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  1. Felipeicd's Avatar
    With all the OS problems, the terrible press, the lack of advertisement and lack of developers, you think that w10m could recover from all that? I'm really hoping that w10m could be a success, but it's kinda looking dark lately.
    azilgath and Greg Wenzler like this.
    06-03-2016 10:19 AM
  2. finalrelief's Avatar
    I believe they're creating the windows 10 mobile OS and making it better and better for a re-branding (not refresh/reboot of the OS like 7-8-10). Next April will probably mark the launch of the Surface Phone and I believe "Lumia" will die then but W10M will live on. We'll have to see how enterprise reacts to the HP Elite x3 because it will be a precursor to the Surface Phone.

    I've chatted numerous times with Microsoft Sales Reps and they can't acknowledge that the Surface Phone is in development but they all have either scripted or non-scripted - multi-paragraph long responses about how cool a surface phone would be.

    So a short answer is yes I believe it will become a success later on.
    06-03-2016 10:38 AM
  3. Ray Robertson's Avatar
    @Cracgor EXACTLY!!!!!!! Tech years amount to more than dog years and what iOS and Android were able to do in 6 years vs what Windows Phone has been able to do is yin and yang. After 5 plus years of Windows Phone things should be going forward and not backward. The progress that we'd thought we'd see simply isn't happening and yes nothing is perfect but it's pretty clear when dedicated users are fleeing the already small market share is nose diving. No one is telling folks to leave, but we are telling them to stop lying to themselves. Waiting to see what the Alcatel Idol delivers and if things seem more promising and if not I'll be like you waiting on the sidelines and trying something else.
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    06-03-2016 10:49 AM
  4. docsp1's Avatar
    The WM10 mobile is a secure OS with a modern User interface.
    The App Situation for the average User is not so bad as often told.
    For the Specialist it has become worse over time with Publishers running away and not updating to the new OSVersions.

    Microsoft has now finished the Inclusion of the mobile Part of Windows into one universal OS.

    So lets hope the App Developers see the Chances and come back as their earning often was better under Windows than with the other OS where the User Baser to Competition ratio has been unfavorable.
    06-03-2016 11:08 AM
  5. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Continuum being the only benefit is entirely subjective. As others have pointed out, Android is not a very secure OS for the most part, and if you use iOS you are in Apple's walled garden which means it's much more difficult to put your own media on a device and you are forced to use Apple's proprietry standards for your accessories.

    I also think it's far too early to say that UWP is a failure. W10M only launched officially 6 months ago. How much traction in the market did iOS or Android have and how many apps were in their stores after 6 months?

    Some devs are reporting that 75% of their UWP downloads come from phones, even thought there are less than 10 million phones running W10 and more than 300 million W10 PCs.
    Nadella said many times that the huge PC user base would drive the adoption of UWP. The strategy is definitely not working as expected.


    Android apps in Chromebooks run isolated in containers. On the other hand, Microsoft relaxed the security in UWP to support desktop apps in the store. Centennial apps run full trust with the same privileges than the user.
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    06-03-2016 11:34 AM
  6. Felipeicd's Avatar
    We'll have to see how enterprise reacts to the HP Elite x3 because it will be a precursor to the Surface Phone.
    I think that the hp elite x3 could be the best thing that happened to w10m so far, if Microsoft won't do marketing at least hp will do it to sell their phone, and can create some hype to the w10m, at least in the business area. Probably ms it's waiting to see how the elite x3 will do in the market before doing a surface phone.


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    06-03-2016 11:36 AM
  7. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Probably ms it's waiting to see how the elite x3 will do in the market before doing a surface phone.
    My impression is that Microsoft is waiting for Redstone 2 to add in OS features on a stable base (Redstone or Anniversary update) and it is the added features that will help differentiate a phone sized Surface product while highlighting the new direction.

    A lesson learned from 950/XL most likely.
    06-03-2016 12:01 PM
  8. BBurke33609's Avatar
    In all honesty, the builds for redstone recently have been amazing on my icon short of that battery drain issue which they fixed. This last one even now feels like the battery life has gotten a little better than what I remember on WP8.1. I am really happy with my phone right now.
    Maurizio Troso likes this.
    06-03-2016 12:10 PM
  9. mmo2's Avatar
    Personally, I would rather wait for a better product than settle for an inferior product sooner. Sometimes it pays to be patient. I tried to keep up with the feedback on the latest builds before using Insider. (once it had been released to the public, of course) I didn't want the "testing" versions on my phone. Was I anxious for Windows 10? Yes! Enough to risk screwing up my phone? No. Was it worth the wait? In my opinion, yes. Is it perfect? No, but show me an OS that is....
    bhaspence likes this.
    06-03-2016 12:33 PM
  10. EspHack's Avatar
    its not that simple, I don't completely like the way they do things at ms now, but I understand the why, still, it is inconvenient in some ways and it leads to this constant anger, so there's no helping it

    btw I don't get this kind of thread, complaining about complaints, then somewhere else asking for negative feedback to improve things, the new insider leader claims she is a fan of negative feedback, OP says that most complains are just annoying people with no background to back it up, maybe I'm wrong but I doubt you can read this forum in its entirety to be completely sure they are ALWAYS shouting things for the sake of it, after a while you just keep complaining with some hope

    maybe its dumb to say this but I think a forum is mostly a shared knowledge troubleshooting guide, people come here to discuss PROBLEMS and get help, when the amount of problems reaches a certain level, this is what you get
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    06-03-2016 12:56 PM
  11. Dante X's Avatar
    I think that the problem with w10m was the 950 and that not all wp8.1 phones could be updated, when w10m was released with the 950 the os was full of bugs and the phone didn't feel like a flagship phone. It has take some time the the phone and os work fine, now I think it work great. I do like what windows it's trying to do now, creating a universal core, so I have a surface a xbox one and a 950xl, but still, you can see why people don't trust what microsoft want to do, there has been years of pour marketing and general problem in the windows mobile world and the eternal "soon" from microsoft.

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    This is exactly what I feel. I am a MS fanboy, but I am getting tired of the eternal "soon".
    06-03-2016 01:14 PM
  12. cracgor's Avatar
    Everything which became successful was "not quite useful at the moment", at some point in the past.

    Apart that, I disagree completely. I have a great opportunity exactly now, for continuum...
    Our IT blocked everything "Web Mail", that is GMail, Outlook.com, whatever, and they block all Cloud File Services. OK, I can have a look at the incoming private Mails on my mobile. But answering them, especially if it's a longer mail, or if I have to copy content from other programs into it, is a PITA.
    So, Continuum comes to the rescue. Plug the adaptor cable in the monitor of my PC at work, get the BT Keyboard in the drawer, and work with my private mail, surf the sites our IT is blocking (no they not only block what you think ;) ), and so forth.

    Uh, I forgot: I'm not working in a Bank. They have, at least in Switzerland, shut down everything already. Almost no internet, no USB Stick, no nothing.

    Continuum is great already.
    I am glad this works for you. My work around for similar issues is to use mobile tethering with my phone to my Surface to just have a full PC with internet access. If I wanted to type an email on my phone, it would work just as well to pair a BT keyboard without continuum and type on the phone only. It is nice that there are multiple options to work around problems. But I do not think working around problems is the same as having a function that someone cannot live without.
    Laura Knotek and libra89 like this.
    06-03-2016 03:07 PM
  13. Nargg's Avatar
    The difference between WP8/W10M are not that big. .
    Wrong, there are some MAJOR changes to the core OS. Windows 8 or 8 mobile both were big changes, as MS started to finally shed of the old code that was dragging Windows down. Windows 10 and Windows 10 mobile are again big changes to the core. Between 8 and 10 MS did keep some of the things on the UI that worked well, but not all.
    06-03-2016 03:14 PM
  14. cracgor's Avatar
    maybe its dumb to say this but I think a forum is mostly a shared knowledge troubleshooting guide, people come here to discuss PROBLEMS and get help, when the amount of problems reaches a certain level, this is what you get
    I completely agree. In a tangent about the OP, just because some percentage of users enjoy the experience does not mean everyone enjoys the experience. People in a community can have vastly different experiences with the same OS and device. It is reasonable when it is a small percentage, and you will have occasional posts asking for advice. When you have a lot of users with complaints or bad news, I can see how it would bother the hopeful.

    I can understand a little more wanting censorship if there were just people trolling in from other OS forums with stupidity. I think a lot of the complaints come from longtime WM users that are dissatisfied. Honestly, your average Apple or Android fan won't really care about what's going on in Windows Mobile if they even know it exists.
    06-03-2016 03:26 PM
  15. Sarveshwar's Avatar
    MS just has problems communicating.
    They lie all the time. It is not a failure of communication. Promising something and then not delivering is not miscommunication, its 'I don't care' attitude.


    Windows 10 has a plan to be finished with Redstone 2
    Why release an unfinished product to the public? And even force them to upgrade? How morally correct is that?


    There shouldn't be any hard resets either. MS needs to figure it out.
    Mr Daniel Rubino and other writers here can put up an article on the frustration of doing hard resets instead of just telling people to do it all the time. And not just for the Insider thing.


    MS is destroying its reputation. Reputation is exactly what makes people HATE on a company. They started doing well with rebuilding their rep after Satya took the helm. Now with forced upgrades, changes to services on the fly, even disobeying rules on other platforms by using notifications for ADS, it's getting a bit ridiculous.
    From being a well wisher of Microsoft in 2012 when I bought Office, Windows 8 and a Lumia 920 - now I am so frustrated with the company I just hate it for being a control freak and a liar. Why did they need to force automatic updates? Can't open default browser from search? Makes no sense at all.

    Microsoft thinks its too big to care but every one falls some day and I hope they just don't prematurely. But it remains that I don't care what happens to it.
    06-03-2016 10:56 PM
  16. calbro's Avatar
    The consumer market is not lost and will always be present for anyone who has goods and services. Microsoft have a pretty long history with Bing, Xbox including services that compete with Amazon and understand that patience and diligence do pay off. The mobile sector is a trillion dollar investment so a ground up approach is sound it just take a while to build the foundation which is important because of the large base of OEMs and other partners will be dependent on this very foundation to build their Windows product line beginning with the Redstone update.
    06-04-2016 01:18 AM
  17. calbro's Avatar
    Agree and Redstone I am thinking will allow the large host OEM partners to bring new line of products to the market space with their unique apps loaded that help sell the product of which they have no trouble doing. I think this is where the Unversal App will prove to save a lot of time and be beneficial for the OEM partners which don't have to build separate apps of the same for different dimensions of products and perhaps speed up product release.
    Last edited by calbro; 06-04-2016 at 02:00 AM.
    06-04-2016 01:36 AM
  18. FirstWatt's Avatar
    I am glad this works for you. My work around for similar issues is to use mobile tethering with my phone to my Surface to just have a full PC with internet access. If I wanted to type an email on my phone, it would work just as well to pair a BT keyboard without continuum and type on the phone only. It is nice that there are multiple options to work around problems. But I do not think working around problems is the same as having a function that someone cannot live without.
    YMMV re "not living without". I can even live with no banking Apps....yet many find it a dealbreaker not to have one.....

    Re your workarounds:
    1. Not everyone has a Surface as a Work PC. Most of us don't have Laptops, so tethering will not work, as there is no WLAN capability.
    2. Taking the private Surface is possible, but why? You have your continuum enabled phone with you anyway.
    3. Typing on the phone with a BT keyboard is possible, but it's a PITA if you have to use some other programs, or even Surf on that small screen.
    It's just not like continuum. Continuum is great, it's like working on a PC....

    Many things became "necessary" only after people found out how it eases things.
    06-04-2016 03:47 AM
  19. Mark Eggleston's Avatar
    many of the commenters are ancient BOOMERS, who use Linucks, and just come here to hate. They just wanna be alive when Microsoft dies.
    Sorry guys, you wont live to see it.
    06-04-2016 05:04 AM
  20. mikepalma's Avatar
    many of the commenters are ancient BOOMERS, who use Linucks, and just come here to hate. They just wanna be alive when Microsoft dies.
    Sorry guys, you wont live to see it.
    Lighten up Francis.
    06-04-2016 05:17 AM
  21. norville2's Avatar
    Living in Spain at the moment and every mobile phone shop has only Android and IOS, very few people here use w10m. That is half the problem trying to sell to people who do not even know it exist.
    06-04-2016 05:31 AM
  22. mikepalma's Avatar
    I was in USA Starbucks and guy said, I didn't know Microsoft made phones...
    06-04-2016 07:27 AM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    They lie all the time. It is not a failure of communication. Promising something and then not delivering is not miscommunication, its 'I don't care' attitude.




    Why release an unfinished product to the public? And even force them to upgrade? How morally correct is that?




    Mr Daniel Rubino and other writers here can put up an article on the frustration of doing hard resets instead of just telling people to do it all the time. And not just for the Insider thing.




    From being a well wisher of Microsoft in 2012 when I bought Office, Windows 8 and a Lumia 920 - now I am so frustrated with the company I just hate it for being a control freak and a liar. Why did they need to force automatic updates? Can't open default browser from search? Makes no sense at all.

    Microsoft thinks its too big to care but every one falls some day and I hope they just don't prematurely. But it remains that I don't care what happens to it.
    Sorry you're so frustrated, it's understandable. Maybe try a different OS for a while?
    06-04-2016 07:27 AM
  24. Greg Wenzler's Avatar
    I see a lot of Microsoft "bashing" here mostly from those who have been with WP throughout the reboots, and they have grown tired of the waiting for a finished product. At least as far as WC goes, it mostly those who have invested in WP and don't feel they have much to show for it. Hard to blame them, I guess. I moved on around the holidays last year. I'd be happy to come back if I saw a true push on apps, and the return of fluidity to the operating system.

    I'm guessing that there will be a solid test real soon, when HP releases their phone. If it's priced decently and gets some traction, Microsoft's plan to let third parties take over the W10M hardware side might pay off. But if HP goes bust on this phone, I don't see a valid path for W10M to make even the slightest dent in the market. I'm a bit intrigued with Continuum, but the market seems to have said "big deal." Microsoft NEEDS HP to be successful with this phone and show others that there is money to be made with W10M devices.
    06-05-2016 01:55 AM
  25. Scotty_doesknow's Avatar
    I've seen quite a bit of "trolling" & "bashing" on many WC threads lately from both sides of the fan spectrum as well. The "bashing" appears to come from a select few Android users which ensues into arguing with others. The "bashing" also is created by dedicated wp fans that are upset by the decisions Microsoft is making for the future. People can be trolls & people need to vent right? Well if you add the well written series of articles entitled,"Is WP Dead?",& the "App Gap" (forget the authors name...sorry) you have a recipe for chaos because people either misinterpret or do not remain objective. Those articles are really great reads btw. Kudos to the author. My wish is that people remain objective. The field of tech is constantly evolving. Companies play out ideas some work & some do not. The clichd expression there is no success w/o failure applies here. In addition to successes or failures companies are often tight lipped due to legal contracts and/or not wanting competition to steal ideas. I realize I may be rambling here, but many seem to ignore these elements.
    As far as Microsoft goes, the pocket pc which ran windows mobile once owned a healthy share of the mobile market. A strong majority of this share, close to 50% (if I recall) was the business world. Guess what? Microsoft is returning to that recipe in a manner of speaking. The push for Continuum & vocal computing is where Microsoft is heading. It's brilliant to have OEMs push devices while Microsoft solely focuses on software. This will drive development on both sides of the fence.Microsoft is going to create a new tech category. It is a tough road for the consumer, but we have choices. If it's apps or ecosystems that pull you towards a platform by all means spend your dollars towards your productivity. In closing, I want to add this comment section was a pleasure to read because people are actually discussing rather than just cussing. Keep it going
    Last edited by Scotty_doesknow; 06-05-2016 at 06:16 AM.
    06-05-2016 05:59 AM
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