05-19-2017 07:35 AM
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  1. Faisal Islam2's Avatar
    Still full multitasking not available on windows 10 mobile that's annoying
    02-18-2017 08:22 AM
  2. EspHack's Avatar
    everything feels the same for me: manageable

    still on .189 of course, waiting for RS2 rtm
    Vasil Dechkov and libra89 like this.
    02-18-2017 01:37 PM
  3. xrs22's Avatar
    Also its been taking forever to get 14695 for show ring, like all night and hearts up and eats my battery, also downloading apps are taking forever.
    02-19-2017 12:21 AM
  4. VetDuarte's Avatar
    Fast ring, latest update, Lumia 640XL.

    W10 was coming along nicely until this update.
    BT disconnects a lot, or just refuses to connect to my car's radio. BT config just won't open.
    Multitasking, as bad as it was, just got worse. Apps crashing, closing for good, etc.
    I was entertaining taking the Lumia on a week long trip, mainly because of the better battery and the larger screen, but the phone just isn't reliable enough.
    02-19-2017 02:52 PM
  5. anthonyng's Avatar
    Fast ring, latest update, Lumia 640XL.

    W10 was coming along nicely until this update.
    BT disconnects a lot, or just refuses to connect to my car's radio. BT config just won't open.
    Multitasking, as bad as it was, just got worse.
    BT was a known issue Microsoft announced though for the fast ring build, you can't really complain about it not being reliable.
    02-20-2017 01:26 AM
  6. JCDiederiks's Avatar
    its been 6 months since I last has a Windows 10 phone, and I must say the difference is incredible, previously my 930 could hardly go a day without crashing or freezing or both, but now on a new 1520 there's a massive improvement, nice and stable, great battery life, really enjoying it!
    02-20-2017 01:50 AM
  7. Cryio's Avatar
    Just so people understand, the Lumia 920 never competed with the iPhone 5. It competed with the iPhone 4S in GPU and CPU power. iPhone 5 competed with Snapdragon S4 Pro quad/600, 2 GB.

    The Lumia 930 is more or less the one that competed against the 5. Even the 950 XL, in 2015, competed against the iPhone 6, not 6S.
    02-20-2017 01:53 AM
  8. VetDuarte's Avatar
    BT was a known issue Microsoft announced though for the fast ring build, you can't really complain about it not being reliable.
    Well, I think I CAN complain. :)

    How long since 10 is out? We HAVE GOT to have a place where "beta" is not an excuse for "we don't have a clue what we are doing so we keep cycling defects".

    Being beta and all can't really forgive the perpetual mess we get every update.

    Update means going forward and fixing stuff. That's not what we see...

    Sent from mTalk
    02-22-2017 10:00 AM
  9. anthonyng's Avatar
    Well, I think I CAN complain. :)

    How long since 10 is out? We HAVE GOT to have a place where "beta" is not an excuse for "we don't have a clue what we are doing so we keep cycling defects".

    Being beta and all can't really forgive the perpetual mess we get every update.

    Update means going forward and fixing stuff. That's not what we see...

    Sent from mTalk
    Yes you can complain but you have to be cognizant of what they want insiders to do for them. And the place where '"beta" is not an excuse' is called Windows 10 Production. Or even Release Preview if you're adventurous ;)

    I know you probably know the following response and you'll say yes you accepted the insider warning but if people keep complaining then this has to be said and in actuality, you don't accept the insider warning lol.

    Insiders are to test stuff out and give comment on the stuff they did. They obviously didn't want any comment about bluetooth stuff since they straight out and said it wasn't working well. But they listed all this other stuff they wanted comment on. It doesn't matter how they go about developing and releasing in the fast ring.... they want to see if something they did breaks anything and they already knew about bluetooth settings/settings menu and stuff.

    Maybe this retrenchment/breaking stuff on insider was on purpose to clean up the insider ring membership lol.
    mattiasnyc and a5cent like this.
    02-22-2017 11:04 AM
  10. VetDuarte's Avatar
    Yes you can complain but you have to be cognizant of what they want insiders to do for them. And the place where '"beta" is not an excuse' is called Windows 10 Production. Or even Release Preview if you're adventurous ;)

    I know you probably know the following response and you'll say yes you accepted the insider warning but if people keep complaining then this has to be said and in actuality, you don't accept the insider warning lol.

    Insiders are to test stuff out and give comment on the stuff they did. They obviously didn't want any comment about bluetooth stuff since they straight out and said it wasn't working well. But they listed all this other stuff they wanted comment on. It doesn't matter how they go about developing and releasing in the fast ring.... they want to see if something they did breaks anything and they already knew about bluetooth settings/settings menu and stuff.

    Maybe this retrenchment/breaking stuff on insider was on purpose to clean up the insider ring membership lol.
    Or, maybe, and this (can't) be a shock to any Windows long time user, this is just MS screwing around with software.
    Ever since we have Windows, and MS for the matter, RELEASED products get to the shelves screwed. It just couldn't be any better with beta.
    For all you said and meant, all I can agree is that, yes, this is my fault for using it. "IT" being W10 beta software or MS altogether.


    There's a cure for this kind of dependence, this Stockholm syndrome if you may. And, curious enough, MS is the sole provider: now that they abandon hardware every year or so (just another way of screwing), I guess I may find myself cured.

    Sent from mTalk
    02-22-2017 11:57 AM
  11. anthonyng's Avatar
    @VetDuarte yea it sucks nothing is perfect out of the box but it's like that ever since google popularized beta as production and were basically applauded for it.

    Now there is so much pressure to release before it's too late. Release before someone beats you to it. Then it does get better eventually.

    And in terms of windows OS being screwed, maybe cause I don't use enough stuff but with every iteration of windows I still managed to get my work done and can't really say the annoying bugs ever affected my ability to work. Well maybe early in 8.1 when every time my sp3 went to sleep I lost everything lol.
    @PerfectReign had an amusing commentary about his android auto experience.
    02-22-2017 12:30 PM
  12. Mark F24's Avatar
    I have been running 14393.726 on my 950 for a while, I had an odd problem yesterday morning where Cortana wouldn't answer an incoming text. A reboot took care of it. I go weeks without restarting my phone, I don't know if that is an issue or not. I have been using Loco Music instead of Groove because it kills my battery. I would routinely have to charge after 11-12 hours. yesterday after 11 hours I had 50%. Looking up.
    02-23-2017 05:40 AM
  13. mrpuny's Avatar
    I came to this forum after a bit of a hiatus to post something similar to the OP, but then I found this thread. I switched to Android last year, currently using an Honor 5X. The most recent Windows phone I was running before that was a Lumia 640 which initially was on Insider builds of Win10M but eventually I went back to the production builds. After some initial back and forth, I've been using Android full time for the better part of the last year.

    I've kept the 640 around just to see how things go with Win10M, and for the last several months, I've used it around the house as a sort of mini tablet. Literally two days ago I decided to swap my SIM back in, and I've been amazed. The experience has been surprisingly good. I always liked the live tiles interface. Still do; it's like having an old friend back. But more importantly, the phone seems to be... working. I mean when I switched to Android, W10M was a mess. Laggy, crashy, and apps I used like the Insteon app were broken. But the past couple of days, Win10M has been performing smoothly, and the 640 is definitely dated hardware at this point so that's great. And apps that I've been using like Tunein radio, Insteon, even my Ring doorbell app seem to be working fine.

    Now I know that this sounds like damning with faint praise, but I'm really impressed, especially with the sort of dire stories that surround Windows phone (plunging market share, apps leaving, etc.) Despite all that, clearly the Windows team has been continuing to work on the core of the platform, and it's in much better shape today than it was last year. And I hope that means good things for the Windows 10 platform overall going forward. Now there are still apps I want to continue using on Android that aren't available on Win10M, so I can't see myself switching back exclusively anytime soon, if ever, but at least now I have a glimmer of hope for the future.

    I'm even now thinking what would have been unthinkable for me last year. I'm toying with the idea of picking up a higher end Windows phone like the Idol 4s, because there are some Continuum scenarios I'd like to experiment with, and also the Honor 5X's fingerprint sensor has spoiled me for biometric sensors on phones.
    02-23-2017 03:41 PM
  14. ejbrod1's Avatar
    Received the latest build last week and the phone has been really bad again. The issues are:
    • Freezing while on the internet
      Camera not launching from the button
      Glance not working
      Not turning on from double tap
      Not turning on from button press
      On calls when taking phone from face screen stays black
      Poor call quality
      When trying to end call freezing up
      Battery life terrible - 5/4 hours from a full charge
      Frost Free app has not worked since last 2 updates
      Tiles not updating

    Build 10.0.15063.297
    FW 01078.00053.16236.35022
    HW 2.1.6.2
    Radio BO25c43.00024.0001
    SOC 8992

    Anyone else having these issues?
    05-15-2017 06:17 AM
  15. my640's Avatar
    My 640 is running great now that I am no longer on the insider program. No complaints whatsoever.
    Drael646464 likes this.
    05-16-2017 01:07 AM
  16. wgrs's Avatar
    I never did a hard reset on any iOS device, as it is simply not necessary. Hard resets only when you sell a phone and need to clean up everything.

    But here we are on Windows, and the OS is so much broken that indeed a hard reset helps when things get dirty.

    Of course you need at least half a day to restore everything, because even a "backup" is not what it is on other systems. Lots of fiddling and settings necessary, lots of data not saved by a "restore".
    05-16-2017 03:55 AM
  17. Drael646464's Avatar
    Whoa, who would have thought? 💩💩🐱👤
    Makes sense really. Because its in feature2, and msft are working on the core, the bugs will be being ironed out. When its merged with the improved core, it should be pretty tight.
    05-16-2017 04:59 AM
  18. Drael646464's Avatar
    I never did a hard reset on any iOS device, as it is simply not necessary. Hard resets only when you sell a phone and need to clean up everything.

    But here we are on Windows, and the OS is so much broken that indeed a hard reset helps when things get dirty.

    Of course you need at least half a day to restore everything, because even a "backup" is not what it is on other systems. Lots of fiddling and settings necessary, lots of data not saved by a "restore".
    Its the same on android, that you need to reset sometimes. Apple have it pretty easy software wise, they code for one hardware platform, limited range, and they have a very simple UI, with not a great deal of features. Android and Windows both try to achieve a lot more, it terms of the code, inter device compatibility, functions, management. The software stack is a great deal more complicated in both.
    iOS hasn't even significantly changed its UI since release - its still basically 2005 in ios world. Different goals. If apples software project in ios were more ambitious, like its desktop OS, it would also suffer more issues - not that it is without them as I am sure many iPhone users can attest - app crashes are actually more common in ios, than in android.
    FXi2 likes this.
    05-16-2017 05:01 AM
  19. milkyway's Avatar
    Makes sense really. Because its in feature2, and msft are working on the core, the bugs will be being ironed out. When its merged with the improved core, it should be pretty tight.
    You still believe W10M be merged again with W10?
    a5cent likes this.
    05-16-2017 07:27 AM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    You still believe W10M be merged again with W10?
    Of course. I've never not believed that.

    MSFT stated that feature2 was because of work ongoing onecore (and I can understand why they are doing that with WoA coming out, project scorpio, windows s AND the rumoured cshell - unifying the platform across devices is quite a task, especially with a raft of new windows 10 variants coming out).

    Splitting development branches is not that uncommon and occurs for a variety of reasons, such as delaying features for user testing. In this case its because of all the changes needed to the central unifying code, due to all that new software it needs to run. Literally how could they NOT put all hands on deck to perfect the onecore code, and put that first in line?

    With windows s, and windows on arm, and the console platform, all attracting devs to full UWP (and the software bridges, and new xamarin), and the complete impracticality of WoA ever running on a phone, I can't see why any company in this situation would abandon mobile at this point.

    Clearly its 100% full steam ahead with the UWP platform. The whole point of which is to unify devices. I very much doubt MS will give up on telephony based devices, or wearables, or smarthome or machine learning or any other device player in our immediate future. They just want that development base, in order to make it competitive. And strategically that's complicated, practically its a lot of coding and hardware manufacture. It requires an extreme sense of time sensitive priorities, and a careful selection thereof.

    If they put win10 mobile first in this instance, it would make no sense at all. Who's going to come to a mobile platform that has less than 1/3 of the apps of competitors? And there's the whole issue of the ongoing battles in domains they do have sway in - notebooks, tablets, consoles AND future techs everyone is battling for VR/AR, machine learning.

    Now in history is kind of a key moment for MS. They could make or break.

    It's just on a backburner a little because the other pieces have to be in place (mindshare, the surface brand, a novel piece of hardware, the uwp platform itself most importantly - and all the moves that lead to it). It's also because of course, mobile as a cash cow, is about to shrink. Better to be first to the party on something else, than last to the party that's about to become less profitable.

    Packing up shop now, especially when its still making and not costing money would be weird. Phones, in some form, will stay around, even if they aren't the investment opportunity they are now. If they quit now, that would baffle me, TBH, commercially. The strategy they are playing right now seems a lot smarter than all that, in a business sense.

    I don't think the rejoin to the main branch will be that far off. Redstone 3 development is still early. I don't think win10m will get a lot of feature updates in the FCU though. Given all that's being packed in, it'll likely be entirely trickle down.

    Windows 10 mobile IS their mobile platform, well that and IoT core, just like every other branch, it will continue to be developed, when they have the time. If they gave it up, it would be like surrendering the entire objective, the whole vision, their survival and comeback strategy.

    Even if they take hits in the hardware market, or marketshare, right now MS pretty much HAVE to believe in the whole onecore, conversation as a platform, mobile first, cloud first, one OS across hardware, UWP, 0d to 3d ;vision. It's sustained progress and momentum that will likely define their success or failure, with such a big and ambitious project.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-16-2017 at 08:19 AM.
    05-16-2017 07:52 AM
  21. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    Mine was great until the creators update. Total garbage release, they branched the code and missed a bunch of fixes from the pre creators update branch.

    So frustrating that the biggest software company in the world can't manage simple cherry picks.
    05-16-2017 08:03 AM
  22. hughjazz44's Avatar
    Received the latest build last week and the phone has been really bad again. The issues are:
    • Freezing while on the internet
      Camera not launching from the button
      Glance not working
      Not turning on from double tap
      Not turning on from button press
      On calls when taking phone from face screen stays black
      Poor call quality
      When trying to end call freezing up
      Battery life terrible - 5/4 hours from a full charge
      Frost Free app has not worked since last 2 updates
      Tiles not updating

    Build 10.0.15063.297
    FW 01078.00053.16236.35022
    HW 2.1.6.2
    Radio BO25c43.00024.0001
    SOC 8992

    Anyone else having these issues?
    Yes. Creator's Update is total garbage.
    I did a phone restore to get rid of it, only to have the phone auto-update itself again while I slept!
    05-16-2017 01:14 PM
  23. FXi2's Avatar
    I like the changes made. BT is slightly problematic in that it won't connect to the Polar HR7 but being an Icon, I'm frozen in time. The rest of the system works a treat and hats off to the team for doing a great job in spite of what the future holds. Stuck with VZ - so IOS for me I think in the Fall. But would loved to have seen a future for 10. And of course we know it will live on in other things so that's a good thing.
    05-19-2017 07:35 AM
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