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  1. Pieter Wolff's Avatar
    I came from a N9 ( MeeGoo was fabulous ) via a Lumia 720 to my current 830. I'm still on 8.1 as it serves all my daily needs. I don't play games and use the phone to stay in touch with my loved ones. I love the camera and the reliability of the last Nokia. No crashes, black screens or other inconveniences. So no need to spend a fortune on a phone that does exactly the same but is merely a show off!
    07-18-2016 02:52 AM
  2. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    Coming from dumb phones and feature phones to low-end android, L820 (3 years) and L640 (90€, used that now for 8 months). I'm also experimenting with 40€ low-end android as a work phone. Disclaimer: I have tried W10M many times and always reverted back to WP8.1.

    - I like the start screen UI, lock screen weather and glance. Vertical scrolling is better than side-by-side screens. Even if transition has fancy animation ;) Start screen can be pretty much replicated with SquareHome 2. Next lock screen vs WP lock screen - WP still wins
    - I liked social integration of WP8.0. WP Facebook is decent, but android version is better.
    - L640 is very OK phone. It works a lot better than android with 8GB flash because apps, that can be moved to SD, go fully to the SD. And there are not tone of Google apps having second version (factory + update) of them. My experiment has just 0.5G/4G, but it runs Here maps etc fine. Pokemon Go is more like no go though :)
    - I don't switch phones for fun and I don't jump on first possible device in sight ;)
    - I don't like how Samsung puts the controls. Back on right, WTF ;) I have used Apple products like 2 days. Not my cup of tea. Also both are expensive for their spec and their value of usage.
    - I had hope for Windows on a phone, UWP etc, development to catch momentum, bridges, not so much on Continuum, but hey - my phone does not have it. I had hope for midrange device with good value (L830 never was) as an upgrade this year or bit later. Well, we all know how that went with MS ending consumer phone development and no serious alternatives in sight. Just enterprise and SD21x phones. Windows mobile is not dead. It's just pining for the fjords :)
    - L950 is currently selling at 300€, but it is not interesting. Camera may be very good (is it on level with launch time marketing material?). Still - no.
    - Last time I went to W10M and reverted, few apps were gone from the store. Guess if they are available at the other 2 ecosystems ;)
    - SMSes are stored in cloud and in that sense hard reset or device change is less painfull. I guess android still needs some app to store and recover SMSes. But then Health did not store steps to cloud even though synchronization was on. Health is also quite slow. Androids phones seem to have similar functionality.

    WP8.1 is still nice OS to use, but for me, without devices or app upgrade path on W10M, there will be time to move over. Maybe I'll see what Nokia brand has to offer :D
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    07-18-2016 02:53 AM
  3. Narathan's Avatar
    I've been using Android since version 1.3 up to 6.0.1 and the problem I've had with Android has always been the uncertainty of seeing the next update on my devices. And the bugs, the slowdowns - especially the slowdowns! WHY do you need a quadcore cpu and around 3-6 GB's on ram for Android, and it *still* somehow has lagspikes and freezes? Bad optimization between hard- and software I guess. I've had so many phones I lost count on how much money I spent on that ecosystem, but I'm sure I could've gotten me a nice car!

    I remember my first Windows Phone, the Dell Venue Pro. That device blew me away and I still miss it. It was unique and I could upgrade all the way from 7.0 to 7.8 - AMAZING.
    8.0 to 8.1 was still amazing, my HTC 8X was fenominally sleek and sexy. I was truely heartbroken once I heard it couldn't be upgraded to 10. At some point I got a Nokia 928 and that thing was just as glorious as my Dell Venue Pro.

    I now rock a 950XL and even though I absolutely hate the device (hardware and its build quality), I love the OS even with all its "flaws".

    The App gap is a minor nuisance to me since I'm just a boring healthcare manager. I've never played any games on my phones and all I do is listen to music, watch some series on it and read up on whatever's next in the technology and healthcare world. And WhatsApp ofcourse.

    I love the live tiles. I like the way the whole OS looks and feels: flat. professional. And I like the clean look it brings. Sure, there's a lot of work to do when it comes to the UX and UI, but the difference with Windows Mobile and Android is that I'm actually seeing improvements!

    And I've tried Apple for a bit. I don't understand whats so great about it... It feels very limited. Also, just a home button? My definition of simplicity is probably different.

    So yeah, even though I'm sometimes switching between my Xiaomi Mi5 with Android and my 950XL, the moment a decent Windows Mobile gets released with a SD820 or into that direction? No hesitation, as long as its around 5".

    Love the OS, hate the current hardware.
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    07-18-2016 04:35 AM
  4. KimRM's Avatar
    For me it's not a question of "holding on", I just genuinely prefer it over ios and android.If we were still on WP8.1 I would probably already have switched to an android device, but with Win 10 I feel it's moving the right direction.
    07-18-2016 05:09 AM
  5. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    for some like me, there's nothing better for our use cases
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    07-18-2016 05:50 AM
  6. TheLumiaExperience's Avatar
    The live tiles are unique - I had hated the tiles on W8.1 PC but somehow loved them on the phone when I first got the 930.

    I had an Android phone for work and didn't enjoy using it at all. I didn't find it intuitive, like it ought to be, for a daily device.
    I couldn't stand the looks of the apps list in ios or Android and had no connection or relationship with Apple products or ecosystem. That's why I went Windows. That and the kick *** 930 that had some pretty great specs.

    I figured out how to do things on Windows in the first few days of owning it, more easily than I did in the months that I had my work phone. It spoke to me of great functionality and design.

    I hold on because I do not want to use any other OS for my phone. That is why I dread the thought of Windows Phone failing.
    I enjoy it too much and can see some great potential in a great product.

    And, having to choose between two players isn't that much fun or great for the industry (when the products try to stay ahead of the 1 other competitor). A third major player is needed to drive innovation, like Microsoft have done.
    Last edited by TheLumiaExperience; 07-18-2016 at 04:57 PM. Reason: grammar
    07-18-2016 05:54 AM
  7. davidjennings68's Avatar
    Recently moved from Android.....and I'm here to stay. After a few months of updates I wouldn't swap my 950xl for anything now 👍
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    07-18-2016 06:52 AM
  8. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Because iOS is stale, sterile, and boring (I have an iphone also).
    Because Android is failed me numerous times regarding long-term stability.
    Because W10M/WP and its UX/UI uniqueness continue to be breath of fresh air.
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    07-18-2016 09:09 AM
  9. kaktus1389's Avatar
    Four years ago I bought a more or less budget Samsung android device with android 2.2 Froyo and I never got update to 2.3 gingerbread. At first I actually liked it, but then it started to lag and crash often and many apps didn't support my phone anymore + as it was budget phone watching movies and playing games was almost impossible after 2 years.
    So I went to the store and checked a few devices in the price range that suited my budget and as I wanted to check out a platform other than android I went with Lumia 630. It was a low midrange phone, but I liked the performance of windows 8.1 OS a lot. I also tried out insider versions of windows 10 and I really liked it but then reverted back because the phone was really heating up (512 MB of ram probably). I liked the start screen and the UI from the day 1 and I still like it with Windows 10 Mobile updates (unlike majority). A few months ago I felt that something with 512 MB ram is just not good and went for Lumia 640 XL and I am very satisfied with it and will probably keep it until second generation of "Surface phone" comes out.
    Things that I like the most after the UI:
    - Notifications sync with PC (insider)
    - MS native apps
    - Cortana
    - Security
    - Performance
    - UWP
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    07-18-2016 09:10 AM
  10. sinime's Avatar
    Even without all the apps on Android and iOS, WP, or W10M, is just a better OS.

    Tried Android (Galaxy S6) last summer and after 3 weeks, decided it wasn't for me... Too much lag if you customize it to not look dull, too dull if it's running lag free. And none of the widgets seem to go together (visually). Android truly is the wild west of smart phones.

    Tried iOS too... that stent lasted a little longer because I didn't get bored with it till after my return window had expired. It's got great eye candy at first, but after a couple of months it just got old and stale. And don't get me started on my conspiracy theory on Apple intentionally slowing older phones down when releasing their annual OS updates.
    07-18-2016 09:25 AM
  11. speccy's Avatar
    I love my 950 and am not gonna change it anytime soon, the only issue that really gets to me is that the Wordflow keyboard really is crap compared to Wordflow on 8.1. I'm not sure what they've done to it and why it would perform so much worse, and no-one as far as I have seen so far is able to explain why there is this difference. It gets simple words wrong sometimes and even if I'm really slow and careful there are just some words that it just will not do/recognise.

    Is there anyone in the know that can explain why what worked on 8.1 has not been carried over to 10. I'm guessing they re-wrote the code from scratch and didn't do as good a job of it.
    07-18-2016 09:32 AM
  12. sinime's Avatar
    I love my 950 and am not gonna change it anytime soon, the only issue that really gets to me is that the Wordflow keyboard really is crap compared to Wordflow on 8.1. I'm not sure what they've done to it and why it would perform so much worse, and no-one as far as I have seen so far is able to explain why there is this difference. It gets simple words wrong sometimes and even if I'm really slow and careful there are just some words that it just will not do/recognise.

    Is there anyone in the know that can explain why what worked on 8.1 has not been carried over to 10. I'm guessing they re-wrote the code from scratch and didn't do as good a job of it.
    I'm not exactly sure. It seems to work about the same for me... Although, maybe I have noticed an increase in "misspellings" due to the wrong word being chosen.
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    07-18-2016 09:45 AM
  13. UgoCat's Avatar
    I'm holding on because i prefer windows os over lagdroid or ios, but 1% market share is scary. Actually i'm on a Lumia 925 and i'd like to move to a new phone. Lumia 950 now is around $300 but i'm not sure that at this time it's the right choice.
    I really don't know what to do.
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    07-18-2016 10:12 AM
  14. MDK22's Avatar
    I love my 950 and am not gonna change it anytime soon, the only issue that really gets to me is that the Wordflow keyboard really is crap compared to Wordflow on 8.1. I'm not sure what they've done to it and why it would perform so much worse, and no-one as far as I have seen so far is able to explain why there is this difference. It gets simple words wrong sometimes and even if I'm really slow and careful there are just some words that it just will not do/recognise.

    Is there anyone in the know that can explain why what worked on 8.1 has not been carried over to 10. I'm guessing they re-wrote the code from scratch and didn't do as good a job of it.
    Possibly due to your dictionary being rebuilt when you crossed over to WM10, the tendencies / your jargon are NOT there, yet.
    This is merely a guess, don't know if it was redesigned (would doubt it, just needs to learn from you)
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    07-18-2016 10:25 AM
  15. libra89's Avatar
    I'm holding on because i prefer windows os over lagdroid or ios, but 1% market share is scary. Actually i'm on a Lumia 925 and i'd like to move to a new phone. Lumia 950 now is around $300 but i'm not sure that at this time it's the right choice.
    I really don't know what to do.
    If your 925 is going okay, why not hang tight with it or just try the 950 anyway? Unless you are waiting for the Hp phone.

    @about the keyboard: On my 640, it feels so much slower. Word Flow on iOS feels as fast as the keyboard was on 8.1.
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    07-18-2016 10:38 AM
  16. sinime's Avatar
    Or the Acer Liquid Jade Primo Super Duper Ultra Awesome phone.
    Sorry bout that, the actual name just seems over-exaggerated. Not that I think it's a bad phone, the name is just too long.
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    07-18-2016 10:59 AM
  17. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Adults are allowed to have fun. The issue is the sense of entitlement when something you have isnt up to "snuff" for your taste. If you would rather spend your free time playing Pokemon Go, when you are supposedly an adult, then go ahead and move to ios or Android. But dont come to a site like this, peepee and moan about what we DONT have, instead of being productive and calling out what we do. MS is NOT NOT NOT going after the mainstream market anymore, deal with it like an Adult. As ive seen from some replies, I know im not alone with this mindset of being sick and tired of the complaining. Sign the petition if you want the game that bad, posting here isnt going to make it happen. I have had to deal with ios due to work, so I have an extremely high knowledge of the platform. Im good without it. EVERY PLATFORM HAS OPERATIONAL FLAWS. I would LIKE for my local credit union to make an app, but they wont. Im not going to ditch a platform for something as trivial as that. If your account is so low you need to check it every day or more, then i dont think Pokemon Go should be at the tops of your list of things to worry about. But hey, this is just my opinion. Really hope this doesnt get me dinged, I purposely didnt call out or quote anyone using generalities.
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    07-18-2016 10:59 AM
  18. Jakoh's Avatar
    I was only here because of Nokia.
    But now, I don't know why I am still here.
    950 for $300 was a damn good deal, the camera is damn good. But all other "Nokianess" is missing.
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    07-18-2016 11:20 AM
  19. speccy's Avatar
    Possibly due to your dictionary being rebuilt when you crossed over to WM10, the tendencies / your jargon are NOT there, yet.
    This is merely a guess, don't know if it was redesigned (would doubt it, just needs to learn from you)
    I don't think its to do with that, I used to have Swype on an Android phone years ago, and when Wordflow came to Windows Phone 8.1, it was just as good if not actually a bit better. The difference between 8.1 and 10 with regards to Wordflow is marked and very definitely noticeable.
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    07-18-2016 11:29 AM
  20. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I love my 950 and am not gonna change it anytime soon, the only issue that really gets to me is that the Wordflow keyboard really is crap compared to Wordflow on 8.1. I'm not sure what they've done to it and why it would perform so much worse, and no-one as far as I have seen so far is able to explain why there is this difference. It gets simple words wrong sometimes and even if I'm really slow and careful there are just some words that it just will not do/recognise.

    Is there anyone in the know that can explain why what worked on 8.1 has not been carried over to 10. I'm guessing they re-wrote the code from scratch and didn't do as good a job of it.
    two things: do you the get to know me part enabled? It's somewhere in speech, inking and typing settings.
    second: I'm guessing the cursor they added messed things up - but it got a lot better recently
    07-18-2016 11:55 AM
  21. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    you've given me the hypothesis that those users who used to use windows for a long time on mobile have something to gripe about while users like you and me who came on board when 8 was released have a lot of optimism
    DITTO !
    Peace. Alan
    MS Lumia ICON 929 [W10 M Insider Preview, Redstone 14390.0]
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    07-18-2016 12:05 PM
  22. SeeVuPlay's Avatar
    I cut myself recently and windows 10 was bleeding out.....a bandaid is helping. Windows and Me are joined at the hip.... To remove it would kill me. But at least it will not be an abrupt death like those who are crossing streets chasing Pokemon. 😜
    07-18-2016 12:20 PM
  23. speccy's Avatar
    two things: do you the get to know me part enabled? It's somewhere in speech, inking and typing settings.
    second: I'm guessing the cursor they added messed things up - but it got a lot better recently
    I'll certainly look into that, but the point I was making earlier was that it just worked, Wordflow on 8.1 worked like Swype did on Android, no special learning algorithms, it just worked. Maybe if I enable the "get to know me feature" you mentioned (assuming it's not already enabled), it may help, but why doesn't it just work like it used to. It didn't need to learn anything before, it was just massively more accurate straight out of the box. I spend as much time correcting things these days as I do typing them, and frankly, it drives me nuts, it's more of a hindrance than a help sometimes, so much so that I fall back to tapping out the words instead, that's how bad it can be. And still I would like it if someone could explain why it's different to 8.1 which just worked very well.

    If someone came up with an app that grafted the 8.1 version of Wordflow onto W10M, I would actually pay real money for it!
    Last edited by speccy; 07-18-2016 at 03:31 PM. Reason: spelling and grammar
    07-18-2016 03:23 PM
  24. abel920's Avatar
    I don't particularly look at it as 1% means that the platform is dying.
    As Satya mentioned, the goal is to make Windows an experience that you can have not just in mobile by on everything else from PC, to mobile, and to the internet of things. Sure, Windows Mobile represents 1% of the total market share right now, but looking back in history, Macs were at the same situation when Apple was struggling as a company.
    We're now reaching the plateau of mobile innovation, and thus it's not virtually impossible to make a dent in this aspect. Remember, Apple exploded when the iPod technology was popularized, which at that time was an extremely exciting time of innovation for the company. What I am saying is that while there may be no hope for Windows Mobile in terms of capturing more than 1% of the market share, let's take a look at what Microsoft is doing to get ahead of the game when the next revolution comes.

    And this is where Augmented reality comes into place. I bet you, that in the next 5-10 years, Hololens will be what the iPhone is of today when it terms of the domination in tech. iPhones accounts for 70% of Apple's revenues, and judging by the non-iPhone products they release, it's safe to say that they may possibly not survive the next tech revolution. Apple is nothing more than a fashion accessory which people eventually will get tired of. Apple Watch bombed, Macs maybe on the rise, but slowly, and iPads are actually decreasing in sales.

    This will leave a void in what the next revolution will have. I believe that Hololens will be the future. And it shows that Microsoft has learned their mistakes costing them the opportunity to dominate in the mobile industry. They are now focusing on the next big thing, and I am confident in their confidence that Augmented Reality is the future. Just take a look at the mass hysteria Pokmon Go has caused in just the first few days of release.

    Now imagine people 10 years down the road playing Pokmon in Hololens. By that time, we're already have been a couple of generations into this device, and most definitely the FOV have been fixed along with vast hardware improvements according to Morse Law.

    What I'm saying is that, don't look at Mobile as ends to the means, but Mobile as an experience of something even bigger.

    Apple failed at everything else, Google may still be a powerful player with Google Lens, but Microsoft has this is the bag. Hololens will be the device of the future.

    This is all in theory, I just hope that Microsoft doesn't screw things up and actually seize the opportunity to the best they can.
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    07-18-2016 04:07 PM
  25. Rugish Dapeca's Avatar
    I like being in the top 1%, and see no reason to downgrade my phone experience.

    Seriously, my 640 just works. I haven't had any issues with it that couldn't be resolved with a simple reboot of the phone. Yeah, there are apps on the other platforms that aren't available to Windows Mobile, but a large majority are games that I will never play, or apps I don't need. The stuff I want or need to use on a regular basis are already available to me.

    • Phone - Check
    • Text Messaging - Check
    • Skype calling - Check
    • GPS and Maps - Check
    • Banking App - Check (for me at least)
    • Weather App - Check
    • MS Office Apps - Check
    • Camera App - Check
    07-18-2016 07:20 PM
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