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  1. Jack Neill's Avatar
    07-28-2016 07:27 PM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    It was done since they announced that some devices could not handle w10m...

    "As stated before, unsupported devices will not receive any builds or updates newer than 10586.x"

    So basically if you're on the release preview ring or production ring, you can stay on it, but there will no longer be any updates for you. That's what it means.

    The interesting bit is "Unsupported devices can still use the Windows Device Recovery Tool to recover to Windows Phone 8.1, but will not have the option to return to Windows 10 Mobile".

    So basically any old/unsupported device, that didn't have the TH builds installed, before this move happens, will be stuck on 8.1 and won't even be able to get the TH builds :/
    07-28-2016 07:45 PM
  3. Jack Neill's Avatar
    Glad I got the 920 on W10M, the 1020 sucked with 10 anyways.
    abhishek singh21 likes this.
    07-28-2016 08:04 PM
  4. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Do we know what the final deadline is yet?
    07-28-2016 08:04 PM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    Do we know what the final deadline is yet?
    Good question, I'm guessing August 1 is the end.
    07-28-2016 08:42 PM
  6. milkyway's Avatar
    Do we know what the final deadline is yet?
    The Release Preview Ring already distributes 14393 so it's over. If you really want to get W10M on your WP8.1 phone you have to hack your registry
    07-29-2016 07:32 AM
  7. Abhinaba Hazra's Avatar
    It was done since they announced that some devices could not handle w10m...

    "As stated before, unsupported devices will not receive any builds or updates newer than 10586.x"

    So basically if you're on the release preview ring or production ring, you can stay on it, but there will no longer be any updates for you. That's what it means.

    The interesting bit is "Unsupported devices can still use the Windows Device Recovery Tool to recover to Windows Phone 8.1, but will not have the option to return to Windows 10 Mobile".

    So basically any old/unsupported device, that didn't have the TH builds installed, before this move happens, will be stuck on 8.1 and won't even be able to get the TH builds :/



    I am running TH2 on my Lumia 630 & i don't want to roll back to WP 8.1 as in W10M i got some quality apps which are not available in WP 8.1. What is worrying me is that after 2nd August will those app stop functioning in unsupported devices ? If not then what types of problems we can face in future? I don't care about new OS updates,only want 3rd party apps in working condition.
    Last edited by Abhinaba Hazra; 07-31-2016 at 11:01 AM.
    07-31-2016 10:25 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    I am running TH2 on my Lumia 630 & i don't want to roll back to WP 8.1 as in W10M i got some quality apps which are not available in WP 8.1. What is worrying me is that after 2nd August will those app stop functioning in unsupported devices ? If not then what types of problems we can face in future? I don't care about new OS updates,only want 3rd party apps in working condition.
    It should continue to work just fine.
    07-31-2016 11:09 AM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    I am running TH2 on my Lumia 630 & i don't want to roll back to WP 8.1 as in W10M i got some quality apps which are not available in WP 8.1. What is worrying me is that after 2nd August will those app stop functioning in unsupported devices ? If not then what types of problems we can face in future? I don't care about new OS updates,only want 3rd party apps in working condition.
    Everything will continue to function.

    The only looming issue is that if you were to replace your phone or need to restore it using the WDRT on a PC then you'd lose 10 and wouldn't be able to easily upgrade again.
    07-31-2016 11:24 AM
  10. nedarata's Avatar
    somehow missed article about this on WC
    did ms just gave 2 days notice?
    so if i reset my "unsupported" phone what version will i get?
    07-31-2016 12:45 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    somehow missed article about this on WC
    did ms just gave 2 days notice?
    so if i reset my "unsupported" phone what version will i get?
    I'm not sure about the 2 days... This was long deduced by thoughtful observers, The announcement just made it fomalized.

    Hard Reset and Factory Reset return you to the exact version on the phone at the time of Reset. WDRT returns you to 8.1.
    Laura Knotek and xandros9 like this.
    07-31-2016 01:20 PM
  12. nedarata's Avatar
    you are right
    everybody checks ms forums everyday
    07-31-2016 01:55 PM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    you are right
    everybody checks ms forums everyday
    Did you want a personal letter?

    Most people knew this large update would not carry over to every device due to age. They want the best experience. It just makes sense.
    07-31-2016 02:02 PM
  14. PGrey's Avatar
    I kind of wonder, if they'll turn this back on, since I bet a LOT of people doing dev. work were using older phones, that fall into this category.
    Big bummer, having to go out and buy phones now, to continue doing testing and such (emulators are great, for some things, but not final, IMHO).

    In the defense of the current state though, these phones were never really supposed to be able to run Threshold (even though most of us know they do, just fine, we have an M8 and 1020 in our family, happily running 494), so MS was sort of letting these "slip through the cracks", I'm sure knowingly.
    I bet they have all the telemetry on installs, and know more or less exactly how many of each phone model is/was running Threshold.
    Hopefully, they'll see the benefit, both for developers, and for additional bug reporting, of re-enabling these phones.
    RumoredNow and EspHack like this.
    07-31-2016 02:10 PM
  15. nedarata's Avatar
    many people would upgrade just to still use apps like skype
    now they are left behind
    07-31-2016 02:13 PM
  16. PGrey's Avatar
    Yeah, this is why I moved our phones forward onto Threshold, through 494, so they wouldn't get "left behind".

    Time will tell though, I wouldn't be surprised of the there's another branch on Insider for these, stranger things have happened...
    If you think about it, it's going to be a headache for MS too, to have phones back on 8.x, while all the newer services are targeted at 10.x...
    07-31-2016 02:31 PM
  17. nedarata's Avatar
    If you think about it, it's going to be a headache for MS too, to have phones back on 8.x, while all the newer services are targeted at 10.x...
    for 8.x it will be exactly like in 7.8 days
    ms will say there will be 18 months mainstream support
    and after 18 months and 0 updates it will end
    xandros9 and theefman like this.
    07-31-2016 02:39 PM
  18. Jack Neill's Avatar
    I was afraid of this, not a big deal but I had hoped that they would at least let you get 10586+. My 920 works great on 494. Why cant we have this on Insider at our own risk? Please?

    If they can release updates for 10240 on PC they can keep unsupported phones on 10586.
    Guytronic, libra89 and EspHack like this.
    07-31-2016 06:16 PM
  19. EspHack's Avatar
    cmon guys stop beating the dead horse, from now on just go right to hacking forums, they will probably release custom RS1-2-3 roms and so on and easy tutorials-utilities to keep that old lumia running until microsoft moves mobile to x86 or something
    ven07 likes this.
    07-31-2016 07:03 PM
  20. ven07's Avatar
    You know there really is no point in being sarcastic when someone is only trying to help you :/

    In any case... If you're on TH builds and are worried about apps, well ..............................

    The store has a "device requirement" section now. This means that developers could technically start building apps which are only meant for RS supported device, but so far that hasn't been the case.

    This could change tho.. so, if anything, that should be your main fear
    08-01-2016 08:39 PM
  21. PGrey's Avatar
    The store has a "device requirement" section now. This means that developers could technically start building apps which are only meant for RS supported device, but so far that hasn't been the case.

    This could change tho.. so, if anything, that should be your main fear
    I hope I wasn't being sarcastic, I wasn't trying to, hoping it wasn't me anyway.

    I think a bigger issue might be if people had phones that didn't make it to .494, or maybe they didn't get upgraded from 8.x at all, even though they could run it fine. I guess there's always the registry hack, although a lot of people are even less comfortable with that, vs the Insider (app or integrated).

    Hopefully developers will think about their settings here, carefully, and not just default to Redstone (and probably removing themselves from a huge segment of the current market)...
    08-01-2016 09:11 PM
  22. milkyway's Avatar
    You know there really is no point in being sarcastic when someone is only trying to help you :/

    In any case... If you're on TH builds and are worried about apps, well ..............................

    The store has a "device requirement" section now. This means that developers could technically start building apps which are only meant for RS supported device, but so far that hasn't been the case.

    This could change tho.. so, if anything, that should be your main fear
    The new VLC app is already Redstone-only
    ven07 likes this.
    08-02-2016 01:00 AM
  23. nedarata's Avatar
    what is the purpose of fragmenting win10m apps? pre-redstone and redstone
    how is that a good idea?
    08-02-2016 11:27 AM
  24. milkyway's Avatar
    what is the purpose of fragmenting win10m apps? pre-redstone and redstone
    how is that a good idea?
    it's not a good idea at all. but it's MS after all. I am not surprised
    nedarata likes this.
    08-02-2016 11:29 AM
  25. PGrey's Avatar
    The new VLC app is already Redstone-only
    The VLC player app? Or a different one? I'm pretty sure the VLC player is >= 8.1.
    08-02-2016 12:48 PM
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