platform and to update the phones. What was happened in the last months? The new strategy to bring apps is the windows 10 store, they are abandoning the other plans, no windows 10 update for a lot of people, applications like Health, Food&Drink, Travel, etc are disappearing from my phone, others like Here maps are losing support, I had to uninstall apps like their PDF reader because it didn't work and that's all related to Microsoft . If we count third party applications the store is full of outdated ones, bad copies with low functionality and a lot of them are disappearing like Mix Radio another one that came installed.
    But if Microsoft is the first one abandoning their users why should 3rd parties care about their ecosystem?

    You can always blame feedback, the reality is that my Windows Phone is getting worse and it probably has the worst support of all platforms or wants to gain that title.
    So you wanted 10, but as you put it, your phone is getting worse? In what context is it getting worse? Why does it have the worst support? In my dealings with them, all my issues have been sorted in one call.

    Maybe it isn't bad coding? Maybe firmware updates have caused problems? Maybe there aren't enough devices left to warrant any further support? I can't see the logic of carrying on with 4 year old devices.

    Ok, here's one for you....You get a shiny new win10m .164. It doesn't work as you expected? What do you do? Complain? Moan that it is rubbish? The thing is, that's as far as you would go anyways. Are all and sundry going to moan then that they arent getting Redstone build??
    03-24-2016 09:02 AM
  16. mvierling's Avatar
    I'm not even switching off .164 on my Lumia 1520 to get an "official update" because as soon as I do I'd go right back to preview for the last build and then I'm not official again.

    What's the point? Just keep up with the latest preview builds and your not missing out assuming your phone can run 10 smoothly to begin with.
    Um, there will be no more preview builds for non supported phones. The .164 version is the last.
    03-24-2016 09:08 AM
  17. mvierling's Avatar
    Your phone is 3 1/2 years old...that's a stellar run for any device. Yeah, they tried to squeeze an OS onto technology that is obsolete and it didn't perform. Time to upgrade.
    My iPad mini is more than three years old. It just got the lasted iOS upgrade. As much as I dislike Apple, they know how to please their customers and retain them. Microsoft doesn't.
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    03-24-2016 09:15 AM
  18. gouboy's Avatar
    The Lumia 820 is almost 4 years old, a newer phone like a 640 that will get WM10 would be better and cost you like $60.00. I don't understand your frustration.




    Lumia 640 in my country are sold for 700. Not everyone lives in the US you know.

    I actually have no problem using 8.1, as long as all the apps still works. But most likely it on.
    Last edited by gouboy; 03-24-2016 at 09:31 AM.
    03-24-2016 09:18 AM
  19. kpluck's Avatar
    I this so Serious, Microsoft keep promising from the earlier release of windows 10 mobile, saying all lumia will get the windows 10 mobile OS for compulsory update.
    Is that correct? I don't follow Windows 10 Mobile news as closely as I am sure many do but I don't recall seeing anything where Microsoft said ALL Lumia phones would get Windows 10 Mobile. Do you have a link to corroborate your claim of what Microsoft "said?"

    -kp
    03-24-2016 09:18 AM
  20. Paul1266's Avatar
    My iPad mini is more than three years old. It just got the lasted iOS upgrade. As much as I dislike Apple, they know how to please their customers and retain them. Microsoft doesn't.
    ...then I'm sure you've heard it doesn't run great on some of the older devices and has even bricked some iPad2's
    03-24-2016 09:39 AM
  21. Scott Haner's Avatar
    I know this will not be a direct comparison, but it just occurred to me...and I'm on the side I agree with Microsoft's decision, my 1020 did not run even the most recent build of 10 to an acceptable quality, but here is my thought:

    Microsoft says the product is not good enough to release to our standards, so we won't release it, and the internet explodes in anger...

    Someone like Blizzard for gaming says we're cancelling a game (Titan) that we've been developing for years because it's just not good enough, and for the most part the internet gives a silent thumbs up for sticking to their guns on quality and not releasing a sub-par experience.

    Just a funny comparison, as it's all a matter of perspective.
    03-24-2016 09:51 AM
  22. Peribanu's Avatar
    I installed .164 (from 8.1) on my Lumia 1020 two days ago, as I figured I'd find out what all the fuss is about. Before doing so, I deleted all the apps I haven't used for 6 months or so, and I know I won't use. No hard resets. It took about 2 hours to "settle down" doing updates to all the apps and the two installs of W10, but after that, it is running really smoothly, and has been for the last day and a half. It's more responsive than 8.1 -- far fewer resume screens. And the new Outlook is a dream. Feels like I have a much more powerful phone, and I haven't had a single app crash on me. The only downside is the battery lasts 70% less than under 8.1. No surprise really given that the OS is capable of much more now. The real surprise is that the phone feels so much more responsive now than under 8.1. I was expecting lockups, instability, apps crashing, the way people talk about it. Those of you who are complaining, but haven't tried it via the Windows Insider app, I urge you to have a go (set the Insider app to Production Ring). You're getting the released version, and you might be pleasantly surprised.
    03-24-2016 10:19 AM
  23. Nelle Douville's Avatar
    Right now I'm considering 950 or that Alcatel. I think for MS to continue to support old hardware which were dirt cheap is really not a good idea. The L1020 is quite expensive but it is what it is and I do think moving it to Windows 10 is a bad idea cause the experience is not that good plus what's wrong with it staying with Windows 8.1? Just my thoughts.
    I just upgraded from a 920 to a 950, and I love the new machine. Given the current discount, I'd go for it.
    03-24-2016 10:20 AM
  24. Nelle Douville's Avatar
    My iPad mini is more than three years old. It just got the lasted iOS upgrade. As much as I dislike Apple, they know how to please their customers and retain them. Microsoft doesn't.
    There's a difference. Apple has a closed ecosystem, and that would seem to make it far more manageable.
    groady-ho baluzy likes this.
    03-24-2016 10:24 AM
  25. popiter34's Avatar
    Was really a Windows phone until now. Buy a Lumia 1020 just to have it abandoned with the new Windows 10 mobile update. I was really disappointed to ee that the update was not available to ALL Windows Phones since I was really looking forward to it due to the facts that the 8.1 platform is completely bugged. Last time I settle for a Windows Phone.
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    03-24-2016 10:50 AM
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