08-06-2016 03:40 AM
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  1. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    There have been some exciting features found on windows mobile devices such as glance screen, pureview cameras, double tap to wake etc
    The problem is that some models have the features while others don't. Some have 2 features while another can have 3 but they're not similar.

    So which features have to be available in all windows mobile devices? As a bare minimum? It doesn't make sense to have pureview but no sensorcore, to have glance but no DTTW

    What would your list of features be? I'm not talking about hardware specs such as 5MP camera or 2000mAh battery but the list of capabilities/features

    Thank you
    08-01-2016 05:31 AM
  2. MDK22's Avatar
    MUST HAVES: (for me)
    Glance screen
    micro SD card slot
    @ least 16GB internal storage
    pureview camera
    camera flash (as a Flashlight, also)
    FF camera
    @ least 5" screen

    DTTW - not very necessary for me, I turn it OFF on my Lumia 1520, alleged to waste battery
    08-01-2016 06:57 AM
  3. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    MUST HAVES: (for me)
    Glance screen
    micro SD card slot
    @ least 16GB internal storage
    pureview camera
    camera flash (as a Flashlight, also)
    FF camera
    @ least 5" screen

    DTTW - not very necessary for me, I turn it OFF on my Lumia 1520, alleged to waste battery
    can some of your specs be supported in a low budget device?
    08-01-2016 07:51 AM
  4. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    can some of your specs be supported in a low budget device?
    650 ;) with the plus of oled ;) Prices are going down, the very best is expremely low monthly fees bundled with some carriers
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    08-01-2016 08:17 AM
  5. MDK22's Avatar
    can some of your specs be supported in a low budget device?
    not sure, but ...

    These are my minimum specs, I tend to favor mid-range to hi end devices, which I'll keep for an extended period of time.
    There is a place for the budget devices, but immediate future will probably skew to higher end devices.
    Budget devices were tried, minimal profit margin - did NOT provide the traction needed.
    I've had my Lumia 1520 for over 2 years, still happy ... with Anniversary Update giving it NU life.
    It still ranks as a higher end device.
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    08-01-2016 09:10 AM
  6. EspHack's Avatar
    Originally posted by Chintan Gohel
    There have been some exciting features found on windows mobile devices such as glance screen, pureview cameras, double tap to wake etc
    The problem is that some models have the features while others don't. Some have 2 features while another can have 3 but they're not similar.

    So which features have to be available in all windows mobile devices? As a bare minimum? It doesn't make sense to have pureview but no sensorcore, to have glance but no DTTW

    What would your list of features be? I'm not talking about hardware specs such as 5MP camera or 2000mAh battery but the list of capabilities/features

    Thank you
    all of them man, even not having xenon+led flash makes me pull my hair from time to time, there's just no damn excuse to exclude those special features from a top of the line phone, qi charging, glance etc they HAVE TO BE THERE, see how the 930-icon didnt have glance while the rest of lower end devices had it, just insane, all for the sake of selling that moonraker smartwatch probably, that was some very shady business by nokia back then
    08-01-2016 01:57 PM
  7. Rubidad's Avatar
    IMHO every Windows phone with a camera should have a camera button!!!
    Glance is nice on amoled, but not on LCD
    Micro SD card slot
    Removable battery that lasts at least 24 hours with heavy use
    At least 16 GB storage
    At least 1 GB of RAM
    Most recent version of Gorilla glass or equivalent
    Decent rear camera with HD that works! Token front camera.
    Wireless charging no longer necessary with new C-type connections, but quick charge a must
    Decent CPU that never overheats
    Stereo speakers
    An OS that is reliable, robust and up-gradable
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    08-01-2016 03:10 PM
  8. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    IMHO every Windows phone with a camera should have a camera button!!!
    Glance is nice on amoled, but not on LCD
    Micro SD card slot
    Removable battery that lasts at least 24 hours with heavy use
    At least 16 GB storage
    At least 1 GB of RAM
    Most recent version of Gorilla glass or equivalent
    Decent rear camera with HD that works! Token front camera.
    Wireless charging no longer necessary with new C-type connections, but quick charge a must
    Decent CPU that never overheats
    Stereo speakers
    An OS that is reliable, robust and up-gradable
    I like your list -it's not too demanding, actually quite workable. The processor will heat up as you do demanding tasks like intensive games or streaming 4k video over cellular
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    08-02-2016 12:54 AM
  9. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Mine for now would be:

    Dedicated camera button
    Different coloured shells or body
    Sensorcore for fitness tracking etc
    USB OTG - many want it I guess
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    08-02-2016 08:20 AM
  10. libra89's Avatar
    I ditto what both of you (Chintan and Rubidad) said! The only thing I'll add is flash on the back camera at least. Really liked the 532 but it not having flash on the back camera was/is kind of a bummer.
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    08-02-2016 08:39 AM
  11. Rubidad's Avatar
    I ditto what both of you (Chintan and Rubidad) said! The only thing I'll add is flash on the back camera at least. Really liked the 532 but it not having flash on the back camera was/is kind of a bummer.
    Oops, I forgot the flash.
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    08-03-2016 07:42 AM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    SD card slot, removable battery, 5" screen, USB type-c, wireless charging, OTG.
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    08-03-2016 03:45 PM
  13. EspHack's Avatar
    IMHO every Windows phone with a camera should have a camera button!!!
    Glance is nice on amoled, but not on LCD
    Micro SD card slot
    Removable battery that lasts at least 24 hours with heavy use
    At least 16 GB storage
    At least 1 GB of RAM
    Most recent version of Gorilla glass or equivalent
    Decent rear camera with HD that works! Token front camera.
    Wireless charging no longer necessary with new C-type connections, but quick charge a must
    Decent CPU that never overheats
    Stereo speakers
    An OS that is reliable, robust and up-gradable
    i cant see how type c or any fast charge tech mitigates the need for wireless charging
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    08-03-2016 06:39 PM
  14. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Access to your google accounts. End of requests. Will ask for more later. This is just unacceptable.
    08-03-2016 11:01 PM
  15. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Access to your google accounts. End of requests. Will ask for more later. This is just unacceptable.
    you can access gmail via the mail app or through the browser (but gmail is hard headed when it comes to browsers)
    08-04-2016 04:50 AM
  16. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    I respectfully have to completely disagree. MS is going after the enterprise users for mobile. If we are the only platform who can't natively interface with google services, that's not doom and gloom, it's just doom. This ******* match between the two needs to stop. Mainly on the MS side. If we have all Google users locked out, that's it, done. MS needs to open the checkbook and pay Google to leave us alone and play nice. They waste so much cash on failed businesses, why can't they pay Google 1billion to support our platform for a decade?
    08-04-2016 09:19 AM
  17. EspHack's Avatar
    I respectfully have to completely disagree. MS is going after the enterprise users for mobile. If we are the only platform who can't natively interface with google services, that's not doom and gloom, it's just doom. This ******* match between the two needs to stop. Mainly on the MS side. If we have all Google users locked out, that's it, done. MS needs to open the checkbook and pay Google to leave us alone and play nice. They waste so much cash on failed businesses, why can't they pay Google 1billion to support our platform for a decade?
    how necessary one or the other's services are varies greatly from place to place, I've had only one experience where I was forced to deal with google services due to work, but it was merely accessing a cloud share, the rest of the people I have since worked with are fine with onedrive and office, even skype groups

    I remember yahoo messenger and windows live messenger where almost completely interoperable, and as you can see email is brand agnostic, I miss how common sense dominated the tech industry back then
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    08-04-2016 03:11 PM
  18. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I respectfully have to completely disagree. MS is going after the enterprise users for mobile. If we are the only platform who can't natively interface with google services, that's not doom and gloom, it's just doom. This ******* match between the two needs to stop. Mainly on the MS side. If we have all Google users locked out, that's it, done. MS needs to open the checkbook and pay Google to leave us alone and play nice. They waste so much cash on failed businesses, why can't they pay Google 1billion to support our platform for a decade?
    you want MS to pay Google to develop apps for the windows ecosystem? Good luck with that. Can you estimate how much more revenue MS will get from having google apps for windows? There has to be a return on investment, money just can't be thrown around for very little ROI
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    08-05-2016 05:31 AM
  19. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Well its either something to that effect, or we will be the only platform that wont allow access to Google services. Its bad enough apps like Waze are abandoned, but to add on top no native access to Google calendars etc. Not going to draw converts from Android with that. We cant honestly expect someone to ditch a platform all together. Windows Mobile has lost, MS has all but admitted that. So instead of wasting money on the numerous companies they buy every year do something to help what they claim will be pointed at businesses. Businesses use Google services, a lot of them do. If we sit back and say we don't need Google.... that would be the true end to the platform. Pay Google to support us, get some UWP apps for everything, that can HURT the bottom line. My $ number was an example. And work arounds are NOT a solution. WE will do it, but cant expect a newb to walk into a store, look at a phone, ask if their Google contacts and calendar can be imported, then be told the umpteen steps to do it. Instead of a couple clicks, and entering credentials.

    you want MS to pay Google to develop apps for the windows ecosystem? Good luck with that. Can you estimate how much more revenue MS will get from having google apps for windows? There has to be a return on investment, money just can't be thrown around for very little ROI
    08-05-2016 08:50 PM
  20. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Well its either something to that effect, or we will be the only platform that wont allow access to Google services. Its bad enough apps like Waze are abandoned, but to add on top no native access to Google calendars etc. Not going to draw converts from Android with that. We cant honestly expect someone to ditch a platform all together. Windows Mobile has lost, MS has all but admitted that. So instead of wasting money on the numerous companies they buy every year do something to help what they claim will be pointed at businesses. Businesses use Google services, a lot of them do. If we sit back and say we don't need Google.... that would be the true end to the platform. Pay Google to support us, get some UWP apps for everything, that can HURT the bottom line. My $ number was an example. And work arounds are NOT a solution. WE will do it, but cant expect a newb to walk into a store, look at a phone, ask if their Google contacts and calendar can be imported, then be told the umpteen steps to do it. Instead of a couple clicks, and entering credentials.
    Any time now I expect to hear that windows 10 is now on 400 million devices. In the next 6 months, that number might be at 500 million to give a conservative estimate. At which figure will Google feel the pressure to start developing apps for the windows platform? When the numbers reach 1 billion, will Google still decline to develop apps for the windows platform? there are less than 1 billion iphone users and they have google apps, don't they? When did Google decide to develop for them? When the users were 1 billion? 500 million?

    The UWP strategy is working, it will put pressure on Google and other developers to stop ignoring the windows 10 platform. The more the users, the more the pressure. People will continue to buy windows 10 devices. the numbers will grow. Store will get better, apps will increase
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    08-06-2016 12:55 AM
  21. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Any time now I expect to hear that windows 10 is now on 400 million devices. In the next 6 months, that number might be at 500 million to give a conservative estimate. At which figure will Google feel the pressure to start developing apps for the windows platform? When the numbers reach 1 billion, will Google still decline to develop apps for the windows platform? there are less than 1 billion iphone users and they have google apps, don't they? When did Google decide to develop for them? When the users were 1 billion? 500 million?

    The UWP strategy is working, it will put pressure on Google and other developers to stop ignoring the windows 10 platform. The more the users, the more the pressure. People will continue to buy windows 10 devices. the numbers will grow. Store will get better, apps will increase
    And I hope all of that comes to fruition. But we have been here before, on the cusp with this platform. Hopefully the numbers do it. But these are stubborn companies that don't always act based on money. Pride can be an issue. But here's to hoping!
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    08-06-2016 12:57 AM
  22. EspHack's Avatar
    Originally posted by Chintan Gohel
    Originally Posted by Allen Rhodes
    Well its either something to that effect, or we will be the only platform that wont allow access to Google services. Its bad enough apps like Waze are abandoned, but to add on top no native access to Google calendars etc. Not going to draw converts from Android with that. We cant honestly expect someone to ditch a platform all together. Windows Mobile has lost, MS has all but admitted that. So instead of wasting money on the numerous companies they buy every year do something to help what they claim will be pointed at businesses. Businesses use Google services, a lot of them do. If we sit back and say we don't need Google.... that would be the true end to the platform. Pay Google to support us, get some UWP apps for everything, that can HURT the bottom line. My $ number was an example. And work arounds are NOT a solution. WE will do it, but cant expect a newb to walk into a store, look at a phone, ask if their Google contacts and calendar can be imported, then be told the umpteen steps to do it. Instead of a couple clicks, and entering credentials.
    Any time now I expect to hear that windows 10 is now on 400 million devices. In the next 6 months, that number might be at 500 million to give a conservative estimate. At which figure will Google feel the pressure to start developing apps for the windows platform? When the numbers reach 1 billion, will Google still decline to develop apps for the windows platform? there are less than 1 billion iphone users and they have google apps, don't they? When did Google decide to develop for them? When the users were 1 billion? 500 million?

    The UWP strategy is working, it will put pressure on Google and other developers to stop ignoring the windows 10 platform. The more the users, the more the pressure. People will continue to buy windows 10 devices. the numbers will grow. Store will get better, apps will increase
    400 million w10 users that also happen to be part of the 2 billion android devices out there, i think devs think they have the audience covered already :P
    08-06-2016 01:00 AM
  23. nedarata's Avatar
    less restarts
    you need to restart even just to disable vibration for navigation bar, or changing system language. changing keyboard language also needs to restart with "installing updates gears" animation
    gadgets app also needed restart. even earlier glance versions needed restart
    in setup (after reset) changing language requires restart

    speaking about vibration for navigation bar there are 2 places in settings to enable/disable it. what where they thinking?
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    08-06-2016 01:19 AM
  24. EspHack's Avatar
    speaking about vibration for navigation bar there are 2 places in settings to enable/disable it. what where they thinking?
    nokia had to step in adding features to wp because apparently the worlds biggest software company wasnt able to, on its own brand new OS

    so there you have the old implementation from nokia hanging around while microsoft plants his new implementation alongside it
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    08-06-2016 02:01 AM
  25. Guytronic's Avatar
    So which features have to be available in all windows mobile devices? As a bare minimum?
    My wants:
    1. 16 GB internal with an SD slot supporting 64 GB
    2. Front facing speaker or dual speakers
    3. Headphone jack on the bottom
    4. Hardware camera button
    5. 5.5 1080p screen
    6. 3000 MAH battery
    7. Glitch free OS
    8. USB C 3.0
    9. Intel CPU
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    08-06-2016 02:21 AM
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