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  1. NatKingColeslaw's Avatar
    I think an important point is that Windows 10 is still in its relative infancy. The ideas are there with Continuum and Cortana, but it will only improve. I do think Windows PHONE will drift along in relative obscurity until Windows as a platform matures a bit. As the possibilities of Windows grow, so too will adoption. At that point, I think we'll see an explosion in Windows phone adoption.

    I manage 100 work at home employees, all who have flexible schedules. It is difficult to keep up with all the issues people have. I currently use my large screened Samsung Galaxy Note 4 to keep up as much as I can. I still have my previous Lumia 822, and am starting to experiment with person-based reminders. This has been an absolute game changer for me. From simple "remember to wish so and so a happy birthday" to more specific "ask so and so how their first 2 weeks have been", to "remind so and so about the software change" reminders, I am finding myself able to stay in touch with people much more efficiently. While I have set office hours, I have 100 people that reach out to me as their first point of contact. Being able to have thing sync to my Surface (including upcoming text messages) means I am less tied to my desk and am more able to enjoy my 14 month old and the new things he's doing each day.

    The important thing is to be patient and to start building a bit of momentum. I don't think it'll take one big name app to start the cascade, but I do think we'll see more and more apps coming to Windows 10. For now, we need to look at the rate of new companies adding apps compared to the number of companies discontinuing their apps. Starbucks, Bank of America, the more of these that are announced the better. Between 1st party apps, 3rd party apps, new features of Windows, and more Enterprise clients finally upgrading to Windows 10, the future is definitely bright. This isn't me drinking the kool-aid, this is just how I see it.

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    Chintan Gohel likes this.
    04-19-2016 05:03 PM
  2. halflifecrysis's Avatar
    im From Chile, and here the phone companies don't even sell Windows phones any more, much less Windows 10 mobile phones, so there isn't any bank app or any other app for any chilean service running in the store for me, last year movistar was selling Windows pone but for some reason every phone in the store or any marketing just dissapear, even Xbox don't have any marketing in there and just the ps4 reign supreme. i really think that Microsoft doesn't care anything for the latin america public, the only country that have some Microsoft marketing is mexico
    I don't think we have real banking apps in the U.S.

    BOA may come back, no Chase, Huntington etc.
    04-19-2016 05:23 PM
  3. EMINENT 1's Avatar
    IF BOA comes back as a W10M app, I will switch banks.
    IF Starbucks also releases a USP app, I will stop the boycott and begin buying coffee there with my app and Band 3.
    04-19-2016 05:43 PM
  4. sd4f's Avatar
    As I've learnt a bit more about it, my opinion is changing about W10M. I'm noticing that there does appear to be some reinvigorated interest from developers now that it ties the desktop to the mobile. I still really think MS dropped the ball and should have worked on improving the transition from WP8 to W10M much more smoothly.

    I really want the platform to succeed, I should give W10M a bit more of a look in (i'm on a L920, and just want a reliable phone, so never tried any insider builds), hopefully MS uses some of the feedback they get to declutter W10M though. I think they start to worry and change things which don't really need to change, although, it does appear that they are trying to change the app issue.

    I think that really it's the chicken and egg scenario with the apps and adoption rate. You won't get one without the other, and vice versa. For quite a while, the lack of apps didn't bother me, as I had what I wanted/needed. More recently, however, with a few apps closing down, I can't say it's quite the same. I'm keeping a close eye on microsoft maps and navigation. I'm quite a fan of here drive, so until the MS app behaves very similar, I'm not going to consider W10M, seeing as I can't have here drive on it.

    I also think that a few quality games would go a long way to help the platform. I know that they're looking at all platforms, but they should try to leverage xbox with more quality games that work on the phones, on xbox, on desktops and try to make it much more than the plethora of microtransaction games available.
    04-19-2016 08:02 PM
  5. Queen Kong1's Avatar
    Is facebook out of beta? that's all i want :P.
    04-19-2016 10:27 PM
  6. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    They seem to be, at least for the mainstream folks. For me, the platform keeps degrading, in some respects. With the latest build of W10M on the Insider Fast Ring, IM+ no longer works. It'll open from a toast, but not on its own. I tried resetting my phone and uninstalling the app, no dice. Then, it lost its connection, so I can't get toast notifications, making the app unusable. IM+ was probably one of 3 heavily used third-party apps for me (the others being TeamViewer and Unified Remote). Without it, I can't use AIM, and I can't expect all of my contact to switch to Skype. There's no alternative on the platform, so I'm just hosed. MLB.TV was also delisted on W10 and W10M, so my favorite sport is lost to me. Unstream still isn't installable on my PC or phone, with the Windows Store crashing on both anytime I try to get to it.

    So, we might have more apps. I don't keep count. I can't say I feel better with W10M than WP8.1 right now, though. I was really happy when I got my 950. After losing MLB.TV and IM+, I'm very disappointed.
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    04-20-2016 12:56 AM
  7. mikepalma's Avatar
    The store should have a category for Universal apps, so they are both featured and easily listed / found
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    04-20-2016 01:37 AM
  8. Cruachan 11's Avatar
    What percentage of time do people actually use for all these super important local apps? What sort of things do they do that means I must have them?

    I think the main players are required as people spend lots of time in them... whether social, media or entertainment. But an app for say a dry cleaners is not a make or break deal. I know where my dry cleaner is and when my stuff is ready. I don't need an app for that.
    IMO it wouldn't be apps like the local dry cleaners that make the difference, I interpreted "local" apps as meaning some country specific apps but I may be misreading there.

    Taking the UK as an example again, almost all of the major banks aren't multinational, so you could count those as local apps, and we already have most of them in the UK although admittedly they are 8.1 apps and not universal yet. Most chain fast food or coffee shops are though (E.g. McDonalds, Burger King, Starbucks etc) but there are some that are not such as Greggs. Greggs already have an app in the Apple and Google stores for their contactless payment and loyalty scheme.

    Then you can move to other things people want on the go, examples I can think of are online bookmakers (in play betting being something I see advertised a lot, not a gambler myself), the English Premier League Fantasy Football app, local traffic news.
    04-20-2016 03:50 AM
  9. Totoy Bibo's Avatar
    i think slowly but surely it is indeed getting better.
    04-20-2016 04:05 AM
  10. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    They seem to be, at least for the mainstream folks. For me, the platform keeps degrading, in some respects. With the latest build of W10M on the Insider Fast Ring, IM+ no longer works. It'll open from a toast, but not on its own. I tried resetting my phone and uninstalling the app, no dice. Then, it lost its connection, so I can't get toast notifications, making the app unusable. IM+ was probably one of 3 heavily used third-party apps for me (the others being TeamViewer and Unified Remote). Without it, I can't use AIM, and I can't expect all of my contact to switch to Skype. There's no alternative on the platform, so I'm just hosed. MLB.TV was also delisted on W10 and W10M, so my favorite sport is lost to me. Unstream still isn't installable on my PC or phone, with the Windows Store crashing on both anytime I try to get to it.

    So, we might have more apps. I don't keep count. I can't say I feel better with W10M than WP8.1 right now, though. I was really happy when I got my 950. After losing MLB.TV and IM+, I'm very disappointed.
    Platform seems degrading since you're on insider program and those redstone builds are early buggy builds. Check back in a couple of months time and you'll be surprised with the difference with newer redstone builds with new features
    04-20-2016 04:18 AM
  11. TLRtheory's Avatar
    Though sites like The Verge try their damndest to convince the world that the Windows Store is dead on all platforms, it's been picking up significant momentum for years now.

    As for UWP specifically, it's no surprise that they're picking up momentum because it's something neither Google nor Apple are doing to the same level of ambition. Since I own an iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro as well as a Nexus 5, gapps-enabled Kindle Fire and Chromebook, I can speak volumes about how thick the disconnect is between platforms. iPhone/iPad and Android phones/tablets play together well, but then you get to the Mac App Store/Chrome Web Store and there's a huge disconnect. Microsoft's come closer than the other giants ever have to unifying this, and it's pretty damn appealing.

    How tightly WP worked with the platform all my work requires me to use forms a lot of the reason Windows Phone was able to steal me from Android.
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    04-20-2016 09:51 AM
  12. EBUK's Avatar
    Is it just me or are universal apps picking up momentum?

    How fast are you going?

    Seriously, Android apps are more 'universal' than Windows apps. I can run and do run Android apps on my Android phone (of course), Windows 10 desktop, Windows 10 tablet, and Macbook. OK, so I need to be running Bluestacks, but the apps run without any problem on all those devices. When my workplace Office 360 subscription ran out, I just installed Word for Android. Worked a treat.

    And that's a great shame. Windows Mobile is a great OS, but Microsoft screwed up. Again.
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    04-20-2016 12:17 PM
  13. Will Gilliland's Avatar
    ... there with my app and Band 3.
    Cool, did they make the Band 3 waterproof and with a better battery? :)
    Snarkiness aside, I'm in the Microsoft ecosystem with Surface Pro 3, Band 2, XBox 360, XBox One and Lumia 640. Microsoft is now really driving the convergence in all platforms, except W10M.

    It’s like their game plan is to develop everything BUT the phone market to such a saturation/acceptance level that consumers will want to get a W10 Phone just to round out the otherwise perfect ecosystem.
    04-20-2016 02:09 PM
  14. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    No, I think it's just you.
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    04-20-2016 03:04 PM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    IMO it wouldn't be apps like the local dry cleaners that make the difference, I interpreted "local" apps as meaning some country specific apps but I may be misreading there.

    Taking the UK as an example again, almost all of the major banks aren't multinational, so you could count those as local apps, and we already have most of them in the UK although admittedly they are 8.1 apps and not universal yet. Most chain fast food or coffee shops are though (E.g. McDonalds, Burger King, Starbucks etc) but there are some that are not such as Greggs. Greggs already have an app in the Apple and Google stores for their contactless payment and loyalty scheme.

    Then you can move to other things people want on the go, examples I can think of are online bookmakers (in play betting being something I see advertised a lot, not a gambler myself), the English Premier League Fantasy Football app, local traffic news.
    Interesting. Yes, I can see how Local could be national rather than regional.

    At that level, yes, national apps are important.
    04-20-2016 05:30 PM
  16. pallentx's Avatar
    Its a mixed bag. We've lost some here and there, but we've picked up some new apps and nice W10 updates to old apps. My bank USAA, which dropped support for WP back when 8 came out, has put out a really nice universal W10 app. I can deposit checks from my phone or Surface Pro. Overall, I think things are moving in the right direction. As w10 adoption rises and MS continues to prove UWP is here to stay and not something they will abandon or restart in a year or two, this will only get better and better.
    04-20-2016 05:39 PM
  17. etphoto's Avatar
    I think the answer is the Surface. I think the more and more Surface devices are sold and more and more people are using Windows 10, that is what will being the developers. Windows Phone will NEVER bring developers.

    Sent from my Surface 3
    04-20-2016 05:52 PM
  18. hasasimo's Avatar
    They seem to be, at least for the mainstream folks. For me, the platform keeps degrading, in some respects. With the latest build of W10M on the Insider Fast Ring, IM+ no longer works. It'll open from a toast, but not on its own. I tried resetting my phone and uninstalling the app, no dice. Then, it lost its connection, so I can't get toast notifications, making the app unusable. IM+ was probably one of 3 heavily used third-party apps for me (the others being TeamViewer and Unified Remote). Without it, I can't use AIM, and I can't expect all of my contact to switch to Skype. There's no alternative on the platform, so I'm just hosed. MLB.TV was also delisted on W10 and W10M, so my favorite sport is lost to me. Unstream still isn't installable on my PC or phone, with the Windows Store crashing on both anytime I try to get to it.

    So, we might have more apps. I don't keep count. I can't say I feel better with W10M than WP8.1 right now, though. I was really happy when I got my 950. After losing MLB.TV and IM+, I'm very disappointed.
    Wouldn't you agree it's unfair to judge Windows 10 Mobile on an insider build though? Public releases seem to be stable enough.
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    04-20-2016 09:51 PM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Platform seems degrading since you're on insider program and those redstone builds are early buggy builds. Check back in a couple of months time and you'll be surprised with the difference with newer redstone builds with new features
    No, that's not it at all. Now, I'm going to do the latest build that fixes some app launching, but that doesn't change my overall point. MLB.TV is still missing, and saying something like "wait until the season is halfway over, then you might see an app" isn't a good thing. If I miss half of the content because the platform isn't bringing interest that concerns me, that's a bad thing. The Groove Music app is getting better, but the Android copycat design is still in place, and it plain sucks. Pop-out menus aren't good for navigation, in my opinion. What's more, we're still missing years-old things like lockscreen support for that app. Oh, and Unstream hasn't wanted to install for a couple of months. So, telling me to wait a couple of months has me, like, 4 months without the app. That's not reasonable.

    Features really aren't the problem I have. Heck, even the stability issues are something I can live with. End of the day, it's that we're into Year 7 of the Windows Phone relaunch, and I'm into my fifth year on the platform, yet I can't say things have gotten much better since the start. There are a few more apps now that I use than before (really, just TeamViewer), while I can honestly say that the quality has gotten worse for both the hardware (squeaky 950 back plate, lack of hardware innovation) and the UI (pop-out menus are lame). It's not to a point I'd actually consider leaving myself, but I had no trouble telling my sister to just go to Android because Microsoft still hasn't figured it out, and asking someone to miss out on stuff for brand loyalty isn't reasonable.

    Honestly, 6+ years, and the best you can give is the same-old "soon?" That argument just holds no weight anymore. Too many failed reboots and broken promises for people to live off of a vague statement like that and assume improvement. Instead, I'll just keep hoping the progress comes, while having no expectations because not a single one from the past led to anything but disappointment.
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    04-20-2016 09:55 PM
  20. hasasimo's Avatar
    Is it just me or are universal apps picking up momentum?

    How fast are you going?

    Seriously, Android apps are more 'universal' than Windows apps. I can run — and do run — Android apps on my Android phone (of course), Windows 10 desktop, Windows 10 tablet, and Macbook. OK, so I need to be running Bluestacks, but the apps run without any problem on all those devices. When my workplace Office 360 subscription ran out, I just installed Word for Android. Worked a treat.

    And that's a great shame. Windows Mobile is a great OS, but Microsoft screwed up. Again.
    How many people will actually bother with Bluestacks though? And those Android apps don't natively scale or optimize to desktop. Guess time will tell if Microsoft screwed up again as you portend.
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    04-20-2016 10:03 PM
  21. Thomasmas's Avatar
    Wouldn't you agree it's unfair to judge Windows 10 Mobile on an insider build though? Public releases seem to be stable enough.
    Yeah, always the same story. I honestly do not get why people get insider builds if they expect things to be stable and working.
    04-21-2016 12:29 AM
  22. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    They seem to be, at least for the mainstream folks. For me, the platform keeps degrading, in some respects. With the latest build of W10M on the Insider Fast Ring, IM+ no longer works. It'll open from a toast, but not on its own. I tried resetting my phone and uninstalling the app, no dice. Then, it lost its connection, so I can't get toast notifications, making the app unusable. IM+ was probably one of 3 heavily used third-party apps for me (the others being TeamViewer and Unified Remote). ...
    Sir, while I do sympathize that you are getting a buggy experience, I think that insiders have a duty and a responsibility to understand that they are insiders and that rants should be directed at appropriate forums. New builds can break some apps, this is known. That is why the Windows store hides insider ratings for apps. This is a very public forum sir.
    04-21-2016 12:38 AM
  23. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Cool, did they make the Band 3 waterproof and with a better battery? :)
    Snarkiness aside, I'm in the Microsoft ecosystem with Surface Pro 3, Band 2, XBox 360, XBox One and Lumia 640. Microsoft is now really driving the convergence in all platforms, except W10M.

    It’s like their game plan is to develop everything BUT the phone market to such a saturation/acceptance level that consumers will want to get a W10 Phone just to round out the otherwise perfect ecosystem.
    This IS the plan and it's what they need to do. Build on everything else and mobile will fall into place.
    04-21-2016 12:45 AM
  24. hemanlive's Avatar
    I am actually having an opposite experience. When I purchased my Lumia 820, I was not feeling the app gap as much as I do today. The biggest pinch I feel is obviously google and its apps. But besides a lot of new companies have come up and number of apps have gained popularity here in India (local apps). Most of these are not available on windows yet. As the traction for these apps increase, and their own marketing efforts, I do feel that I should at least try it. Some of my friends have switched to Android because of this. Unfortunately, I feel purely in terms of numbers the gap is still increasing (at least till the last quarter). If we see it narrowing down in future, it will be good.
    Having said all of the above, I truly believe that with continuum and UWP, MS may not need much of a choice with developers. They will have to build UWP apps because of sheer volumes. In a way it is good that MS it trying to re-invent the mobile space completely.
    04-21-2016 01:08 AM
  25. n m's Avatar
    no, that's not it at all. Now, i'm going to do the latest build that fixes some app launching, but that doesn't change my overall point. Mlb.tv is still missing, and saying something like "wait until the season is halfway over, then you might see an app" isn't a good thing. If i miss half of the content because the platform isn't bringing interest that concerns me, that's a bad thing. The groove music app is getting better, but the android copycat design is still in place, and it plain sucks. Pop-out menus aren't good for navigation, in my opinion. What's more, we're still missing years-old things like lockscreen support for that app. Oh, and unstream hasn't wanted to install for a couple of months. So, telling me to wait a couple of months has me, like, 4 months without the app. That's not reasonable.

    Features really aren't the problem i have. Heck, even the stability issues are something i can live with. End of the day, it's that we're into year 7 of the windows phone relaunch, and i'm into my fifth year on the platform, yet i can't say things have gotten much better since the start. There are a few more apps now that i use than before (really, just teamviewer), while i can honestly say that the quality has gotten worse for both the hardware (squeaky 950 back plate, lack of hardware innovation) and the ui (pop-out menus are lame). It's not to a point i'd actually consider leaving myself, but i had no trouble telling my sister to just go to android because microsoft still hasn't figured it out, and asking someone to miss out on stuff for brand loyalty isn't reasonable.

    Honestly, 6+ years, and the best you can give is the same-old "soon?" that argument just holds no weight anymore. Too many failed reboots and broken promises for people to live off of a vague statement like that and assume improvement. Instead, i'll just keep hoping the progress comes, while having no expectations because not a single one from the past led to anything but disappointment.
    this ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
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    04-21-2016 03:06 AM
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