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  1. slyronit's Avatar
    Ever since Windows 10 was launched, I have remained cautiously optimistic about the future of Windows 10 Mobile. Sure, devs have been losing interest in the platform, but

    1. With UWP, devs have the incentive of developing not for WM10, but for Windows 10
    2. Windows is the only OS that scales across all form factors AND CPU architecture


    However, I must admit that the doom and gloom being spread by various news outlets recently has gotten to me. First Tom Warren, then Paul Thurrot and now Mary Jo-Foley have pronounced the death of Windows Mobile. Note that these people are not news trolls, but long time Microsoft evangelists (Especially Paul and Mary) who have championed the cause of MS for 2 decades now. I can either hope for them to be horribly wrong, or hope that their predictions don't actually kill Windows Mobile (Devs thinking, if these people have jumped ship, why should we stick around?). Now the death of Intel's Atom and the Surface Phone looks even more distant now.

    I started thinking over the weekend, if Windows 10 Mobile were to die, what would I do? We know MS wouldn't kill it off soon, for me death is remaining apps (Whatsapp, FB etc) leaving, too and making the phone all but useless.

    Me, I would stick around as much as possible, as I am more entrenched in Microsoft's Ecosystem, rather than apps. If worst comes to worst, I would probably jump to iOS, as I cannot stand Google or Android.

    I would be giving up these things, moving from Windows 10 to iOS

    1. Superb OneDrive integration-Seamless auto-upload of images and deleting images from the phone as well as OneDrive at the same time. iCloud is pathetic in comparison, I regularly share OneDrive albums with people via the web, you can't do that on iCloud
    2. Outlook - Windows 10's stock email app is better than the stock iOS email app any day. Yes, I can use the Outlook Mail client on iOS, but using an app is not the same thing. It doesn't do background sync of emails as well
    3. Live Tiles - I think this is the area where iOS is most lacking. The Home screen is useless and a waste of space on big screen phones.
    4. Wireless Charging - I have three wireless chargers at home, one in my car and one at office. All that investment would go to waste
    5. Glance - Unlocking your phone each time to check for notifications is such a waste of time and battery
    6. Money - I have a 950XL. To replace it with an iPhone (Plus variant) with at least 64Gb of memory would cost almost twice as much
    7. Loss if integration with Windows 10 on the desktop and iPhone


    What I would be gaining

    1. Much better camera app with true burst. No, picking frames from videos or that horrible implementation of burst on W10 Mobile cannot even come close to iOS
    2. Apps - Even though I don't use many apps, maybe once I am able to use them, I would?


    Do the rest of you have a Plan B?
    05-02-2016 04:30 AM
  2. Bobvfr's Avatar
    05-02-2016 04:33 AM
  3. harihar akhil's Avatar
    OneDrive integration.did you even try OneDrive on android device- their android app is miles a head compared to abandoned windows phone 8.1 app.

    Also outlook uwa on android is miles a head compared to windows 10 and dead 8.1
    05-02-2016 05:35 AM
  4. Cruachan 11's Avatar
    OneDrive integration.did you even try OneDrive on android device- their android app is miles a head compared to abandoned windows phone 8.1 app.

    Also outlook uwa on android is miles a head compared to windows 10 and dead 8.1
    I don't agree, I think the Outlook app on Android is awful and the OneDrive app not much better. I much prefer the W10M versions.
    05-02-2016 05:52 AM
  5. slyronit's Avatar
    No, I refuse to try anything Google, although I agree that feature-wise, Android is a closer replacement to Windows Mobile than iOS is; not sure of these apps.
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    05-02-2016 07:09 AM
  6. Joe920's Avatar
    Me, I would stick around as much as possible, as I am more entrenched in Microsoft's Ecosystem, rather than apps. If worst comes to worst, I would probably jump to iOS, as I cannot stand Google or Android.
    I double checked to make sure that I didn't post this myself. :) I think I'd also go iOS, with 128GB storage to get around the lack of memory card access. I wouldn't like to lose drag and drop of media files, dual SIM, and wireless charging, but I'll live. I do like how responsive iOS is. Plus I still have a bunch of apps from my iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPad Air 1, and iPad Pro 12.9.

    I really do like the pricing on the Nexus line though, but I guess I dislike Google's practices more than I dislike Apples high prices.
    05-02-2016 07:25 AM
  7. pankaj981's Avatar
    1) OneDrive sync is not robust enough on either iOS/Android (stock), this is from personal experience
    2) Though pics taken on the flagship iOS device are fast and in most cases in focus and look great on the device's screen, actual quality is not as good as any of the recent Nexus or android flagships. Video quality is one of the best on iOS, especially IS. Windows (current) flagships maintain a balance between both, sometimes (in most cases) outpacing both.
    3) (this is for the above poster) outlook on android being cluttered does not necessarily make it superior. I've used it on a Nexus 5X and as powerful or feature rich it may be, Doze completely kills off the experience by delaying notifications and frequent slow downs at cost of battery improvements..something WM excels in.
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    05-02-2016 07:29 AM
  8. slyronit's Avatar
    I double checked to make sure that I didn't post this myself. :) I think I'd also go iOS, with 128GB storage to get around the lack of memory card access. I wouldn't like to lose drag and drop of media files, dual SIM, and wireless charging, but I'll live. I do like how responsive iOS is. Plus I still have a bunch of apps from my iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPad Air 1, and iPad Pro 12.9.

    I really do like the pricing on the Nexus line though, but I guess I dislike Google's practices more than I dislike Apples high prices.
    Yeah, it's not that I haven't thought of Android myself, but the latest Nexus have horrible displays in bright sunlight and I would rather not use a phone than use one with S-/Mi/Sense bloat on them and wait 6 months for updates.

    Plus Google is evil.
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    05-02-2016 07:29 AM
  9. libra89's Avatar
    OneDrive photo upload has improved recently on iOS, because now you can choose to upload photos from messages without saving them first to the phone.

    As for my plan B, I'm on iOS now, keeping an eye on W10M, hoping for things to improve. I'm really loving iOS but if what I like returns, I'll be glad to try out Windows 10 Mobile.
    05-02-2016 07:29 AM
  10. Joe920's Avatar
    I would rather not use a phone than use one with S-/Mi/Sense bloat on them and wait 6 months for updates.
    Definitely, at this point I would only consider first party phones, MS, Google, or Apple. I'm looking forward to next year's flagship phones, and the app situation. Although maybe I should try to hold on to $600 toys for longer than a year..
    05-02-2016 07:33 AM
  11. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    My plan B is stick with windows 10 till they give up. Androids fragmentation sucks so I may go.... iOS or the one I want Ubuntu Phone.
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    05-02-2016 07:33 AM
  12. slyronit's Avatar
    1) OneDrive sync is not robust enough on either iOS/Android (stock), this is from personal experience
    2) Though pics taken on the flagship iOS device are fast and in most cases in focus and look great on the device's screen, actual quality is not as good as any of the recent Nexus or android flagships. Video quality is one of the best on iOS, especially IS. Windows (current) flagships maintain a balance between both, sometimes (in most cases) outpacing both.
    3) (this is for the above poster) outlook on android being cluttered does not necessarily make it superior. I've used it on a Nexus 5X and as powerful or feature rich it may be, Doze completely kills off the experience by delaying notifications and frequent slow downs at cost of battery improvements..something WM excels in.
    I miss true burst on my 950XL. Actual burst is being able to take at least 2-3 full res images per second (depending on light conditions and hence exposure), then grouping them together. My 830 had this and worked beautifully. In WM10, they replaced it with

    1. Fake Burst - It just takes 7-8 pictures in series and saves them as individual images. I am not even doing DNG
    2. Picking photos from 4k video - Unfortunately, in this case photo quality suffers. Videos are 30fps, so exposure is exactly 1/30 for each image + video compression

    iPhone does this beautifully.
    05-02-2016 07:34 AM
  13. slyronit's Avatar
    Although maybe I should try to hold on to $600 toys for longer than a year..
    Easier said than done :-)
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    05-02-2016 07:35 AM
  14. slyronit's Avatar
    OneDrive photo upload has improved recently on iOS, because now you can choose to upload photos from messages without saving them first to the phone.

    As for my plan B, I'm on iOS now, keeping an eye on W10M, hoping for things to improve. I'm really loving iOS but if what I like returns, I'll be glad to try out Windows 10 Mobile.
    Curious to know, did you continue to use MS services on the iPhone, or have you moved over to Google/Apple's services?
    05-02-2016 07:41 AM
  15. wplee's Avatar
    Microsoft won't give up on Windows 10 Mobile mostly because it now requires so little effort to maintain. 90% of the dev is used in the desktop anyway, also true with Universal Apps.

    The problem is mobile hardware. Microsoft appear to have halted everything with Lumia and now all hope rests on Surface Phone or 3rd party companies like HP or Xiaomi.

    So I actually think now is a pretty great time to go to your Plan B. Grab a Nexus 5X or iPhone SE, enjoy Apps for 18 months and see where Microsoft are in mid-2017 with Surface Phone.

    The Missing Apps will come to Windows. I know we joke but they will come purely on the success of Windows 10 (desktop). The install base is already at 300m, there's only so long Snapchat etc can ignore that many users and making one Universal App is a no brainer. This weeks new Facebook, Messenger & Instagram updates are a great nod to future commitments.

    So these next 18 months are a great time to live with Android/iOS, you can always come back next year?
    05-02-2016 08:08 AM
  16. TheJoester09's Avatar
    Originally posted by Cruachan 11
    Originally Posted by harihar akhil
    OneDrive integration.did you even try OneDrive on android device- their android app is miles a head compared to abandoned windows phone 8.1 app.

    Also outlook uwa on android is miles a head compared to windows 10 and dead 8.1
    I don't agree, I think the Outlook app on Android is awful and the OneDrive app not much better. I much prefer the W10M versions.
    I agree 100%. My plan b was to switch to Android, which I did for about 4 months before I finally broke down and switched to AT&T with a 950 XL. People here love talking about how MS apps are better on Android, but I was miserable with it. Outlook was trash, OneDrive was about the same as the current W10M app, and Office was pretty bad too. W10M isn't perfect, but it's better than Android. The latest Redstone build on my XL is far, far more stable than Marshmallow, and that's pretty sad.

    To answer the initial question, if I absolutely had to switch away I would no doubt go iOS. I'm never touching Android again.
    05-02-2016 08:28 AM
  17. TheJoester09's Avatar
    I agree 100%. My plan b was to switch to Android, which I did for about 4 months before I finally broke down and switched to AT&T with a 950 XL. People here love talking about how MS apps are better on Android, but I was miserable with it. Outlook was trash, OneDrive was about the same as the current W10M app, and Office was pretty bad too. W10M isn't perfect, but it's better than Android. The latest Redstone build on my XL is far, far more stable than Marshmallow, and that's pretty sad.

    To answer the initial question, if I absolutely had to switch away I would no doubt go iOS. I'm never touching Android again.
    I'll also say that my tolerance for bugs on W10M is much higher than on Android because when W10M works, it works really well. Android, even at its best, pales in comparison.

    Just my opinion. Apologies for veering off topic.
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    05-02-2016 08:36 AM
  18. slyronit's Avatar
    Microsoft won't give up on Windows 10 Mobile mostly because it now requires so little effort to maintain. 90% of the dev is used in the desktop anyway, also true with Universal Apps.

    The problem is mobile hardware. Microsoft appear to have halted everything with Lumia and now all hope rests on Surface Phone or 3rd party companies like HP or Xiaomi.

    So I actually think now is a pretty great time to go to your Plan B. Grab a Nexus 5X or iPhone SE, enjoy Apps for 18 months and see where Microsoft are in mid-2017 with Surface Phone.

    The Missing Apps will come to Windows. I know we joke but they will come purely on the success of Windows 10 (desktop). The install base is already at 300m, there's only so long Snapchat etc can ignore that many users and making one Universal App is a no brainer. This weeks new Facebook, Messenger & Instagram updates are a great nod to future commitments.

    So these next 18 months are a great time to live with Android/iOS, you can always come back next year?
    I wouldn't switch. I don't use that many apps (Only Whatsapp/Facebook/Uber). Paid a lot for the 950XL, then the Mozo leather backs and just pre-ordered the wood backs last week.

    I am quite happy with how everything works with the MS ecosystem. The 950XL takes great photos, they upload seamlessly to OneDrive and deleting photos from the Photos app deletes it from both the phone and OneDrive. Email is also great (I use Outlook Premium), so overall I am happy.

    Now is actually quite an exciting time for WM. I keep switching between Redstone and Threshold builds every week.

    I am sure MS wouldn't ditch WM anytime soon, but with so much negativity in the press, developers can easily be swayed.
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    05-02-2016 08:59 AM
  19. slyronit's Avatar
    I'll also say that my tolerance for bugs on W10M is much higher than on Android because when W10M works, it works really well. Android, even at its best, pales in comparison.

    Just my opinion. Apologies for veering off topic.
    Wow! Never knew Marshmallow was that bad.
    05-02-2016 08:59 AM
  20. slyronit's Avatar
    MS was actually on the right track for sometime, offering to make ROMs for cheap (er) Android phones like the Mi3, wonder why that didn't take off.


    W10 optimized - I put the blame squarely on MS, for requiring a third time to get things right. If you have 1% market share, you cannot afford to re-launch your OS from scratch every year and then expect apps to be modified immediately.

    I doubt MS expects to compare with Android/iOS numbers anymore. The best case would be if they maintain a niche market share and peak out around 6-8% in the next few years (Guy can dream, right?). Ideally devs wouldn't be interested, but UWP is what makes this interesting, people wouldn't develop for WM, they will develop for W10.

    The next year would be quite interesting.
    Last edited by jmshub; 05-03-2016 at 11:42 AM. Reason: Removed quote - profanities
    05-02-2016 09:03 AM
  21. libra89's Avatar
    Curious to know, did you continue to use MS services on the iPhone, or have you moved over to Google/Apple's services?
    I pretty much only use MS services. I use OneDrive for photo backup, and Outlook for my mail. As for my device backups, I periodically backup my iPhone using iTunes. Also on the original setup, I used Outlook for my contacts out the gate so my iCloud is not used for anything. I use Apple Maps because it's already on the phone, and I have my search preference set to use Bing in Safari, and also for Siri. As for Cortana, she's not as good on iPhone but she still tells me if my team loses or wins, which is nice too.

    Oh, I use Outlook Calendar and not the one built into the iPhone.

    The iPhone makes all of this easy, aside from the Cortana thing, which is disappointing but it is what it is, I guess.
    05-02-2016 09:12 AM
  22. AnkitGondalia's Avatar
    MS was actually on the right track for sometime, offering to make ROMs for cheap (er) Android phones like the Mi3, wonder why that didn't take off.


    W10 optimized - I put the blame squarely on MS, for requiring a third time to get things right. If you have 1% market share, you cannot afford to re-launch your OS from scratch every year and then expect apps to be modified immediately.

    I doubt MS expects to compare with Android/iOS numbers anymore. The best case would be if they maintain a niche market share and peak out around 6-8% in the next few years (Guy can dream, right?). Ideally devs wouldn't be interested, but UWP is what makes this interesting, people wouldn't develop for WM, they will develop for W10.

    The next year would be quite interesting.
    They never planned releasing rom for mi3. Mi4 was there target device but they still messed up by releasing rom only for 4g varients. What about non availability of phones in market.. Im using a lumia 720 and want to upgrade to a windows device which has atleast 2gb of ram and a powerful processor at an affordable price which is still not available.. :/
    I dont want to buy 650 as it is costly where i live and the processor is weak
    05-02-2016 09:14 AM
  23. TheJoester09's Avatar
    Wow! Never knew Marshmallow was that bad.
    Well, also keep in mind that I've been using Windows Phone/Mobile since WP7 (well really since WM5, but anything before 7 is irrelevant to this point), so I know the system backwards and forwards. I can't say the same for Android, and the some of the workflows just confused me. Plus I had to fight through to slows downs, freeze ups, and app crashes that inevitably come with Android. It just wasn't for me.
    05-02-2016 09:15 AM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar

    I would be giving up these things, moving from Windows 10 to iOS

    1. Superb OneDrive integration-Seamless auto-upload of images and deleting images from the phone as well as OneDrive at the same time. iCloud is pathetic in comparison, I regularly share OneDrive albums with people via the web, you can't do that on iCloud
    2. Outlook - Windows 10's stock email app is better than the stock iOS email app any day. Yes, I can use the Outlook Mail client on iOS, but using an app is not the same thing. It doesn't do background sync of emails as well
    3. Live Tiles - I think this is the area where iOS is most lacking. The Home screen is useless and a waste of space on big screen phones.
    4. Wireless Charging - I have three wireless chargers at home, one in my car and one at office. All that investment would go to waste
    5. Glance - Unlocking your phone each time to check for notifications is such a waste of time and battery
    6. Money - I have a 950XL. To replace it with an iPhone (Plus variant) with at least 64Gb of memory would cost almost twice as much
    7. Loss if integration with Windows 10 on the desktop and iPhone


    What I would be gaining

    Do the rest of you have a Plan B?
    Yea, I have had a plan B for a while. I dont like iOS at all (my wife has one and I hate the device plus I hate Apple), so I have LG G4 that I have been getting used to, I swap week to week with my ICON, I love Windows Phone but, I feel your pain. The G4 is a really nice phone for what it is and has a premium feel to it.

    1. On Android, The ONE DRIVE app, allows you to upload all your photos/videos, just like on Windows Phone. I see no change, infact they all go to the same folder as my WP pictures. I dont see a problem on this aspect at all (not sure on the iOS version)
    2.Outlook on Android is actually pretty nice but, I'll agree the "10" verson is better but, pretty close on Android.
    3. Live Tiles - Not much you can do about that, Android and iOS will just give the Number on your icon...
    4. Wireless Charging - I know on my LG G4 that didn't come with Wireless charging, for about $5-10 I can buy a sticker that will give me wireless charging (10 min install). I know there is an options for some other Android or iOS models. So it might be able to be done. So, you might not have to change all your chargers

    If you want iOS, your going to pay for it, so money is your choice.

    Windows 10 phone wont just STOP working. Even if Microsoft kills it the phone will work for years to come. The ONLY time it truly cant be used is when your services are no longer supported (for example Exchange email, or web browser not able to view pages, or apps are unusable any more).

    I have a old Windows Mobile 6.5 phone... About 6 months ago, I needed a temp phone while I had an issue with one of my phones, so for a week, I used it. I was able to connect to an Exchange 2010 server, I was geting email, texts, even the facebook app worked had some issues.

    So, it's not going to just DIE one day, Microsoft kills it you can use it for years to come, if you can live with the lack of more apps...
    05-02-2016 09:21 AM
  25. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    DavidinCT. There's a reason why I'd choose to go iOS over Android if W10M fails - and Ubuntu Phones never come to the US =/ - the reason is.... updates.

    My biggest frustration with the android eco-system and Google, albeit I do love their services, is that there is no way to get an inexpensive phone and receive updates. For example, BLU has 57 phones alone for the Android series, and I'm not even talking about the discontinued ones. Do you get OS updates? Rarely. I think the 5 phones they list as getting Kitkat were the only ones to ever get updates on their phone. Even some of the better BLU phones, higher-end, don't get Cyagenmod - or other custom ROMS. So you're left with a device you may have paid oodles for, just for... 1 iteration of Android.

    My Lumia 521, it's 2 years old, I had 8.0, 8.1, and put a 10 TP on it. Not many manufacturers do Windows Phone, but some of them have updated - yes even BLU. Granted most of the better ways to get upgrades is to go through Microsoft on the Lumia line, but they kept their phones up to date most of the time. Finally, Windows Phones aren't as expensive as some of the Android ones.

    iOS, granted you may get 2-3 revisions of iOS, and the hardware is generally only good for about... 1 1/2 - 3 years, but that's not bad versus the Android market. Windows Phone, is very similar. The price though.... that's where it hurts.

    Overall my point is, for price point, Windows you can actually upgrade lower-end devices, Android you have to buy either directly from Google or a high-end from Samsung, LG, etc. no inexpensive ones, and iOS, they're expensive overall.
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    05-02-2016 09:56 AM
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