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  1. Brian Emmerling's Avatar
    Microsoft has the most pro-individual approach to mobile and they get nothing but crap for it. Every core service that is offered is offered any platform of your choice. You can be a windows mobile phone user today and switch to android tomorrow and have no need to switch ecosystems.

    I love the choice MS is giving us. If the services are good, the people will come.
    04-01-2016 02:30 PM
  2. anon(3463402)'s Avatar
    considering switching to Android
    Yeah, it's very good for kids.

    I would rather use Nokia 3210 than android.
    04-01-2016 03:15 PM
  3. Jason Rosenthal's Avatar
    What is not clear to me is the Xamarian (or whatever it's called) coding tool
    It means that developers specializing in creating software using Visual Studio and .net do not have to abandon Microsoft tools/skills when moving to Android or iOS development. Its win win for Microsoft and developers. Microsoft can retain some developers on Visual Studio for when they are ready to focus, and developers don't need much training as they switch into Android/iOS development.
    04-01-2016 03:30 PM
  4. Panos Athanasiou's Avatar
    well windows 10 is Desktop and Mobile with some small differences and for them to release a phone build is actually nothing as they have said. so they might mean that as a whole:3 after all W10m is 1 year old?... it needs some time to mature like the other competitors xd
    04-01-2016 04:49 PM
  5. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    Follwing the standard process for killing off a product:

    1) Consolidate support around "core" users and give up on broad market use.
    - Windows 10 Mobile devices released for WP enthusiasts with little to no marketing for them.

    2) Announce that the platform currently isn't a focus.
    - Myerson's comments yesterday.

    3) Announce the that platform is being discontinued.
    - ???

    RIP WP, glad I jumped ship before things got as bad as they are now.
    You forgot a step. 1.a) Remove the executive responsible for the product to be killed so as to distance him from the act, giving him plausible deniability and protect his reputation. (bye bye Joey Belfiore) ;)
    04-01-2016 05:12 PM
  6. Mr Hyde's Avatar
    Typical article headline. Sensationalize to some degree to get clicks. Typical reader reaction. Read the headline and draw a conclusion with limited information.

    It seems to me that Myerson summed up MS's position with this statement (which was the last line of the article), "We're going to do some cool things with phones, but this year phones are an important part of our family but not the tip of the spear." Since MS is much more than just a "phone" company this seems totally logical to me
    04-01-2016 07:01 PM
  7. caesar500's Avatar
    Communication has never been Microsoft's strong point. There are better ways to speak to your base. I'm starting to think that the strategy is to let it burn to the ground, and then slowly build up in a year or two. Only at that point will put more resources into it. In the meantime, the NYPD and airline deals have been good. It just seems like any momentum there will not carry over to outside of business, because Microsoft does not care for consumer phone products at this time.
    04-01-2016 07:29 PM
  8. cracgor's Avatar
    well windows 10 is Desktop and Mobile with some small differences and for them to release a phone build is actually nothing as they have said. so they might mean that as a whole:3 after all W10m is 1 year old?... it needs some time to mature like the other competitors xd
    If it was nothing to release a phone build, why is W10M still waiting for an official release 5 months after the unofficial release with L950? W10M looks a lot more like W10 as far as fonts and things go, but there has to be a good difference between the two for all the delays on release. Also, its unfair to do this W10M is only a couple of months old. By that account, it is the same age as Android. W10M was released in November and Marshmallow was released in October.
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    04-01-2016 08:03 PM
  9. Ibro2g's Avatar
    You know, I just don't get it either. Everything that was announced at //build/ is a plus plus and super plus for widows 10 mobile. The pessimism at windows central is epic, almost like a curse.

    The Verge is like an Apple promotion site these days, they'll spin whatever news they get to make MS look bad. Have you heard the interview? This year isn't about mobile, its about Windows, all of it, mobile inclusive. However, me, I'm not a developer, but I'm super excited for UWP, for Cortana and Skype, for Ink, Hello and the possibilities of those APIs in the hands of developers. Indeed the future is her and its clearly with Windows 10.
    Antonht, Paolo Ferrazza and LUGJUG like this.
    04-01-2016 08:53 PM
  10. Chris 6's Avatar
    On a brighter note and a change from all the negative about Windows Mobile 10 I just watched the movie Batman vs. Superman did anyone catch the Lumia 950 being used in the movie? I thought it was cool and seemed good NOT to see an Apple all over the place. Snyder DC or someone associated with these movies must like Windows phone they were featured in Man of Steel movie and now Batman vs Superman. I have the 950 and its a GREAT phone.
    Last edited by Chris 6; 04-02-2016 at 06:06 AM.
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    04-02-2016 01:11 AM
  11. Rahul Guliyani 92's Avatar
    On a brighter note and a change from all the negative about Windows Mobile 10 I just watched the movie Batman vs. Superman did anyone catch the Lumia 950 being used in the movie? I thought it was cool and seemed good NOT to see an Apple all over the place. Snyder DC or someone associated with these movies must like Windows phone they were featured in 1st and 2nd Man of Steel movies and now Batman vs Superman. I have the 950 and its a GREAT phone.
    I noticed that too and my girlfriend couldn't understand why i was excited to see just a windows phone being used in a movie (She's a Samsung fan)
    I also saw Henry Cavill's instagram photo a few months back in which he shows off lumia 950
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    04-02-2016 01:51 AM
  12. dalydose's Avatar
    Well, they are putting their focus on things that are "everywhere", while the phone is getting no specific attention. I can imagine all of the things you listed being on iOS and Android BEFORE Windows Mobile. Windows 10 on PC's is not the same as Windows 10 on mobile. Marketing speak aside, they are still two different animals.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-02-2016 02:00 AM
  13. broar94's Avatar
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/gen.../208468-76.htm --

    all the recent posts indicate that more people are leaving WP after release of WP10 . Sad..
    04-02-2016 03:00 AM
  14. luxnws's Avatar
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/gen.../208468-76.htm --

    all the recent posts indicate that more people are leaving WP after release of WP10 . Sad..
    More accurately, the platform is leaving the people. Remember, less than half of all Windows Phones currently in circulation can be upgraded to W10M based on the AdDuplex survey of Windows Phones.

    Of the number that can be upgraded but still running WP8.1, how many will bother to upgrade to W10M? It won't be 100%. Even 50% seems high.

    Finally remember that fewer Windows Phones have been sold each of the past three years.

    The numbers are probably why Microsoft isn't prioritizing development for Windows Phones at Build. It doesn't make sense for such a tiny audience. Even the Skype bot preview wasn't released on Windows Phone.

    Skype Bots preview comes to consumers and developers ? - Skype Blogs
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    04-02-2016 05:12 AM
  15. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    Microsoft has the most pro-individual approach to mobile and they get nothing but crap for it. Every core service that is offered is offered any platform of your choice. You can be a windows mobile phone user today and switch to android tomorrow and have no need to switch ecosystems.

    I love the choice MS is giving us. If the services are good, the people will come.
    Just not to Windows Phone/W10Whatever.
    theefman likes this.
    04-02-2016 06:11 AM
  16. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I think some of you are clinging to false hope. I didn't want to believe WM10 was dead but all one needs to do is open their eyes and follow the money (like everything else in life).

    It's done. Over. Kaput.
    It's hard to say that 100%. On one site they say "Windows Phone isn't our focus this year!" makes everything seem kind of dim. Then we have HP coming out with a X3 phone, not just a phone, a complete line up of gear. I am sure Microsoft invested a lot to help HP build and create this device to be the ultimate flagship of it's time.

    If we were still on 8.1, and they never created 10 for phones, I would give it a done stamp but, they want this flow between all devices so as 10 is pretty much dead this year, there is a high chance that they might put more into it later this year.

    This alone makes me feel like it's over but, it's not the Microsoft way on how they do things. When it's over, you will know.

    As for me, the W10m upgrade for the ICON has me PISSED off at Windows Phone completely (930 gets it but, the 929 does not ?). I am on my LG G3 and just watching all this.

    I love Windows Phone but, seeing this, shows me we are NOT getting "Tap to Pay" this year....AGAIN... SO I am on my LG using Tap to Pay to get my coffee every morning. I can work around it for now and swap back to my ICON time to time.

    I have almost given up....not fully but, almost but, fed up with waiting for crap
    04-02-2016 08:28 AM
  17. Krystianpants's Avatar
    My prediction? This week we may get a redstone build they had running during build. Which may include the xbox controller support.

    I also predict the spring 2017 lineup of hardware they plan to release may include:

    -a new xbox
    -a new dock for existing/new continuum phones to extend power for gaming (Based on their multi gpu advancements in directX12), Lumia 950/xl may finally get support for dx12 and obviously redstone is going 64-bit.
    - new hybrid laptop
    - some type of interface for connecting devices and using their power possibly?
    -accessories like e-ink flip cover.
    04-02-2016 08:52 AM
  18. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Anyway when talking about what is dead and what is not I'd put numbers in the discussion:

    Month Android iOS Windows Phone Java ME Symbian Other

    May, 2015 51.59% 38.98% 2.45% 3.84% 1.93% 1.21%
    June, 2015 51.04% 40.83% 2.29% 3.20% 1.42% 1.22%
    July, 2015 51.12% 41.55% 2.51% 2.09% 1.46% 1.27%
    August, 2015 52.14% 40.82% 2.60% 1.72% 1.38% 1.33%
    September, 2015 53.54% 38.58% 2.48% 1.73% 2.44% 1.22%
    October, 2015 52.61% 40.28% 2.90% 1.73% 1.32% 1.15%
    November, 2015 57.10% 34.88% 3.14% 1.76% 1.89% 1.23%
    December, 2015 57.29% 35.43% 2.58% 1.85% 1.70% 1.14%
    January, 2016 58.75% 32.93% 2.86% 2.14% 1.73% 1.60%
    February, 2016 59.65% 32.28% 2.57% 2.40% 1.57% 1.53%
    March, 2016 60.99% 31.76% 2.54% 2.07% 1.40% 1.24%

    This is the usage-share of the various OS, as you can see windows phone is as dead as one year ago, even if it drops to 2.0% by the end of the year and then Microsoft starts marketing the new W10M experience there is nothing lost. Actually there is a lot to gain in this "retrenching" strategy if they can deliver a great mobile experience in these months of development and then show the world what they have done in this year of refinement!

    https://netmarketshare.com/
    04-02-2016 09:38 AM
  19. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Anyway when talking about what is dead and what is not I'd put numbers in the discussion:

    Month Android iOS Windows Phone Java ME Symbian Other

    May, 2015 51.59% 38.98% 2.45% 3.84% 1.93% 1.21%
    June, 2015 51.04% 40.83% 2.29% 3.20% 1.42% 1.22%
    July, 2015 51.12% 41.55% 2.51% 2.09% 1.46% 1.27%
    August, 2015 52.14% 40.82% 2.60% 1.72% 1.38% 1.33%
    September, 2015 53.54% 38.58% 2.48% 1.73% 2.44% 1.22%
    October, 2015 52.61% 40.28% 2.90% 1.73% 1.32% 1.15%
    November, 2015 57.10% 34.88% 3.14% 1.76% 1.89% 1.23%
    December, 2015 57.29% 35.43% 2.58% 1.85% 1.70% 1.14%
    January, 2016 58.75% 32.93% 2.86% 2.14% 1.73% 1.60%
    February, 2016 59.65% 32.28% 2.57% 2.40% 1.57% 1.53%
    March, 2016 60.99% 31.76% 2.54% 2.07% 1.40% 1.24%

    This is the usage-share of the various OS, as you can see windows phone is as dead as one year ago, even if it drops to 2.0% by the end of the year and then Microsoft starts marketing the new W10M experience there is nothing lost. Actually there is a lot to gain in this "retrenching" strategy if they can deliver a great mobile experience in these months of development and then show the world what they have done in this year of refinement!

    https://netmarketshare.com/
    I'm not entirely sure those numbers really mean much as Symbian still has 1.4% and that is long dead. There is probably going to always be a tiny percentage that hangs on for a long time regardless of how 'dead' a platform may be. What will be more telling is how quickly those numbers trend back up depending on how successful Microsoft's strategy is.
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    04-02-2016 09:49 AM
  20. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    I'm not entirely sure those numbers really mean much as Symbian still has 1.4% and that is long dead. There is probably going to always be a tiny percentage that hangs on for a long time regardless of how 'dead' a platform may be. What will be more telling is how quickly those numbers trend back up depending on how successful Microsoft's strategy is.
    I think they are very interesting when saying that it is "dead", if it is dead now it has always been dead since we've been fluctuating around 2.5% for years, that's what I mean. It's not dead, it's just in a decreasing slope of a curve that had up and downs for years. At least this time there is a real project, so when we touch let's say 2% by the end of the year there could be a real bounce. I'm all for going down to 2% if that means reaching 5% in 2017-2018 (just for example sake).

    iphone numbers on the other hand should worry apple fans a bit, and if you read around the net the outlook is not very good for either apple that is loosing to android, and for android OEMs that can't get any revenue from the crazy android handsets market. Interesting times indeed.
    04-02-2016 10:48 AM
  21. Spectrum90's Avatar
    I think they are very interesting when saying that it is "dead", if it is dead now it has always been dead since we've been fluctuating around 2.5% for years...
    Don't try to extract many conclusion of web traffic data. People use apps on their phones, not the web.
    Sales stats are a better indicator of the health of the platform and as you probably know WP sales are rapidly approaching to zero.
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    04-02-2016 11:31 AM
  22. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Don't try to extract many conclusion of web traffic data. People use apps on their phones, not the web.
    Sales stats are a better indicator of the health of the platform and as you probably know WP sales are rapidly approaching to zero.
    What's important is usage, as you may see the trend is lowering following the low sales so the two are related obviously but they are not the same. And web usage is the best indicator of how many active users are out there, and that's what matters for the matter at hand. From ecosystem point of view we don't care about the fact that iphone users upgrade far more often then other users that's why sales does not represent active users at all. If you have another good indicator of OS usage please share it. And "people use data on they phones" is obvious, the point is they use the browser too on all systems, I go out for lunch with a lot of people with android and iphones and all of them during lunch opens the browser at least once, as an example.
    04-02-2016 12:54 PM
  23. Dragunov2's Avatar
    Well, if we can install IOS apps on our Windows Phone, then everything is solved, at least for me!

    No need to go to another platform, cause then I have everything I want!
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    04-02-2016 01:00 PM
  24. cjslman's Avatar
    I don't think that MS is abandoning W10M. I think that MS' idea is to focus development on other platforms (xbox, etc) which are the ones that are bringing in the green ones. W10M and related HW will probably be in some sort of maintenance/minimal development mode. I will admit that I'm not sure if that is the correct strategy to follow. Now, IMHO, I don't think MS is interested in going after Android/iPhone market share (and probably shouldn't). What it should be trying to be doing is create an essential accessory/companion for the millions of Windows 10 users. Unfortunately, it's first attempt at this was a very expensive and buggy proposition.
    04-02-2016 01:13 PM
  25. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    You know, I just don't get it either. Everything that was announced at //build/ is a plus plus and super plus for widows 10 mobile. The pessimism at windows central is epic, almost like a curse.
    That's because you are believing what you see and hear from BUILD rather than looking at Microsoft's track record over the years. Cue "but this time it will be different". Just like WP 7 was going to be different. With WP 8 it was REALLY going to be different. Wait, WP 10 is the version that will REALLY TRULY be different because this time Microsoft REALLY, REALLY means it! LOL

    Yo Panay, I'm still waiting for those custom blades for the Surface you said (3 years ago) were coming.

    So to say that the pessimism is epic implies that there is no rational basis for that response.



    The Verge is like an Apple promotion site these days, they'll spin whatever news they get to make MS look bad. Have you heard the interview? This year isn't about mobile, its about Windows, all of it, mobile inclusive. However, me, I'm not a developer, but I'm super excited for UWP, for Cortana and Skype, for Ink, Hello and the possibilities of those APIs in the hands of developers. Indeed the future is her and its clearly with Windows 10.
    You are welcome to fantasize about how terrific Windows 10 is going to be. I won't try to convince you to think differently. For those of us who have long histories with Microsoft in the mobile space, we've seen enough to know how this ends... because there is nothing fundamentally different this time that will cause the outcome to be different.
    04-02-2016 01:30 PM
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