04-22-2016 10:22 PM
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  1. rmarcin's Avatar
    Hi!

    This is my first post here, I hope I am not posting a new thread in a wrong place, please correct me if I am wrong :-)

    Small question to you,
    So we know 520, 530, 530 DS, 620, 625, 630, 630 DS, 720, 820, 920, 925, 1020 i 1320 could get Windows 10 using Insider Program and it worked well or less well depending on phone, or user's expectation. When it comes to official Windows 10 Mobile Update, they did not receive it.

    I have found a theory started by polish Windows Phone blogger, that when Redstone 1 will become official, the next bunch of phones ( 430, 435, 532, 535, 540, 635 (1GB), 636 (1GB), 638 (1GB), 640, 640 XL, 730, 735, 830, 930, 1520.) will be cut off from the official Redstone 1 update and the only phones that will get the update in a official way will be the phones that are sold already with W10 preinstalled.

    What is your opinion on that?
    04-19-2016 04:54 AM
  2. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Did it based on what real facts?
    04-19-2016 05:20 AM
  3. Ma Rio's Avatar
    Seems unlikely. I mean, they'll have to cut off some of those devices eventually, but I doubt it will be with RS1.
    04-19-2016 08:24 AM
  4. EspHack's Avatar
    too soon, but for RS2 that's a resounding yes, I'm still wondering how the 435 with a slower dual core than the old S4 made it into w10m, if anything you can expect the 930-1520 to make it to RS2, nothing else
    Maurizio Troso likes this.
    04-20-2016 01:24 AM
  5. rmarcin's Avatar
    he is just assuming that. they ended support for phones that came with WP 8.0 preinstalled, so he thinks with a next big update, the won't support phones with WP 8.1 preinstalled
    04-20-2016 02:43 AM
  6. charlatan1978's Avatar
    All sounds a bit anecdotal.
    As with the last cut off, MS will likely choose which phones continue with official and development builds based on user feedback.
    04-20-2016 03:55 AM
  7. milkyway's Avatar
    could be, yes. currently RS builds don't support the 635 while it got the "official" W10M update - and I find that very suspicious.

    what really hurts is that I thought I could stay with my 1020 on 10586 and will get all the future app updates. but since the news about the VLC app were released where they stated "our app will be Redstone only" I think that all the UWA will be Redstone-only in the near future
    04-20-2016 04:21 AM
  8. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    Maybe some of the phones will be cut out, but I doubt Lumia 930 will be removed. Has 2GB of RAM and fully capable Snapdragon CPU.
    04-20-2016 06:36 AM
  9. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Maybe some of the phones will be cut out, but I doubt Lumia 930 will be removed. Has 2GB of RAM and fully capable Snapdragon CPU.
    It depends on user feedback. Units will be chosen based on telemetry/feedback given closer to the RTM during optimization. So it's not guaranteed really.
    04-20-2016 08:22 AM
  10. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    It depends on user feedback. Units will be chosen based on telemetry/feedback given closer to the RTM during optimization. So it's not guaranteed really.
    I hear more complaints about Lumia 950 & XL than 930 on insider feedback hub, so I really doubt it.
    Most of the builds run ok-ish on the 930, battery drainage is the only issue but that is something to bear while having an insider build.
    04-20-2016 08:25 AM
  11. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    It depends on user feedback. Units will be chosen based on telemetry/feedback given closer to the RTM during optimization. So it's not guaranteed really.
    Better than user there are the autoreports and telemetries collected during Insider program
    04-20-2016 08:35 AM
  12. xandros9's Avatar
    I have no idea what to think, it sounds a bit too unrealistic, but Microsoft has shown that we can't really know what is "beneath them."

    I suspect that if MS believes it will help the bottom line, they will throw whatever 10 Mobile users remain under the bus and claim the bugs inherent to 10 Mobile are the cause.
    a5cent likes this.
    04-20-2016 10:53 AM
  13. dlalonde's Avatar
    he is just assuming that. they ended support for phones that came with WP 8.0 preinstalled, so he thinks with a next big update, the won't support phones with WP 8.1 preinstalled
    Oh so there's no actual sources, it's just a theory based on the 512 MB devices debacle?

    Then again I don't see what Redstone could have that would be more buggy on phones that originally came with 8.1 vs the current W10m builds.
    04-20-2016 11:40 AM
  14. segadc's Avatar
    I suspect that if MS believes it will help the bottom line, they will throw whatever 10 Mobile users remain under the bus and claim the bugs inherent to 10 Mobile are the cause.
    LOL yeah the way this is going, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
    xandros9 likes this.
    04-20-2016 12:11 PM
  15. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Just release new Redstone
    04-20-2016 12:18 PM
  16. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I hear more complaints about Lumia 950 & XL than 930 on insider feedback hub, so I really doubt it.
    Most of the builds run ok-ish on the 930, battery drainage is the only issue but that is something to bear while having an insider build.
    That's because the phones offer more features. Continuum, windows hello, etc. But in reality it isn't that bad. And 950/950xl will always be higher priority as the end game is a centralized device for all your computing needs. This is what will bring mobile back. New data from an australian company show that phone sales are dipping and dipping. People don't really have too much reason to update as these phones are expensive but are limited to their use. From the rumors iphone 7 may help apple regain some sales as it seems like it will be a big update for apple fans. Not to mention the new nm process they will use with TMSC promises to allow some insane battery life. So this one will be big just for the battery life alone. Coupled with an amoled screen, thinner, and likely a super fast cpu with the new process.
    04-20-2016 02:09 PM
  17. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    That's no longer true. The latest Redstone release supports the Lumia 635.
    dlalonde likes this.
    04-20-2016 09:22 PM
  18. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Actually it's looking like the iPhone 7 will be a pretty small update over the iPhone 6s. The rumors I've heard point to the 2017 being the huge revamp. AMOLED, new glass design, etcetera.
    04-20-2016 09:23 PM
  19. EspHack's Avatar
    Maybe some of the phones will be cut out, but I doubt Lumia 930 will be removed. Has 2GB of RAM and fully capable Snapdragon CPU.
    that wont matter if the coders forget the sd800 exist, even its raw perf wont be able to compensate after a certain point, lets say if they start using h265 as default video decoder
    04-21-2016 02:57 PM
  20. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    that wont matter if the coders forget the sd800 exist, even its raw perf wont be able to compensate after a certain point, lets say if they start using h265 as default video decoder
    You got a point here, yet if I really think about it, my phone will be 2 years old at the end of the summer, so the cycle ends for my Lumia 930. Maybe there is reason for the phone to not receive Redstone official.

    My problem is that what is on the market now (even the Elite X3) does not satisfy me. My concerns are regarding build quality, my Lumia 930 was and is a tank, the phone doesn't bend, the screen doesn't shatter from drops, hats off to the Nokia team for this!
    I saw a bend test with Lumia 950, jesus, you can almost fold it.
    04-22-2016 03:31 AM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    too soon, but for RS2 that's a resounding yes, I'm still wondering how the 435 with a slower dual core than the old S4 made it into w10m, if anything you can expect the 930-1520 to make it to RS2, nothing else
    The reason you're still wondering is because you (and some others here) assume being cut off is somehow related to hardware capabilities, i.e. primarily raw performance. It's really not! It's about economics, or more precisely, the benefits and costs of supporting particular devices vs. not supporting them. That's all.
    Your assumptions about the 930 and 1520 are wrong for the same reasons.
    dlalonde likes this.
    04-22-2016 04:07 AM
  22. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    The reason you're still wondering is because you (and some others here) assume being cut off is somehow related to hardware capabilities, i.e. primarily raw performance. It's really not! It's about economics, or more precisely, the benefits and costs of supporting particular devices vs. not supporting them. That's all.
    Your assumptions about the 930 and 1520 are wrong for the same reasons.
    True, but they should do this effort since there aren't too much alternative out there for the 930 or 1520, don't tell me about the 950 and the 950 XL, the build quality on those 2 devices is pure crap. They bend, they squeak when they are in hand..only the screen is better.
    That's why I am betting they will support the 930 at least, if they don't, me and a lot others will find themselves jumping ship, there is no device out there that meets our needs.
    HP Elite X3 I understand it will be sold first to business, not to customer, if you want to buy it you have to do it via their website so very limited release.
    Acer Jade Primo is somehow a candidate, but fails in battery specs.
    04-22-2016 05:44 AM
  23. broar94's Avatar
    ^ also based on feedback from insider builds.
    04-22-2016 05:48 AM
  24. a5cent's Avatar
    True, but they should do this effort since there aren't too much alternative out there for the 930 or 1520.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying MS shouldn't make the effort. I'm just saying that the whole notion of current hardware being unable to adequately run W10M is BS.

    W10M does absolutely nothing that would technically prevent it from running just fine on L520s and L720s. For some reason MS just doesn't consider that capability worth the required investment.

    ^ also based on feedback from insider builds.
    That's barely more than an excuse.

    W10M is software. MS can make it run perfectly on any x20 generation hardware they want it to run on. If W10M doesn't run sufficiently "well" on some devices (whatever that means), then MS has two choices:

    • keep investing in and improving the software so it eventually gains the ability to run sufficiently well on the desired platforms
    • decide the required investment isn't worth the potential gain and bail

    MS chose the second option and needed some way of explaining it. For some reason their excuse worked very well, likely because it achieved the goal of shifting the "blame" away from themselves. That's the only thing that explanation/excuse has going for it.
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    04-22-2016 06:24 AM
  25. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they shouldn't make the effort. I'm just saying that the whole notion of current hardware being unable to adequately run W10M is BS. The opposite is closer to the truth, namely that the OS is neither flexible nor lean enough to run on existing hardware, which it definitely could be.



    That's barely more than an excuse.

    W10M is software. MS can make it run on anything they want it to run on. If W10M doesn't run sufficiently "well" on some devices (whatever that means), then MS has two choices:

    a) keep investing and improving in the software to eventually gain the capability to run sufficiently well.
    b) decide the required investment isn't worth the potential gain

    MS chose option "b" and needed some way of explaining it. For some reason their excuse worked very well, likely because it achieved the goal of shifting the "blame" away from themselves. That's the only thing that explanation/excuse has going for it.
    There's the c) option: invest in a little add-on for a light version, e.g. without any Aero animation, fadings, popups, or a graphic toggle for them
    04-22-2016 06:28 AM
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