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  1. tgp's Avatar
    Honestly, 6+ years, and the best you can give is the same-old "soon?" That argument just holds no weight anymore.
    But the difference is that this time it really is "soon"! Incoming Surface, UWP, OneCore, how can you miss it? /s
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    04-21-2016 07:05 AM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    No, that's not it at all. Now, I'm going to do the latest build that fixes some app launching, but that doesn't change my overall point. MLB.TV is still missing, and saying something like "wait until the season is halfway over, then you might see an app" isn't a good thing. If I miss half of the content because the platform isn't bringing interest that concerns me, that's a bad thing. The Groove Music app is getting better, but the Android copycat design is still in place, and it plain sucks. Pop-out menus aren't good for navigation, in my opinion. What's more, we're still missing years-old things like lockscreen support for that app. Oh, and Unstream hasn't wanted to install for a couple of months. So, telling me to wait a couple of months has me, like, 4 months without the app. That's not reasonable.
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    Honestly, 6+ years, and the best you can give is the same-old "soon?" That argument just holds no weight anymore. Too many failed reboots and broken promises for people to live off of a vague statement like that and assume improvement. Instead, I'll just keep hoping the progress comes, while having no expectations because not a single one from the past led to anything but disappointment.
    Well said. One thing I don't get is some of the replies to your post here. All of them essentially focus on using Insider as a risk already and not about the loss of apps. Losing MLB At Bat is a big disappointment to me. The loss of apps is important. What is the point of having a smartphone if you can't even have the apps that are important to you?

    It's one thing to say, "oh that app is not available for my phone, can we use something else?" and it's another thing to say "oh that app doesn't work for me anymore because it was removed from the app store". The former is what it is, the latter is just awkward.

    It's nice that apps are returning, but if At Bat doesn't return, I will not be returning. There is nothing that compares to the At Bat experience.
    04-21-2016 07:59 AM
  3. DSR11's Avatar
    Yea, no its just you. Sorry.
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    04-21-2016 08:44 AM
  4. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Good discussion here. I work "in the mobile industry"--you could say, and there is definitely more interest now among my co-workers than there has been in a while (since the 920 launched) regarding Windows Phone/Mobile. People want to try my 950 and ask about continuum. Of course, this isn't the same as seeing normal people on the street being interested, but it's something.

    I honestly hadn't noticed so many 1st party UWP apps had hit until @hasasimo listed them out above. Boy, Spotify would be nice. Beyond that, I really do have the majority of the apps that I need. Sure, I would like a full featured Youtube app with notification support, a Wordpress application that is as polished as the apps on iOS and Android, and a Simple banking app (they say no), but I'm pretty set beyond those, and I'm "getting by" with the available Wordpress and Youtube (Perfect Tube is a cool new UWP app) solutions.

    I know we go through these highs and lows all the time, but I definitely feel like we're in a relative "high" at this point in time. It's exciting.
    Reading and listening to what MS has been 'reportedly' saying, your comments sum up where they are heading. They do seem to heading in the corporate direction, and that is probably where they are best placed. The 'man on the street' market is swamped with devices. I don't think it will be long before that market is saturated and the bubble bursts, during which time, MS will have had plenty of R&D time
    04-21-2016 08:47 AM
  5. mdefran65's Avatar
    I work in IT at big finical/Banking firm in NYC and our most requested application is Windows UWP apps.
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    04-21-2016 10:16 AM
  6. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Honestly, 6+ years, and the best you can give is the same-old "soon?" That argument just holds no weight anymore. Too many failed reboots and broken promises for people to live off of a vague statement like that and assume improvement.
    Talk about nail on the head wtih this. EXACTLY how I feel. We keep on getting told many things, and we wait, next version, WAIT and keep waiting...Microsoft just says "Coming soon !", same old story. How many years have they been saying "Tap to Pay" is coming ? At least in their LAST 2 major press statements...and we are STIL waiting..

    I see Microsoft's approch here and it's smarter than I thought. So, let Windows 10 free (I am sure they will exend it)...millions have taken it, put little changes to make it a UMP app, so for most devs it's a very little change and a WHY NOT type of thing. So Microsoft said "Screw Windows Phone for one year, let the apps catch up". Getting Millions of UMP apps in the store WILL TAKE TIME, More people on WIn10, more need for UMP apps, and it keeps working.

    This is Microsoft's last hope for WP...

    I am taking a break from WP because of all the broken promises, My LG G3 (G4 soon, people on ebay are dumb) is working and holding me off. I was always a WP user, directly from PocketPC, So never owned a Android device for a long time (besides to re-sell), I have been on this LG for about a month now... All the LOCAL apps are pretty crazy, Tap to pay, all the missing apps (although only 3-4) from WP are there pluss MANY MORE...

    I miss Windows Phone and I HOPE THIS WORKS but, once you live in a place where tap to pay is everywhere and you have been using it for weeks, No freaking way I could go back to pulling out my credit card every place...

    It really is that nice to have.....Microsoft just get it....FINALLY.

    I would dump Android TODAY, if Tap to pay was back....Most other things I can work through..

    BTW MLB 2016 is nice.... I even get all the updates on my Microsoft band 2 :)
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    04-21-2016 11:53 AM
  7. billy269's Avatar
    Well said. One thing I don't get is some of the replies to your post here. All of them essentially focus on using Insider as a risk already and not about the loss of apps. Losing MLB At Bat is a big disappointment to me. The loss of apps is important. What is the point of having a smartphone if you can't even have the apps that are important to you?

    It's one thing to say, "oh that app is not available for my phone, can we use something else?" and it's another thing to say "oh that app doesn't work for me anymore because it was removed from the app store". The former is what it is, the latter is just awkward.

    It's nice that apps are returning, but if At Bat doesn't return, I will not be returning. There is nothing that compares to the At Bat experience.
    Exactly spot on about the At Bat app. To pull an app that worked great really makes me wonder about the platform. I use At Bat all of the time and not having it on my phone really has me thinking of switching to Android.
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    04-21-2016 12:03 PM
  8. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Wouldn't you agree it's unfair to judge Windows 10 Mobile on an insider build though? Public releases seem to be stable enough.
    This isn't a matter of buggy. This is a matter of core design things that I don't like. That I am on a preview build isn't the reason I am experiencing pop-out menus and clunky navigation design on Groove Music, without lockscreen support we had 3+ years ago. Being on an early build isn't why MLB.TV isn't available. I am not on an Insider build on my PC, yet I still can't get Unstream there--or on my phone. The stability wasn't even good pre-Insider on W10M, it was no better than the Insider version on my 920 (in terms of bugs). You're basically saying my issues are something that I'm not saying they are. Bugs aren't removing the apps I want from the Store or changing the UI.

    Sir, while I do sympathize that you are getting a buggy experience, I think that insiders have a duty and a responsibility to understand that they are insiders and that rants should be directed at appropriate forums. New builds can break some apps, this is known. That is why the Windows store hides insider ratings for apps. This is a very public forum sir.
    Read above. My issues are more with missing apps and UI designs that aren't Insider-related. I can't get Unstream on my W10 desktop, it's not on Insider. I don't like any of the music player iterations since the uncoupling from the OS that happened with WP8.1. This isn't a bug problem. You just decided to highlight the one bug and ignore the rest of my points against where we are at. I actually need to try the newest build with IM+, since they said there were other apps with issues that they fixed, but even if that bug is fixed, it doesn't change the rest of my points. Losing apps isn't a bug problem.
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    04-21-2016 07:19 PM
  9. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    But the difference is that this time it really is "soon"! Incoming Surface, UWP, OneCore, how can you miss it? /s
    The thing is, your sarcasm is kind of sarcastic. Unlike WP7 and WP8, there does seem to be a legitimate, long-term goal with the platform. That's better than the rushed, clumsy messes we've been getting. It's now a question of whether or not people will ever care. Microsoft's the only option that can give folks a truly seamless experience, but they're so far behind in the biggest market--smartphones--that it might not matter. They're similarly way behind on consoles, while the lead they have is with PC, and the biggest money maker there (enterprise) doesn't even make sure of the Store platform well, if at all.

    Well said. One thing I don't get is some of the replies to your post here. All of them essentially focus on using Insider as a risk already and not about the loss of apps. Losing MLB At Bat is a big disappointment to me. The loss of apps is important. What is the point of having a smartphone if you can't even have the apps that are important to you?

    It's one thing to say, "oh that app is not available for my phone, can we use something else?" and it's another thing to say "oh that app doesn't work for me anymore because it was removed from the app store". The former is what it is, the latter is just awkward.

    It's nice that apps are returning, but if At Bat doesn't return, I will not be returning. There is nothing that compares to the At Bat experience.
    Agreed, though I'm not ready to leave the platform. End of the day, I will never touch anything Apple puts out. They will never, EVER receive my money. I cannot stand that company or the people running it. Google's better, but I am still leery of a company built on data mining of personal information, and my time with Android wasn't all that pleasant. I've never been very app-driven, but like you said, it's one thing to live without an app from the start. Getting it, then losing it, is another problem entirely.

    I actually sent MLB.TV support an e-mail, asking if they were planning to bring the app back. The response was "it's available on Android, iOS, and other devices. Call our help line if you have more questions." I sent a reply that was essentially "thanks for that useless statement." I'll continue to not give MLB.TV my money before I go to Android, to be honest. There just aren't many apps I want, and none so important I'd make the most basic things about my phone a nightmare (music, navigation, clutter).

    Talk about nail on the head wtih this. EXACTLY how I feel. We keep on getting told many things, and we wait, next version, WAIT and keep waiting...Microsoft just says "Coming soon !", same old story. How many years have they been saying "Tap to Pay" is coming ? At least in their LAST 2 major press statements...and we are STIL waiting..

    I see Microsoft's approch here and it's smarter than I thought. So, let Windows 10 free (I am sure they will exend it)...millions have taken it, put little changes to make it a UMP app, so for most devs it's a very little change and a WHY NOT type of thing. So Microsoft said "Screw Windows Phone for one year, let the apps catch up". Getting Millions of UMP apps in the store WILL TAKE TIME, More people on WIn10, more need for UMP apps, and it keeps working.

    This is Microsoft's last hope for WP...

    I am taking a break from WP because of all the broken promises, My LG G3 (G4 soon, people on ebay are dumb) is working and holding me off. I was always a WP user, directly from PocketPC, So never owned a Android device for a long time (besides to re-sell), I have been on this LG for about a month now... All the LOCAL apps are pretty crazy, Tap to pay, all the missing apps (although only 3-4) from WP are there pluss MANY MORE...

    I miss Windows Phone and I HOPE THIS WORKS but, once you live in a place where tap to pay is everywhere and you have been using it for weeks, No freaking way I could go back to pulling out my credit card every place...

    It really is that nice to have.....Microsoft just get it....FINALLY.

    I would dump Android TODAY, if Tap to pay was back....Most other things I can work through..

    BTW MLB 2016 is nice.... I even get all the updates on my Microsoft band 2 :)
    That's pathetic, seeing that you can get updates on the Band 2, but not the W10M platform. As stated above, I won't leave the platform. This is definitely Microsoft's last, best chance for a meaningful mobile experience. Thing is, it's now to a point where you have to wonder which happens first--Consumers and developers catch on to the platform or smartphones start dying off?
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    04-21-2016 07:28 PM
  10. hasasimo's Avatar
    This isn't a matter of buggy. This is a matter of core design things that I don't like. That I am on a preview build isn't the reason I am experiencing pop-out menus and clunky navigation design on Groove Music, without lockscreen support we had 3+ years ago. Being on an early build isn't why MLB.TV isn't available. I am not on an Insider build on my PC, yet I still can't get Unstream there--or on my phone. The stability wasn't even good pre-Insider on W10M, it was no better than the Insider version on my 920 (in terms of bugs). You're basically saying my issues are something that I'm not saying they are. Bugs aren't removing the apps I want from the Store or changing the UI.
    Fair enough, it's just that your initial reply in the thread seemed to emphasize instability with your insider build. I think that's why most responses to you focused on that as well. Your subsequent posts expounded upon the other issues a bit more. You have every right to hate that MLB.TV is missing... not huge on baseball myself but as an avid sports fan in general, I would be irked too.
    04-21-2016 08:16 PM
  11. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    Microsoft's strength is in the Full Windows Desktop/Server/Tablet OS not it's smart phones businesses and Apps
    Developers know this and make Universal Apps because they can run nice on a 7 inch Windows tablet right up to big Microsoft wall mounted 50 plus inch HUB Microsoft conference computer monitor hybrid. Microsoft is pushing developers and businesses to adapt to making Microsoft universal Apps because Windows 10 is now on 270 Million devices and more are coming everyday
    04-21-2016 10:26 PM
  12. hasasimo's Avatar
    Quick update: Since making that list a few days ago, Hive, Tado (both smart thermostats), Cineplex, This is Money (from The Daily Mail) have all released UWAs. These are all first-party.
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    04-21-2016 11:25 PM
  13. libra89's Avatar
    Tell me when Mint comes back. I'll wait.

    To me, the MLB app is important. I consider it important enough to change platforms (but to be fair, I have always wanted to see what this difference between apps on WP/WM and Android/iOS is anyway and whoa there is one). I might just be a fan, sure, but the way things are going lately, I haven't been able to watch barely any of the games so getting the play by play and such is great.
    04-22-2016 07:09 AM
  14. Joe920's Avatar
    Tell me when Mint comes back. I'll wait.
    Right? That was an annoying loss. I tried the iOS version, but I found the WP8 and Win8.1 so much more pleasant. I still don't understand why they killed perfectly decent apps. I ended up deleting my account and looked at Prism, but I'm not sure I trust those guys enough.

    Sent from mTalk, a great Tapatalk alternative
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    04-22-2016 07:18 AM
  15. Kerry2112's Avatar
    It's funny, as a new convert to Windows phone (picked up my first in mid-February 2016), I just assume apps AREN'T available sometimes. Came as a pleasant surprise this morning, for example, to see a very nice Windows 10 app for Cineplex (an app I used all the time on Android). Don't know when it became available but the Cineplex website does not list a Windows Phone version on its Apps page, so it must be relatively new. A small positive sign but a welcome one nonetheless.
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    04-22-2016 08:32 AM
  16. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    I have Unstream running on all my Windows 10 devices Phone, tablet and desktop.
    04-22-2016 08:36 AM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    That's pathetic, seeing that you can get updates on the Band 2, but not the W10M platform. As stated above, I won't leave the platform. This is definitely Microsoft's last, best chance for a meaningful mobile experience. Thing is, it's now to a point where you have to wonder which happens first--Consumers and developers catch on to the platform or smartphones start dying off?
    Well, I have not LEFT the platform, I still have my ICON on my desk and I do swap out for a few days. In fact I am going back to it for the weekend (swapping blu-tooth over takes like 3 min).

    After the forever waiting for even BASIC features that other phones have, I have changed my approch to this. Swapping time to time. Android IS a mess, it's all over the place, with ICON views, it might as well be an iPhone, just screens over tiles.

    With that being said, It's not too bad. The Phone does what it does and for the most part, it does ok with it. The app selection is nice but, still maybe about 7-10 apps installed (8 of them are NOT available on Windows Phone).

    I just wish Microsoft would get their stuff together here, years of waiting for basic features is BEYOND old now. Now another year where they are not doing anything ? LOL
    Last edited by Laura Knotek; 04-23-2016 at 01:45 AM. Reason: language
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    04-22-2016 09:55 AM
  18. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Fair enough, it's just that your initial reply in the thread seemed to emphasize instability with your insider build. I think that's why most responses to you focused on that as well. Your subsequent posts expounded upon the other issues a bit more. You have every right to hate that MLB.TV is missing... not huge on baseball myself but as an avid sports fan in general, I would be irked too.
    Yeah, that's because IM+ was a new problem that was a big deal to me. At Bat hasn't worked in weeks and was pulled. I wasn't subscribed to MLB.TV yet, so I didn't care. Like I've mentioned before, I don't use many apps, so when one stops working or disappears, you're talking a larger chunk of my phone's usefulness that goes away. IM+ is probably top-5 for me, in terms of most-used (the others would probably be Groove Music, TeamViewer, Unified Remote, and Messaging).

    Well, I have not LEFT the platform, I still have my ICON on my desk and I do swap out for a few days. In fact I am going back to it for the weekend (swapping blu-tooth over takes like 3 min).

    After the forever waiting for even BASIC features that other phones have, I have changed my approch to this. Swapping time to time. Android IS a mess, it's all over the place, with ICON views, it might as well be an iPhone, just screens over tiles.

    With that being said, It's not too bad. The Phone does what it does and for the most part, it does ok with it. The app selection is nice but, still maybe about 7-10 apps installed (8 of them are NOT available on Windows Phone).

    I just wish Microsoft would get their S.H.I.T. together here, years of waiting for basic features is BEYOND old now. Now another year where they are not doing anything ? LOL
    It would be nice, yeah. I'm just not an app-driven person, so I miss out on more just by general exclusion, rather than because my platform choice. Even now, I can only think of 4 apps I'd like to get to W10M (Trillian, MLB At Bat, GAME Golf Live, and a Disney parks app).

    Quick update: Since making that list a few days ago, Hive, Tado (both smart thermostats), Cineplex, This is Money (from The Daily Mail) have all released UWAs. These are all first-party.
    I can honestly say I've never heard of any of those. What are they?
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    04-22-2016 11:22 AM
  19. Magikal's Avatar
    Unfortunately, no.
    The universal apps are struggling. They're way behind complete. The only one which is quite useful is twitter. Actually they've released their Universal app unexpectedly fast.
    Facebook Messenger seems to be abandoned. Yup, there's been some rumors ever since October last year that Messenger is nearly there. 7 months later - still *nearly* there.
    Facebook app is crap, despite Microsoft's desperate attempts to fix that - still buggy, still not useful.
    Instagram made some progress by porting their iOS app to WM. Still buggy and unfinished.

    Seems to me that everything is developing at a very slow pace, and that makes Microsoft lose even more customers. I still don't get it - one of the biggest IT companies, with almost unlimited resourses - both human and capital, can't fix the app gap. And don't give me that "its up to the developers" crap.
    04-22-2016 11:45 AM
  20. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Well, I have not LEFT the platform, I still have my ICON on my desk and I do swap out for a few days. In fact I am going back to it for the weekend (swapping blu-tooth over takes like 3 min).

    After the forever waiting for even BASIC features that other phones have, I have changed my approch to this. Swapping time to time. Android IS a mess, it's all over the place, with ICON views, it might as well be an iPhone, just screens over tiles.

    With that being said, It's not too bad. The Phone does what it does and for the most part, it does ok with it. The app selection is nice but, still maybe about 7-10 apps installed (8 of them are NOT available on Windows Phone).

    I just wish Microsoft would get their stuff together here, years of waiting for basic features is BEYOND old now. Now another year where they are not doing anything ? LOL
    What basic features would this be out of curiosity? I haven't used iOS and haven't used android in a while so I'm not aware of "what I am missing"
    Last edited by Laura Knotek; 04-23-2016 at 01:45 AM.
    04-22-2016 12:01 PM
  21. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    I am happy with the Facebook and Twitter apps that I have on the Windows platform.



    I do not want their ads and suggestions crap that you get on IOS and Android.



    I prefer to catch up with what is going on on Facebook and Twitter using the Windows clients.



    I do not want Facebook and Twitter telling me what,I should be looking at.
    Last edited by Grant Taylor3; 04-23-2016 at 01:01 PM.
    04-23-2016 01:42 AM
  22. cracgor's Avatar
    Unfortunately, no.
    The universal apps are struggling. They're way behind complete. The only one which is quite useful is twitter. Actually they've released their Universal app unexpectedly fast.
    Facebook Messenger seems to be abandoned. Yup, there's been some rumors ever since October last year that Messenger is nearly there. 7 months later - still *nearly* there.
    Facebook app is crap, despite Microsoft's desperate attempts to fix that - still buggy, still not useful.
    Instagram made some progress by porting their iOS app to WM. Still buggy and unfinished.

    Seems to me that everything is developing at a very slow pace, and that makes Microsoft lose even more customers. I still don't get it - one of the biggest IT companies, with almost unlimited resourses - both human and capital, can't fix the app gap. And don't give me that "its up to the developers" crap.
    To top it off, the UWP hail mary to fix the phone's app gap hinges on the need for PC apps to drive the windows phone store. While I use a lot of apps on my phone regularly (guitar tab, musescore, roku, quickremote, uptodate, medscape, khan academy, kindle, several chess apps, gpb/npr, pandora, amazon music, fxnow, hbogo, xfinity go, youtube, netflix, office suite, camera, chrome, facebook messenger, waze, wordpress, twitter, instagram, facebook, myfitness pal, fit, runtastic pro, synology suite of apps, banking apps, etc); I rarely use any apps on my Surface. I have downloaded and even paid for apps, but when it comes down to it, I use Office, Photoshop, and Chrome most which are just normal software. I have paid for FL Studio Groove and use it from time to time. Otherwise, I will use Netflix, FX Now, NPR NOW, and Audials Radio. Some things just make more sense in my life to use my phone for (myfitness pal, facebook, instagram, etc). When apps don't exist, it is normally just as easy for a pc to go to the website (like HBO Go).
    04-23-2016 09:06 PM
  23. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    I tend to run the apps across all my devices Amazōn, Audible, Kindle, Groove Music, Grover Pro, PDF Rader, Office Mobile and a few others.




    I do have full office on one of my PC's but everything else has Mobile. I like being able to start listening to a podcast on my phone and finish in on my desktop or tablet.



    I like having the same apps across my devices. I do not run all the same apps on all devices but things like Audible, Kindle, Groove Music and Grover Pro are great to run on every device.

    I also have the usual Facebook, Twitter and Windows Central on all devices.

    Having the choice of what device to use is great. Before if I wanted to listen to a podcast I would have to use my phone or use a different app on the PC and have my phone out of sync.

    Now I have a choice of podcast apps Cast & Grover Pro that I can run on my Desktop, Phone and Tablet.

    It will also be great to be able to add the Xbox One to that list.
    Last edited by Grant Taylor3; 04-24-2016 at 04:26 AM.
    04-24-2016 04:01 AM
  24. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    To top it off, the UWP hail mary to fix the phone's app gap hinges on the need for PC apps to drive the windows phone store. While I use a lot of apps on my phone regularly (guitar tab, musescore, roku, quickremote, uptodate, medscape, khan academy, kindle, several chess apps, gpb/npr, pandora, amazon music, fxnow, hbogo, xfinity go, youtube, netflix, office suite, camera, chrome, facebook messenger, waze, wordpress, twitter, instagram, facebook, myfitness pal, fit, runtastic pro, synology suite of apps, banking apps, etc); I rarely use any apps on my Surface. I have downloaded and even paid for apps, but when it comes down to it, I use Office, Photoshop, and Chrome most which are just normal software. I have paid for FL Studio Groove and use it from time to time. Otherwise, I will use Netflix, FX Now, NPR NOW, and Audials Radio. Some things just make more sense in my life to use my phone for (myfitness pal, facebook, instagram, etc). When apps don't exist, it is normally just as easy for a pc to go to the website (like HBO Go).
    That has always been my contention too in that it's irrelevant that the phone shares the app platform with the desktop if there is no reason for it to be on the desktop in the first place.

    I am guessing the assumption is that the desktop market will shrink and more people will be moving to Surface type devices where perhaps some of those phone apps might make a little more sense, although using a tablet at the Starbucks drive thru or tracking your fitness activities might still be a bit of a stretch
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    04-24-2016 02:27 PM
  25. cracgor's Avatar
    although using a tablet at the Starbucks drive thru or tracking your fitness activities might still be a bit of a stretch
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    And this is why my one bicep is so jacked!
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    04-24-2016 04:27 PM
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