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  1. DavidTheGiant's Avatar
    What do you think about this guys? Instagram developers are way more active on updating and bringing stability to their app whereas Facebook developers haven't put attention on their Messenger and Facebook apps for almost a month now. But didn't facebook already bought instagram? So that means it's the same developers? or not? oh well.. still waiting for the Facebook and Messenger updates for mobile.. :(
    Ariel Takom likes this.
    09-29-2016 08:56 PM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    Lol yes they belong to one company now, but I'm pretty sure the ig dev team is still there so different teams.. different results
    abhishek singh21 likes this.
    09-29-2016 09:33 PM
  3. EspHack's Avatar
    you forgot instagram was in beta ever since they released it like 2 years ago until recently? I mean literally that app was a one-off for them, almost useless

    the thing is I dont fully blame fb for this, microsoft gave them porting options, they encouraged developers to use them, facebook did that, and here is what happened, you can blame fb for not "optimizing" or anything, but you dont know under what terms are they allowed to operate according to microsoft's app porting guidelines, there's a good portion of potentially good apps that are hindered by microsoft's incompetence, I just asked proshot recently about 5.1 recording, their reply was simply "sorry, out of our hands, microsoft doesnt provide much control over mics"
    09-29-2016 09:49 PM
  4. DavidTheGiant's Avatar
    But what really bothered me the most is at first they we're so active on updating the app on it's BETA days but now it looks like they seem to abandon the mobile version of their apps.. leaving us with some crashes and instability. And yeah the PC version of Facebook and Messenger looks more updated and it's the one that gets most of the attention from them :(
    09-30-2016 03:13 AM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    I'm pleased with Instagram's work. For once, Windows 10 Mobile hasn't been as far behind. It seems like they update the app on a monthly basis. I hope that it will continue to be this way.
    Last edited by libra89; 09-30-2016 at 09:43 AM. Reason: edited typo
    09-30-2016 07:47 AM
  6. gjbcapital's Avatar
    Facebook used their own tools for the porting. If you check the apps when running using the device portal option, there are osmeta libraries taking 300 MB for each one of them. This is why FB Messenger Instagram are so slow on 1GB ram phones.
    Blomsternisse likes this.
    09-30-2016 08:16 AM
  7. DavidTheGiant's Avatar
    Originally posted by gjbcapital
    Facebook used their own tools for the porting. If you check the apps when running using the device portal option, there are osmeta libraries taking 300 MB for each one of them. This is why FB Messenger Instagram are so slow on 1GB ram phones.
    but Instagram is not slow on my Lumia 550 which has 1gb of RAM only. it runs very smooth unlike FB and Messenger. I think instagram devs really optimized this app unlike facebook devs :(
    libra89 likes this.
    09-30-2016 09:34 AM
  8. xandros9's Avatar
    but Instagram is not slow on my Lumia 550 which has 1gb of RAM only. it runs very smooth unlike FB and Messenger. I think instagram devs really optimized this app unlike facebook devs :(
    They're probably doing the same thing MS is doing and just going with the "good enough" solution.
    09-30-2016 11:40 AM
  9. Maurizio Troso's Avatar
    but Instagram is not slow on my Lumia 550 which has 1gb of RAM only. it runs very smooth unlike FB and Messenger. I think instagram devs really optimized this app unlike facebook devs :(
    Who made Instagram app? MS or Facebook? (like new crappy Facebook and Messenger)
    09-30-2016 11:45 AM
  10. xandros9's Avatar
    Who made Instagram app? MS or Facebook? (like new crappy Facebook and Messenger)
    Facebook owns Instagram, and that team made the app.

    Like now MS owns Skype but Skype like how Skype was meh on Windows Phone.
    09-30-2016 12:06 PM
  11. gjbcapital's Avatar
    All three apps use same facebook porting technology. Instangram loads a little faster but has slow scroling, freezing when uploading a video, artifacts at video playback and some other issues on low spec hardware devices. Bottom line the average user forms the opinion the OS is slow. Average consumer doesn't care if facebook appointed the projects to mediocre developers. It was microsofts job to make sure at least the 20 most used apps were ready and functional at windows 10 release date.
    09-30-2016 12:12 PM
  12. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Instagram as an app also doesn't have much to do unlike the facebook app which has a lot of functions and features to implement
    libra89 likes this.
    10-01-2016 02:16 AM
  13. DavidTheGiant's Avatar
    Originally posted by Chintan Gohel
    Instagram as an app also doesn't have much to do unlike the facebook app which has a lot of functions and features to implement
    messenger as an app also doesn't have much to do.. it's just a messaging app unlike facebook which is actually a full featured social media app.. i hope we will recieve updates for messenger for mobile soon enough :(
    Chintan Gohel likes this.
    10-01-2016 05:54 AM
  14. TechFreak1's Avatar
    you forgot instagram was in beta ever since they released it like 2 years ago until recently? I mean literally that app was a one-off for them, almost useless

    the thing is I dont fully blame fb for this, microsoft gave them porting options, they encouraged developers to use them, facebook did that, and here is what happened, you can blame fb for not "optimizing" or anything, but you dont know under what terms are they allowed to operate according to microsoft's app porting guidelines, there's a good portion of potentially good apps that are hindered by microsoft's incompetence, I just asked proshot recently about 5.1 recording, their reply was simply "sorry, out of our hands, microsoft doesnt provide much control over mics"
    Also don't forget due to WaaS the goal post will move much more frequently as opposed to working towards and with a polished o/s update therefore as xandros9 pointed out - they've gone for the "good enough" solution. The porting tool used for Fb messenger, Fb and Ig app is osmeta (which Facebook bought awhile back) not islandwood.
    Chintan Gohel likes this.
    10-01-2016 09:31 AM
  15. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    messenger as an app also doesn't have much to do.. it's just a messaging app unlike facebook which is actually a full featured social media app.. i hope we will recieve updates for messenger for mobile soon enough :(
    you're right about that too
    10-02-2016 06:28 AM
  16. ven07's Avatar
    you forgot instagram was in beta ever since they released it like 2 years ago until recently? I mean literally that app was a one-off for them, almost useless

    the thing is I dont fully blame fb for this, microsoft gave them porting options, they encouraged developers to use them, facebook did that, and here is what happened, you can blame fb for not "optimizing" or anything, but you dont know under what terms are they allowed to operate according to microsoft's app porting guidelines, there's a good portion of potentially good apps that are hindered by microsoft's incompetence, I just asked proshot recently about 5.1 recording, their reply was simply "sorry, out of our hands, microsoft doesnt provide much control over mics"
    Afaik FB devs did not use the porting tools offered by MS. They used their own tools :/
    10-06-2016 04:30 PM
  17. EspHack's Avatar
    Afaik FB devs did not use the porting tools offered by MS. They used their own tools :/
    alright, lets wonder why did they do that... something wrong with MS's tools? or they just wanted to handle it all by themselves on top of the fact that they were always reluctant to make an app at all in the first place, hmmm...
    10-06-2016 10:29 PM
  18. tj_moore's Avatar
    Most fellow devs I've spoken to that work in mobile apps say they're really impressed by Microsoft's tools, and they're the best tool for cross platform work. Problem is though that development has to start with Windows and port to other platforms for the best results. Most start with iOS and Android and then maybe their business reluctantly thinks about Windows at a later date but wants it at the lowest cost and the devs don't have the budget and time to learn the MS tools.

    On the subject of Facebook, oddly their own app for Win 10 desktop is actually pretty good and even includes live video feature. I guess though it's still not UWP, else they could have easily knocked out a mobile app that is basically the same but formatted for mobile. Instead they've given us a god awful port that's unusable due to instability and functionally lacking.

    Microsoft's own app on the other hand, while I used to moan about it for missing features, is infinitely superior to Facebook's effort. Why can't Facebook just pay MS to update the app? It's in both their interests and especially Microsoft's if they want to launch a Surface phone or whatever. It will tank if the core popular apps are garbage conversions that crash all the time.

    Instagram app is a little better, although still bloated and slow to launch. It is also very unstable on an SD card. 9 times out of 10 I can't get it to post an image without crashing, so give up. Have moved it to phone memory now and see how that goes, but on a 640 phone memory is very limited.

    Anyway, MS's Facebook app I can no longer install. I was able to install but it would only run so long as I remove the Facebook version, but now I can't even install it from the store. No install button at all. Annoying as I removed it so I could clear the memory and try to install it on phone memory, as the 'move' option said not enough memory (despite it claiming it was taking 40mb and phone memory has 1.5gb free supposedly). So if you have the MS app, don't uninstall it! Or if you do, use the FB web site. It seems to be more responsive than any of the apps anyway in Edge. Just you won't get live video, contact syncing etc.
    10-07-2016 03:07 AM
  19. gjbcapital's Avatar
    On the subject of Facebook, oddly their own app for Win 10 desktop is actually pretty good and even includes live video feature. I guess though it's still not UWP, else they could have easily knocked out a mobile app that is basically the same but formatted for mobile. Instead they've given us a god awful port that's unusable due to instability and functionally lacking.
    It's bad on desktop too but an i5 processor has 10 times the power of a mobile phone processor and hides the lag. Introducing the same functionality on the mobile app will probably make it even more unstable.
    ven07 likes this.
    10-07-2016 06:51 AM
  20. DavidTheGiant's Avatar
    It's almost a month now since they last updated the FB and Messenger apps. Instagram got a lot of updates the past month and 3 days ago instagram got another update again. What's happening to the other two ported apps? FB inc? aren't you listening to feedback? or you just don't care at all? :(
    10-08-2016 09:00 PM
  21. tj_moore's Avatar
    I suspect they'll drop development soon, given rumours Surface Phone won't appear for another year or longer and no more lumia phones. No one is going to develop for a platform with no products.
    10-09-2016 03:49 AM
  22. ven07's Avatar
    I suspect they'll drop development soon, given rumours Surface Phone won't appear for another year or longer and no more lumia phones. No one is going to develop for a platform with no products.
    LOL there are products, just not those manufactured by MS... and from what MS has said recently, that's exactly what they wanted
    libra89 likes this.
    10-09-2016 10:48 AM
  23. tj_moore's Avatar
    LOL there are products, just not those manufactured by MS... and from what MS has said recently, that's exactly what they wanted
    That's what they wanted, but it's not happening. The non MS products are extremely limited in number and get zero publicity. No one wants them. Key thing about Surface is it acts as a reference model. Like Google does with their own devices. But Surface Phone doesn't exist and by the time it does (if it does) it's way too late. Got to realise that companies need a year or two planning for their next device and aren't going to even think about it until they see the Surface Phone, which means a year or two longer to see their versions. Not going to happen. Shareholders will demand products now, and that will be Android.

    Ballmer knew they should have got into mobile way earlier, but was overruled. http://winbeta.org/news/steve-ballme...windows-phones

    The future now for Windows on mobile devices is purely enterprise. Even then, how many corporates will give out Windows Phone devices to employees who will hate them because they're not Android or iOS? The only benefit to corporates is they're much easier to manage on a Windows / 365 based domain.

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    11-06-2016 09:21 AM

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