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  1. GOPESH GOPI's Avatar
    at least they can give us wm10 with reduced functionality. but they not even did that too. i loved the windows phone but now i'm really sad and am thinking to move to android
    03-22-2016 11:03 AM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    It is rather sad to see the Microsofts apologists try to create an alternate universe where Microsoft didn't deceive its customers.

    This is not surprising considering the site we're on.

    And personally, I think Microsoft are a bunch of lying toerags, for the simple reason that they KNEW they weren't going to upgrade lots of devices but let people believe they would for months, adding these devices to the insider program and only on the day of release did they decide to tell people, and even then it was buried in an FAQ page deep in their site. Its just a poor way to treat your own users and says a lot about the company and the way it regards its smartphone platform.
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    03-22-2016 11:21 AM
  3. JunoVkool's Avatar
    Yeah. right. I won't even ask you to pick an android device with 512 MB RAM, just make it 1GB and newest processor for mid-range phone. Good luck that you will receive updates (if any) after 1-2 years LMAO.
    03-22-2016 11:23 AM
  4. Nelle Douville's Avatar
    I'm funny this way, but I buy what I like and can afford. In this case, a 950 worked for me, and it is exactly what I wanted. If an Android device is what you would like, by all means, go that route.
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    03-22-2016 11:25 AM
  5. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    I can recall minimum requirements for new versions of Windows. Why is this different from a pc that couldn't upgrade?

    If you were MS, what would be your preference? Put it on machines and have a herd of people complaining about the upgrade, or confine it to machines that meet minimum standards to run it effectively?
    Not exact. I installed W10 on Pentium D.... It works, but........... Just testing. Minimum pc specs are far above, for an accettable experience.
    I fear they understood that all in one time , with 512 MB Lumias
    03-22-2016 11:25 AM
  6. Jason Rosenthal's Avatar
    I do find it strange how many people there are on here with years old (often low end) devices are suddenly going to go out and buy the latest greatest on another platform. All of a sudden spending big bucks on a new device is no longer an issue....
    Since you asked. My Samsung Focus came off contract September of 2014 from the Canadian carrier Rogers. My options at the time were the old 1020, or wait month for a 830. The 1520, Icon, 930 and M8 never made it to Canada. Microsoft in their wisdom canceled the Maclaren to focus on low end devices. A 512mb 635 went on sale in December so I paid out of my own pocket instead of wasting my business upgrade.

    I was hoping to get a flagship in spring as that is when the 1520 and other flagships arrived. Finally in November the 950 came out, however Rogers and all other Canadian carriers dropped Microsoft all together. I can get a more capable LG G5, or Samsung S7 for less than half the price of the 950. I won't even entertain buying a new Windows Mobile until the people hub that I love is restored and all the bugs are out anyway.

    If I could turn back time, I should have wasted my upgrade on the 830 because my 635 is in it for the long haul now. It looks like only x50 phones will continue on to redstone, it maybe best if people refuse the update anyway if you like the people hub or a Cortana phone specific features.

    From December until now I was on the insider program with my 635. I wish I could give W10M a score of less than 0 because of how bad it really is. You should not experience any kind of defect within at least a month of using a device. With .164 and only stock apps installed, edge or cortana would crash within an hour of use. Edge is particularly bad. Even start screen would lag and show the resuming message. My Focus never failed once in 3 years, but that is too much to expect.
    03-22-2016 11:47 AM
  7. giganotosaurus's Avatar
    yeah Buy a 512 MB android and google will support you for 10 years. Lol.. unrealistic expectations
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    03-22-2016 12:15 PM
  8. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    I repeat once more: Google is updating only Nexus. Huawei doesn't update anything older than 2 year. Local Android OEM (OPPO,Xiamoi, etc.) have to rewrite their own custom Android s.o. if they want to upgrade
    03-22-2016 12:22 PM
  9. NitOxYs's Avatar
    The awkward moment when the Lumia Icon (929) is nearly identical other than carrier modems to the supported Lumia 930, getting Windows 10 Mobile. How about the insider FEEDBACK app was suppose to HELP fix issues and not say, oh crap we shouldn't develop this because we can't have too many builds/issues with it. The icon is just over 2 years old now, Apple has been supporting the 4S and above for years beyond it. They have IOS9. I get at some point there lacks updates. I get it, but really sours the mouth when there are no products available from your company on said network. Not our fault, theirs.
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    03-22-2016 12:29 PM
  10. NitOxYs's Avatar
    I repeat once more: Google is updating only Nexus. Huawei doesn't update anything older than 2 year. Local Android OEM (OPPO,Xiamoi, etc.) have to rewrite their own custom Android s.o. if they want to upgrade
    Except.. Nokia is now owned and operated as Microsoft's Mobile division.. AWKWARD!
    03-22-2016 12:31 PM
  11. erictrinh276's Avatar
    U guys are killing me with the crying

    The x2x phones are over 3 years old, they were only guaranteed 36 months support long before windows 10. U knew this years ago.

    The m8 and the icon I believe has something to do with Verizon so maybe they got rid of the m8 because of the carriers holding up (especially Vzw and att) updates.

    They had said a year ago some devices might not get the update, and they PLANNED on getting the update out. Stuff happens it's life. Insiders complained about those phones performance issues so they dropped the phones 90% of u guys it was time for a upgrade anyway

    Either way it goes u guys can STILL put insider on your phones, and STILL use the same .164 everyone else is using and possibly up until Redstone Is released and still use the new apps.

    Wtf are u complaining about u still have time to get a new phone while using windows 10

    Sent from mTalk
    What we are frustrated about is M$ claimed to update all phones in their conference, in front of millions people.
    Then they say hey we won't update your old phones even you've been loyal to us.
    If they have problem with Verizon, why did they decide to work with them?
    Why don't give the build to Verizon for testing before releasing it?
    mariusmuntean likes this.
    03-22-2016 12:42 PM
  12. Ben Schmidt1's Avatar
    Except.. Nokia is now owned and operated as Microsoft's Mobile division.. AWKWARD!
    No they aren't. Nokia's phone division was bought by MS, but that's not what you stated.
    03-22-2016 12:45 PM
  13. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Except.. Nokia is now owned and operated as Microsoft's Mobile division.. AWKWARD!
    I'm still taking a N78 rooted and full of apps in my desk, Who knows. I took it down becase there weren't working batteries on Amazon that weren't old as phone itself, so I switched to a 520 for 2 years ;)
    03-22-2016 12:46 PM
  14. AdamInTx's Avatar
    Apple has been supporting the 4S and above for years beyond it. They have IOS9.
    Not totally true. They have something called 9 but that is actually nowhere near as good as what a 6 has on it. They get a watered down version of 9 that is missing any of the features that a 4 cannot handle. On top of that, a 4 that has been updated has gotten noticeably slower with every version update. Yes they have "9" but it isn't truly 9 and it comes with a performance price.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    03-22-2016 12:48 PM
  15. erictrinh276's Avatar
    Not totally true. They have something called 9 but that is actually nowhere near as good as what a 6 has on it. They get a watered down version of 9 that is missing any of the features that a 4 cannot handle. On top of that, a 4 that has been updated has gotten noticeably slower with every version update. Yes they have "9" but it isn't truly 9 and it comes with a performance price.
    but the 4s still can be updated if the users want to
    and we're stuck here with M$
    03-22-2016 12:57 PM
  16. TheChazas's Avatar
    at least they give us reduced functionality. but they not even did that too. i loved the windows phone but now i'm really sad
    reduced functionality? = 8.1
    Several years passed and 512 MB devices are definitely outdated, if you are so eager and want W10M join Insider, you won't be happy because device will hold you back. Decision was confirmed and made from community that tested stuff, and 512 MB is not enough for a W10M.

    Creating an account and making these absurd statements with foul language won't impress and change anything, it is just wasting time, while you could earn some extra coin and get yourself a brand new capable device, instead of moaning.
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    03-22-2016 01:02 PM
  17. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    reduced functionality? = 8.1
    Several years passed and 512 MB devices are definitely outdated, if you are so eager and want W10M join Insider, you won't be happy because device will hold you back. Decision was confirmed and made from community that tested stuff, and 512 MB is not enough for a W10M.

    Creating an account and making these absurd statements with foul language won't impress and change anything, it is just wasting time, while you could earn some extra coin and get yourself a brand new capable device, instead of moaning.
    The only reduced functionality I asked was a toggle for switching off Aero effects on 512 MB. That's the only solution. Phones will fly. Too much effects kill memory
    03-22-2016 01:14 PM
  18. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    Microsoft allowed anyone to join the insider program an test there devices with Windows 10 Mobile. I have a Lumia 1020 and a Lumia 950. The 1020 is not up to running Windows 10 Mobile as a daily driver.
    03-22-2016 01:34 PM
  19. T Moore's Avatar
    Microsoft allowed anyone to join the insider program an test there devices with Windows 10 Mobile. I have a Lumia 1020 and a Lumia 950. The 1020 is not up to running Windows 10 Mobile as a daily driver.
    And that is the insider feedback Microsoft got on x2x devices. This is why it is not available. Not enough users said this works on my phone and the problems reported swamped out the good.
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    03-22-2016 02:10 PM
  20. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    I'm not even going to bother to read beyond the first post. Look guys, Microsoft NEVER explicitly promised to update all Windows phones to Windows 10 Mobile. They said their GOAL was to update all Windows phones, but this is what they get for telling us anything. Because they were cautiously optimistic long before they had any concrete answers about what would be possible, half the Windows world is yelling and whining because they think they were cheated. Microsoft did exactly what was expected of them and it's a whole lot better than a lot of other companies. They said they'd TRY to update as many phones as humanly possible, than let us all have VERY early access through the Windows Insider program, and carefully and meticulously evaluated the performance and reliability of every phone that joined the Insider program. After months of testing and developing it became clear that some Windows phones CANNOT run Windows 10 Mobile safely. So Microsoft, intent on providing the best experience possible, has to take all these hits because people don't understand that, sometimes, three year old phones can't run the latest software. Microsoft never made promises, they made optimistic hints that they would do their best, and they did. They sure did a lot better than anything but a Nexus device on Android, and Android Central even took note of that, if no one noticed that happened. You know what? Well done Microsoft. You're taking a hit for no reason, but well done. The update is going much smoother than most people expected, even if it's apparently just not good enough.
    I don't bother to read beyond the first sentence or two.
    Microsoft EXPLICITLY SAID 36 months of updates. 1320 - my phone - came out February 2014, and therefore HAS TO BE UPDATED THROUGH 2017.
    I don't get you people; you don't own Microsoft. You - most of you - are not shareholders. What is it with you always taking their side? Can it be anything beyond sheer fanboyism?
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    03-22-2016 02:24 PM
  21. NitOxYs's Avatar
    No they aren't. Nokia's phone division was bought by MS, but that's not what you stated.
    My apologies, their "devices" group. Which is really the "mobile" portion of their business (laptops, phones, tablets, hybrids, etc).
    03-22-2016 02:32 PM
  22. Paul1266's Avatar
    I don't bother to read beyond the first sentence or two.
    Microsoft EXPLICITLY SAID 36 months of updates. 1320 - my phone - came out February 2014, and therefore HAS TO BE UPDATED THROUGH 2017.
    I don't get you people; you don't own Microsoft. You - most of you - are not shareholders. What is it with you always taking their side? Can it be anything beyond sheer fanboyism?
    Putting it in caps doesn't make your argument any more compelling. Resorting to calling anyone who doesn't agree with your analysis a 'fanboy' is weak and normally the last resort of a weak argument. I understand your disappointment but your (& the rest of the angry brigade) steadfast inability to deal with the facts is bemusing.
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    03-22-2016 02:34 PM
  23. NitOxYs's Avatar
    Not totally true. They have something called 9 but that is actually nowhere near as good as what a 6 has on it. They get a watered down version of 9 that is missing any of the features that a 4 cannot handle. On top of that, a 4 that has been updated has gotten noticeably slower with every version update. Yes they have "9" but it isn't truly 9 and it comes with a performance price.
    Absolutely, if the hardware isn't there, don't enable that service. Why can Windows 10 for x86 handle that and not Windows 10 mobile when they're trying to delete the line between mobile OS and desktop OS.
    03-22-2016 02:35 PM
  24. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    And that is the insider feedback Microsoft got on x2x devices. This is why it is not available. Not enough users said this works on my phone and the problems reported swamped out the good.
    At what point did receiving updates become something insiders have to decide about? If the software couldn't run on these devices, that means the software is crap. They promised to update devices and now they are like "yeah our software is crap and because you are basically saying it's crap we're not going to do anything about it. Deal with it."

    I am not saying Microsoft can do anything about the situation now, but this...these incidents are indicators that anyone trusting Microsoft for a solid Mobile platform can be considered an ***** from now on.

    Why did we stick with Windows Phone anyway? First they butchered the design language that separated WP from Android and iOS to the point that Windows is barely distinguishable from Android - a crappy, unfinished version by the way - and then they kept giving their faithful base the shaft over and over.

    Why are you guys defending them? What is it? The lackluster and awkward hardware 950XL or the beta software running it? Seriously, what is it?
    Sigh.
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    03-22-2016 02:36 PM
  25. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    I don't bother to read beyond the first sentence or two.
    Microsoft EXPLICITLY SAID 36 months of updates. 1320 - my phone - came out February 2014, and therefore HAS TO BE UPDATED THROUGH 2017.
    I don't get you people; you don't own Microsoft. You - most of you - are not shareholders. What is it with you always taking their side? Can it be anything beyond sheer fanboyism?
    Common sense and the ability to see things clearly. If something doesn't work well on your phone why do you want it? If it was me and I was that worried about it I would call or send MS a very nice polite detailed grievance. Maybe they will do something for you. You never know.
    03-22-2016 02:37 PM
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