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  1. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    Like the 1020 the 1320 is not getting Windows 10 Mobile officially for the same reason.
    05-07-2016 07:25 AM
  2. nikint's Avatar
    To be honest I dont mind getting the update officially because my phone functions well as it is right now. I even have the build I would have if microsoft had released the official build for my phone. I am pretty satisfied and I enjoy the new features of wm 10 despite the minor problems. Maybe in future builds microsoft will release officially the update for the line x20.
    05-07-2016 09:06 AM
  3. jefbeard911's Avatar
    830 is a 2 year old subpar device at best. Buy a phone meant for Windows 10.
    There's always one in the crowd...
    azilgath likes this.
    05-07-2016 09:39 AM
  4. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Try running the latest version of android on a galaxy S2. YEAH, You can't. Been there done that and it is terrible!
    Jamar Wright likes this.
    05-07-2016 09:41 AM
  5. areithropos's Avatar
    Originally posted by Jakoh
    830 is a 2 year old subpar device at best. Buy a phone meant for Windows 10.
    Seriously?! Even on a Lumia 640 XL Windows 10 Mobile works fine, at least not worse than Windows Phone 8.1 did and you tell that one has to buy a stronger device?
    A Lumia 550 or 650 is also capable of handling W10M, so I cannot agree with this statement.
    05-07-2016 08:23 PM
  6. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Seriously?! Even on a Lumia 640 XL Windows 10 Mobile works fine, at least not worse than Windows Phone 8.1 did and you tell that one has to buy a stronger device?
    A Lumia 550 or 650 is also capable of handling W10M, so I cannot agree with this statement.
    Unfortunately Microsoft seems to have decided that some but not all handsets get Windows 10 Mobile. Therefore, if you are running it on a device that is not officially supported, then you may sadly get problems with it. Whether or not the device 'is capable' is not the same as the device 'works perfectly' and that may be why not all devices are eligible for Windows 10 Mobile.
    Jamar Wright likes this.
    05-08-2016 02:46 AM
  7. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    In engineering, especially electrical we use safety devices like circuit breakers. Now these breakers typically have a rating that is higher than the usual current that is used by a machine. If you keep it very close, then the breaker will be tripping all the time. Same thing with phones. Our devices could be capable of running but they are too near the safety margin and thus will bring issues
    Jamar Wright likes this.
    05-08-2016 07:35 AM
  8. areithropos's Avatar
    Unfortunately Microsoft seems to have decided that some but not all handsets get Windows 10 Mobile. Therefore, if you are running it on a device that is not officially supported, then you may sadly get problems with it. Whether or not the device 'is capable' is not the same as the device 'works perfectly' and that may be why not all devices are eligible for Windows 10 Mobile.
    And how could your answer be related to my post? Lumia 830 and all the other devices are eligible for Windows 10 Mobile and I was simply not agreeing to the statement that a Lumia 830 is now a subpar phone and works rather badly with W10M.
    Chintan Gohel and azilgath like this.
    05-08-2016 07:50 AM
  9. boldlikeus's Avatar
    Your Lumia 830 isn't the problem it's the OS that is not optimized correctly for it.
    I got one before he decided to die then switch to my actually Blu Win HD LTE & here is my experience:
    - On the actual publicly branch (Threeshold alias 10586) I had really poor performance especially in Edge compare to IE on 8.1.
    - After upgrade to the Redstone branch in slow rings so on the 14295.1001 build still get this worse performance.
    - Finally decide to try the Fast ring & after upgraded to the 14332.1001 the phone starting to perform well just few bugs but performances comes.

    It's just like Windows 10 when he was released to the public bugy so just wait the anniversary update this summer & I think you gonna be able to run it well ;).
    Chintan Gohel and rinosaur like this.
    05-08-2016 08:16 AM
  10. cracgor's Avatar
    Your Lumia 830 isn't the problem it's the OS that is not optimized correctly for it.
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    Why isn't the Mobile OS like the regular OS? Why does the Mobile OS have to be optimized for each individual handset instead of how the desktop version works with hardware more ubiquitously? Does "optimized for hardware," just mean they got around to writing device drivers for it? If that is the case, then isn't it just that there are too few users on some of the older devices to justify writing drivers for it?
    05-08-2016 09:09 AM
  11. boldlikeus's Avatar
    Why isn't the Mobile OS like the regular OS? Why does the Mobile OS have to be optimized for each individual handset instead of how the desktop version works with hardware more ubiquitously? Does "optimized for hardware," just mean they got around to writing device drivers for it? If that is the case, then isn't it just that there are too few users on some of the older devices to justify writing drivers for it?
    There more users on older hardware than on new.
    The most actually WP used is the Lumia 535 before it was the 520.

    Today the problem is more on the sides of developers that don't take much times than before to optimize the code in results the lack of performance on old hardware.

    They count to much on the power to get them.

    Even Windows 10 PC doesn't work well on old hardware that seems legit upgradeable.

    I only saw one known society that still optimize the code this day for olders devices & it's Apple.

    Purpose they do the same as Microsoft develop a soft for hard that they also sell.

    And with the days that come he doesn't look good at all.
    05-08-2016 10:51 AM
  12. cracgor's Avatar
    There more users on older hardware than on new.
    The most actually WP used is the Lumia 535 before it was the 520.

    Today the problem is more on the sides of developers that don't take much times than before to optimize the code in results the lack of performance on old hardware.

    They count to much on the power to get them.

    Even Windows 10 PC doesn't work well on old hardware that seems legit upgradeable.

    I only saw one known society that still optimize the code this day for olders devices & it's Apple.

    Purpose they do the same as Microsoft develop a soft for hard that they also sell.

    And with the days that come he doesn't look good at all.
    I don't quite follow everything you have said. For example, I have an Asus EEE Slate (6? years old- updated from W7 to W8 to W10), a Surface Pro (4 years old- updated from W8 to W10), and a Surface Pro 3 (1 year old updated from W8 to W10). Now with the Asus, I had some driver issues early on until they were resolved by Asus publishing them following my update. Software runs the same on all the devices (not counting the speed of the processors). All of them could update and it was on the device manufacturers to update the drivers and on the consumer to find them from their website.

    With phones, I do not think you have the option to install device drivers. So I assume it is on the OS to make sure every piece of hardware is updated. This is why I assumed that phones (not iPhones) have to get updates from the manufacturer/carrier--so that their components can have the necessary drivers to work with the motherboard, sensors, etc. iPhones just have one manufacturer and one OS provider that is the same which makes it easier to manage updates for their equipment.

    Anyway, why are we in this situation to begin with? And why doesn't Microsoft want to support its own hardware for the upgrades (I still assume device optimization for an OS upgrade just means making sure the correct drivers are available)?
    05-08-2016 10:33 PM
  13. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    Try running the latest version of android on a galaxy S2. YEAH, You can't. Been there done that and it is terrible!
    The Samsung Offical ROM is terrible no matter what's version on S2. However the XDA CM ROMs are amazing on S2, I've put CM12(5.1.1) onto an old S2 and it runs way better than my ATIV S on W10M, it's faster/smoother, less crash/memory leak, web browser running like cream compared to the pathetic edge and it's actually one year older than the oldest WP8 device. That showed how amazing a proper tuned OS can be even on old device and how much the WP/WM platform now are away from the original image (resources saving, fast...etc)
    rinosaur and P1ng0fDeath like this.
    05-08-2016 11:38 PM
  14. robsbrutal's Avatar
    It seems like the term "Lagdroid" is more suitable to Windows 10 Mobile from now on.
    The more l use the new OS the worse the experience l get. Apps crashes more often, device always runs out of memory, the 'resuming' symptom is never ending, and why in the bloody hell that all apps that I've already closed keeps coming back when l press the back button.

    To make matters worse, this isn't the Preview that I'm using. Anyone who doesn't have many experience with windows or even l who's been a WP user for years find it frustrating as if l am using a beta version.

    What phone are you using?

    Sent from mTalk
    05-09-2016 12:44 AM
  15. boldlikeus's Avatar

    With phones, I do not think you have the option to install device drivers. So I assume it is on the OS to make sure every piece of hardware is updated. This is why I assumed that phones (not iPhones) have to get updates from the manufacturer/carrier--so that their components can have the necessary drivers to work with the motherboard, sensors, etc. iPhones just have one manufacturer and one OS provider that is the same which makes it easier to manage updates for their equipment.

    Anyway, why are we in this situation to begin with? And why doesn't Microsoft want to support its own hardware for the upgrades (I still assume device optimization for an OS upgrade just means making sure the correct drivers are available)?
    That's it drivers are one on of the most important part especially for non based linux OS but the software optimization is the most one.

    Just run any distro of Linux on any PC & u will see the difference immediately.
    05-09-2016 12:47 AM
  16. boldlikeus's Avatar
    The Samsung Offical ROM is terrible no matter what's version on S2. However the XDA CM ROMs are amazing on S2, I've put CM12(5.1.1) onto an old S2 and it runs way better than my ATIV S on W10M, it's faster/smoother, less crash/memory leak, web browser running like cream compared to the pathetic edge and it's actually one year older than the oldest WP8 device. That showed how amazing a proper tuned OS can be even on old device and how much the WP/WM platform now are away from the original image (resources saving, fast...etc)
    Yep that's the point optimizing an OS as the CM team did with Android show how far we can go with optimization.

    Today most of the developers don't takes times to do it cause they're more lazy than the olders.
    Tien-Lin Chang likes this.
    05-09-2016 12:51 AM
  17. Errol Greer's Avatar
    I have an 820 running 242 insider and it runs very well with no problems. It has 1GB ram. How much ram does your 830 have?
    editguy likes this.
    05-09-2016 04:23 AM
  18. Steve Adams's Avatar
    The Samsung Offical ROM is terrible no matter what's version on S2. However the XDA CM ROMs are amazing on S2, I've put CM12(5.1.1) onto an old S2 and it runs way better than my ATIV S on W10M, it's faster/smoother, less crash/memory leak, web browser running like cream compared to the pathetic edge and it's actually one year older than the oldest WP8 device. That showed how amazing a proper tuned OS can be even on old device and how much the WP/WM platform now are away from the original image (resources saving, fast...etc)
    I used cm, pac man, etc and all were terrible.
    05-09-2016 04:43 AM
  19. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    I used cm, pac man, etc and all were terrible.
    Wow you have high standard of ROMs, respect that.

    According to the same standard I guess the w10m insider builds are all garbage level of quality to you?
    05-09-2016 05:09 AM
  20. ScubaDog's Avatar
    That's not our experience at all. I have a 435, 640 and 950. It runs like garbage on all three.
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    05-09-2016 09:16 AM
  21. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    There is nothing wrong with Windows 10, you either like it or you don't, but you can;t take something that was really built for something else and install it on an old phone and really expect it to work like the new phone does. I don't care what OS you are running Android, Apple or Windows, there are problems when you try updating an older device to a new version. And not everyone uses their phones the same or runs the same app's, so what works for me might not work the same for you, and Microsoft has made this very, very, very plain, not all older models will be able to run Windows 10 and some that can will have problems. And I'm sorry, but really, you download a new operating system, update all your app's, and you find it strange that you have to do a hard reset? I just updated my brother inlaws 640 to Windows10 installed his back up from his 920, runs like a dream, my M8 runs like a dream on Windows 10, My wifes 950 with installed back up from her 1520 runs great, Like I said, you either like 10 or you don't.
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    05-09-2016 10:21 AM
  22. areithropos's Avatar
    There is nothing wrong with Windows 10, you either like it or you don't, but you can;t take something that was really built for something else and install it on an old phone and really expect it to work like the new phone does. I don't care what OS you are running Android, Apple or Windows, there are problems when you try updating an older device to a new version. And not everyone uses their phones the same or runs the same app's, so what works for me might not work the same for you, and Microsoft has made this very, very, very plain, not all older models will be able to run Windows 10 and some that can will have problems. And I'm sorry, but really, you download a new operating system, update all your app's, and you find it strange that you have to do a hard reset? I just updated my brother inlaws 640 to Windows10 installed his back up from his 920, runs like a dream, my M8 runs like a dream on Windows 10, My wifes 950 with installed back up from her 1520 runs great, Like I said, you either like 10 or you don't.
    That would be the first time; I never had problems with older devices and newer operating systems, and I have devices more than five years old, but with one exception: Acer Iconia W510 and just because of "further optimized" drivers by Acer (with the two oldest drivers the device works too).

    As for phones, I do not know why some peeps have so much trouble with their devices but on all supported devices in our family the new Window works fine.
    05-09-2016 01:51 PM
  23. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    Īf you are runnīng Windows 10 Mobile ōn unsupported hardware then you cannot complain about the performance.



    I am testing the latest insider build on a Lumia 640 and it runs cine. I have left my 950 on the production build.
    05-09-2016 01:54 PM
  24. cracgor's Avatar
    There is nothing wrong with Windows 10, you either like it or you don't, but you can;t take something that was really built for something else and install it on an old phone and really expect it to work like the new phone does. I don't care what OS you are running Android, Apple or Windows, there are problems when you try updating an older device to a new version. And not everyone uses their phones the same or runs the same app's, so what works for me might not work the same for you, and Microsoft has made this very, very, very plain, not all older models will be able to run Windows 10 and some that can will have problems. And I'm sorry, but really, you download a new operating system, update all your app's, and you find it strange that you have to do a hard reset? I just updated my brother inlaws 640 to Windows10 installed his back up from his 920, runs like a dream, my M8 runs like a dream on Windows 10, My wifes 950 with installed back up from her 1520 runs great, Like I said, you either like 10 or you don't.
    Except when you tell your users that they will get an upgrade...

    https://twitter.com/Lumia/status/532914535263641600
    05-09-2016 03:14 PM
  25. monedetoune's Avatar
    Except when you tell your users that they will get an upgrade...

    https://twitter.com/Lumia/status/532914535263641600
    the twitter post clearly reads "plan to upgrade"

    well, plans changed. in no way does it said they "WILL". just buy a native 10m phone.
    Jamar Wright likes this.
    05-09-2016 03:56 PM
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