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  1. anon(10103970)'s Avatar
    I've got just recently a 950 and couldn't be happier. Great smartphone, awesome camera and W10 Mobile rocks. Especially if you're already using W10 on desktop and/or an Xbox One. I'm rockin' a Surface Pro 4 and a Xbox One S. All works so great together! I was coming from an iPhone SE and prior to that Android. None of them fit my taste. It all comes down to apps (and games), but luckily in my case W10 offers everything I need.
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    12-10-2016 07:16 AM
  2. wgrs's Avatar
    The app gap isn't such a big issue for me. I use the Lumia with Maps, Email, Browser, weather, calendar. These are all fine.

    For anything serious, I have my iPad. I like big displays and there is no app gap.

    The problem with W10M is the bugginess of the system. Camera app broken, live tiles don't update, Plex suddenly cannot play music and things like that. Just too tiring to see that MS has such low quality control. Many common bugs aren't fixed for many months.
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    12-10-2016 08:42 AM
  3. Joe920's Avatar
    I use the Lumia with Maps
    I really hope they keep working on their maps app given that even Waze has left the building. Right now whenever I need to open MS maps I go "ugh". They made it such a jumble of features.. Anybody here use tabs in the maps app? I'd rather have a clear search history than tabs. For navigation I get the sense that I need to hit navigate-go-isaidgo on three different locations on the screen. Probably user error, but I'm still not used to it. And if I want to edit an address or copy it it's in a different place than the search box. Thanks to the nerds for adding functionality, now can they please call a UI designer? /unexpectedrant :)
    12-10-2016 09:32 AM
  4. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Stop and think will you? Has Microsoft at any big event this year ever mentioned Windows 10 mobile?
    MS did at "Ignite", speaking specifically about Continuum updates.

    They have thrown in the towel.
    Then why work on Continuum? Why continue updates on the phones with W10M?

    Windows on ARM isn't even Windows 10 mobile IoT.
    Right, it's much more than that.

    No mobile payment,
    I think I told you before that my bank's app supports mobile payment, as well as MS Wallet. Why would you perpetuate this inaccuracy? It's one thing to make an assumption which turns out to be wrong and one thereby shows that one is ignorant about something, and a completely different thing to say the same thing again after having been told one was wrong. It's no longer even willful ignorance but something else.

    Read this thread, it is enlightening. The arguments used were pretty much the same, and yet here we are after new phones were launched, after new software was launched.

    I think giving you credit actually equals you having an ulterior motive with your constant assertion that the OS is dead, i.e. you're trolling. For the sake of this community it'd probably be best if the admin got rid of your account. Just my 2 cents.
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    12-10-2016 10:55 AM
  5. slivy58's Avatar
    I doubt that there are many here who keep their phones until the battery/software/hardware starts to fail.
    Had to laugh at that one. No word of a lie the only phones I've EVER owned that had hardware issues have all been Windows Phones with fails or unnatural behaviours happening within days of owning them, obviously my bad luck but... First was my 1020, camera crapped out on day 8, then we got the 830 and it's capacitive back button being flaky (real annoyance at times), finally my 650 with it's "cold display don't want to play" issue.

    As to whether WM makes sense or its future? The sense part comes down to one's expectations of the platform, will it do what you need it to and can you live without in regards to apps and features. Future, its presence in the marketplace and how things have been evolving are pretty good tell-tail signs that it is bleak in the sense, don't expect much to change in the short term. If you can accept those facts and are fine dealing with them then by all means go for it. Going by my experiences I'd be the last person to recommend as a "daily driver" though.
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    12-10-2016 11:17 AM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I've got just recently a 950 and couldn't be happier. Great smartphone, awesome camera and W10 Mobile rocks. Especially if you're already using W10 on desktop and/or an Xbox One. I'm rockin' a Surface Pro 4 and a Xbox One S. All works so great together! I was coming from an iPhone SE and prior to that Android. None of them fit my taste. It all comes down to apps (and games), but luckily in my case W10 offers everything I need.
    Explain it to Wolfjt, he seems to think we're all miserable with Windows Mobile and we're all doomed to a miserable existence if we stay on this sinking ship.
    12-10-2016 12:14 PM
  7. Wolfjt's Avatar
    Explain it to Wolfjt, he seems to think we're all miserable with Windows Mobile and we're all doomed to a miserable existence if we stay on this sinking ship.
    Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
    12-10-2016 12:32 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    Explain it to Wolfjt, he seems to think we're all miserable with Windows Mobile and we're all doomed to a miserable existence if we stay on this sinking ship.
    The difference in opinion seems to be, I think, that some people believe the Mobile landscape will not change from where it is today. MS may have conceded the current structure but appears to be designing a new one. Some of us can hold out to see if that occurs and some cannot. Either way I'm glad we have choices and don't all have to use the same platform.

    Sent from mTalk
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    12-10-2016 12:46 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The difference in opinion seems to be, I think, that some people believe the Mobile landscape will not change from where it is today. MS may have conceded the current structure but appears to be designing a new one. Some of us can hold out to see if that occurs and some cannot. Either way I'm glad we have choices and don't all have to use the same platform.

    Sent from mTalk

    That's precisely the point, it's working for many TODAY. None of us know how the future will unfold and none of know if our CURRENT devices will work with the Windows 10 Mobile of tomorrow. None of us know if developers will support the upcoming x86 support since UWP will not be necessary. In fact, it will not be necessary to install apps through the Windows Store anymore so it might be a financial incentive for devs to sell directly to end users.

    Either way, the ONLY thing thing that matters is that the platform is working today and anybody who bought into the Windows 10 Mobile platform did so because of what is working TODAY. I can't understand why that's such a difficult concept for some. Microsoft should put a warning label on all its products in big, bold pink letters: I never promised you a Rose Garden.
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    12-10-2016 12:59 PM
  10. slivy58's Avatar
    Explain it to Wolfjt, he seems to think we're all miserable with Windows Mobile and we're all doomed to a miserable existence if we stay on this sinking ship.
    Obviously you both are tolerant of WM inadequacies and are willing to accept “good enough”, doubt the majority are though not even enterprise.
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    12-10-2016 01:01 PM
  11. libra89's Avatar

    Had to laugh at that one. No word of a lie the only phones I've EVER owned that had hardware issues have all been Windows Phones with fails or unnatural behaviours happening within days of owning them, obviously my bad luck but... First was my 1020, camera crapped out on day 8, then we got the 830 and it's capacitive back button being flaky (real annoyance at times), finally my 650 with it's "cold display don't want to play" issue.

    As to whether WM makes sense or its future? The sense part comes down to one's expectations of the platform, will it do what you need it to and can you live without in regards to apps and features. Future, its presence in the marketplace and how things have been evolving are pretty good tell-tail signs that it is bleak in the sense, don't expect much to change in the short term. If you can accept those facts and are fine dealing with them then by all means go for it. Going by my experiences I'd be the last person to recommend as a "daily driver" though.
    Wow that sucks that you have had all of those experiences, just on one platform.

    For my statement, you are a true exception and yet, you're still trying to use the platform. Major props to you. If I was in your shoes, not sure that I would bother. I have had Android phones with issues before but it's generally been a lemon or just bad for me.

    It's funny how we can choose to deal with things/people that make our lives a bit more difficult in the name of really liking something.

    For me, I know that I get battery anxiety so I choose phones that I wouldn't find myself waking up in a panic wondering if my phone will be able to get through the next morning.
    I say that but yet the 650 gives me that anxiety. Because I like the platform and I want to see where it goes, I still want to own one. My compromise is to not use it as a phone more than twice a week. My brother thinks this is strange but eh.
    12-10-2016 01:12 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Obviously you both are tolerant of WM inadequacies and are willing to accept good enough, doubt the majority are though not even enterprise.
    Tolerant of its inadequacies and being aware of its limitations are not in the same spectrum. I've said this before many times on these boards, there is no one size fits all.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
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    12-10-2016 01:17 PM
  13. slivy58's Avatar
    For me, I know that I get battery anxiety so I choose phones that I wouldn't find myself waking up in a panic wondering if my phone will be able to get through the next morning.
    Funny you should mention that cuz I get that too LOL. Know most of my phones are more than capable for my needs yet I've always got an Eagle Eye on that aspect.
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    12-10-2016 01:24 PM
  14. slivy58's Avatar
    Tolerant of its inadequacies and being aware of its limitations are not in the same spectrum. I've said this before many times on these boards, there is no one size fits all.
    Well if you are aware of its limitations and still use it then obviously you are willing to tolerate the inadequacies correct?... If it lacks then it has limits.
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    12-10-2016 01:31 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    Tolerant of its inadequacies and being aware of its limitations are not in the same spectrum. I've said this before many times on these boards, there is no one size fits all.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    Exactly. Every platform has it's inadequcies. It's about finding the one that is most tolerable. None are perfect.

    Sent from mTalk
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    12-10-2016 01:48 PM
  16. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Obviously you both are tolerant of WM inadequacies and are willing to accept good enough, doubt the majority are though not even enterprise.
    Ok, but I posted a list of issues with the latest iOS version. Aren't we also saying that the Apple customers are equally willing to accept a "good enough" when so much is broken on the OS release?

    I think the to me obvious answer is "yes". You go and buy an expensive beautiful device and when it doesn't work you do your best to look the other way, while complaining and trying to get it to work. I've seen this from Apple users for a long time now. Every time a new model has a crappy hard drive that breaks or a screen that breaks - all above average time-to-failure - it's always an exception. And if it isn't an exception on that device it's an exception on the model. Everything else is always almost perfect. That's because the user is in love with the device and company and can't get beyond that.

    "Good enough" isn't a derogatory term, it's highly accurate of something very reasonable. You pick the parameters of what you need and want, and if the device 'ticks all the boxes' it is 'good enough'. What else do you need? Literally. If you need something else then it isn't 'good enough'. It's just that simple.

    What is the benefit to me of having apps available that I will never ever use? Or games? How do I benefit? I don't. So, to me, omitting any such software doesn't change things one bit, except if the price comes down of course.
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    12-10-2016 02:03 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well if you are aware of its limitations and still use it then obviously you are willing to tolerate the inadequacies correct?... If it lacks then it has limits.
    I'll be specific. No iOS device has a file manager, inadequate for my needs. Android has no Continuum equivalent, inadequate for my needs. Andromium is a beta joke, don't go there.

    Windows 10 Mobile checks off my most pressing needs. If "good enough" fits my requirements, then I guess I'm just one of those who settles for 2nd best. Depending on my task for any given day, I trade Continuum for the goodness of the Hub on my Passport or the ability to access my desktop files via Blend.

    You see, everybody has different needs. Please don't tell me what I do or don't need without knowing what my use case scenario is.
    12-10-2016 04:34 PM
  18. slivy58's Avatar
    Ok, but I posted a list of issues with the latest iOS version. Aren't we also saying that the Apple customers are equally willing to accept a "good enough" when so much is broken on the OS release?

    I think the to me obvious answer is "yes". You go and buy an expensive beautiful device and when it doesn't work you do your best to look the other way, while complaining and trying to get it to work. I've seen this from Apple users for a long time now. Every time a new model has a crappy hard drive that breaks or a screen that breaks - all above average time-to-failure - it's always an exception. And if it isn't an exception on that device it's an exception on the model. Everything else is always almost perfect. That's because the user is in love with the device and company and can't get beyond that.

    "Good enough" isn't a derogatory term, it's highly accurate of something very reasonable. You pick the parameters of what you need and want, and if the device 'ticks all the boxes' it is 'good enough'. What else do you need? Literally. If you need something else then it isn't 'good enough'. It's just that simple.

    What is the benefit to me of having apps available that I will never ever use? Or games? How do I benefit? I don't. So, to me, omitting any such software doesn't change things one bit, except if the price comes down of course.
    From my experiences and going by those around me that are using the competition, Android/iOS has not been nowhere near as problematic as WM.

    If you look at phones stats by platforms that are in use today, Android 1.5+ billion, iOS 1+ billion, with Windows coming in at 400 million DEVICES. Now if we were reeeal generous and took 50 million of that as being WM it pales in comparison to the others, it would then only stand to reason why you'd hear more complaints coming from the “other camps”.
    12-10-2016 06:49 PM
  19. slivy58's Avatar
    I'll be specific. No iOS device has a file manager, inadequate for my needs. Android has no Continuum equivalent, inadequate for my needs. Andromium is a beta joke, don't go there.

    Windows 10 Mobile checks off my most pressing needs. If "good enough" fits my requirements, then I guess I'm just one of those who settles for 2nd best. Depending on my task for any given day, I trade Continuum for the goodness of the Hub on my Passport or the ability to access my desktop files via Blend.

    You see, everybody has different needs. Please don't tell me what I do or don't need without knowing what my use case scenario is.
    I’m not sure how “WM still has major issues with limiting factors and can't run reliably across same devices” becomes “WM isn’t for you so get out”. We were pretty much pointing out facts that have been proven and if you are not seeing its pitfalls, works for you and satisfies your needs, then all the more power to you.

    As with any platform I can see the good and bad in them all, the one thing I won’t do is sugar-coat the facts because it fits my needs. Like Android for instance, works for me but might be a tad too overwhelming and complicated for many people I know, and even though we haven’t had any problems personally we’ll point out security issues associated w/Droid. When it comes down to it iPhone is my recommendation of choice as it works for the masses, we will point out its limitations, how Apple has a stranglehold, and the price(s) to be paid. Same goes for WM, I may use it myself yet won’t hesitate to point out its idiosyncrasies as well.

    So you may look at my comments as an attack on you personally but to me it is a way of letting the unsuspecting know that WM still needs much finessing, simple as that.
    Last edited by Elky64; 12-10-2016 at 08:53 PM.
    12-10-2016 06:53 PM
  20. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    From my experiences and going by those around me that are using the competition, Android/iOS has not been nowhere near as problematic as WM.
    My LG G2X was far, far, FAAAAR more problematic than my 950. Doesn't even compare. Now, of course, you can say that my phone was old and only received two updates (!!!), but so what? Does it mean Android sucks? Or LG?

    Your experiences are your experiences and nobody else's. We all have experiences though, so I go by what I have experienced. I don't care if others had problem X with their 950 unless I can verify that it's something I'm likely to encounter (meaning I do wish they have a good experience, but it doesn't detract from mine).

    If you look at phones stats by platforms that are in use today, Android 1.5+ billion, iOS 1+ billion, with Windows coming in at 400 million DEVICES. Now if we were reeeal generous and took 50 million of that as being WM it pales in comparison to the others, it would then only stand to reason why you'd hear more complaints coming from the other camps.
    The list I posted wasn't from users, it was from a tech journalist who went through all the issues with the latest iOS release along with solutions or workarounds to them. But of course you're right, with a much larger user base you'll see a lot more complaints, I don't dispute that at all. The question is how users respond to issues they encounter.

    Look, my main problem with a lot of complaints is that there's no attempt to figure out just how to evaluate things. So, for example, if a user does something on the device and the device doesn't respond as expected, what is the procedure for "evaluating" what happened? How does one figure out if this was user error, third party error, a software bug, or a hardware malfunction. Once the procedure for figuring that out has been set, IF we are to compare W10M with other mobile OS, then we have to use the same procedure for evaluating them, otherwise the comparison is flawed.

    So, if a user tries something, it doesn't work, and then he goes off on a forum and complains about it, and we are supposed to take that complaint at face value as being true, factually true, then the exact same thing applies to evaluating any other mobile OS. And if a user complains but then says that everything is great and this is the greatest device since 199ever, then we shall certainly do the same ourselves concerning our devices.

    In other words, if personal experience counts as evidence for why W10M is riddled with problems, then personal experience counts as evidence for why W10M is not riddled with problems. See what I'm saying? If we demand that bugs are verified by official tech support before we acknowledge them for iOS, then certainly the same shall apply here, etc.

    I'm all for evaluating alternatives, but the bar should be placed equally for all.
    12-10-2016 07:47 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Im not sure how WM still has major issues with limiting factors and can't run reliably across same devices becomes WM isnt for you so get out. We were pretty much point out facts that have been proven and if you are not seeing its pitfalls, works for you and satisfies your needs, then all the more power to you.

    As with any platform I can see the good and bad in them all, the one thing I wont do is sugar-coat the facts because it fits my needs. Like Android for instance, works for me but might be a tad too overwhelming and complicated for many people I know, and even though we havent had any problems personally well point out security issues associated w/Droid. When it comes down to it iPhone is my recommendation of choice as it works for the masses, we will point out its limitations, how Apple has a stranglehold, and the price(s) to be paid. Same goes for WM, I may use it myself yet wont hesitate to point out its idiosyncrasies as well.

    So you may look at my comments as an attack on you personally but to me it is a way of letting the unsuspecting know that WM still needs much finessing, simple as that.
    No, I don't think you're attacking me personally. I just think you have an agenda for some reason. I point out to the "unsuspecting" what W10M can do while you are obsessed with what it can't do. Your needs aren't everybody else's and you don't want to or are unable to understand that. I personally don't recommend W10M to anybody I know because it's not my place. I point out what it can and can't do based on what they want. But only if I'm asked my opinion.
    12-10-2016 08:27 PM
  22. slivy58's Avatar
    No, I don't think you're attacking me personally. I just think you have an agenda for some reason. I point out to the "unsuspecting" what W10M can do while you are obsessed with what it can't do. Your needs aren't everybody else's and you don't want to or are unable to understand that. I personally don't recommend W10M to anybody I know because it's not my place. I point out what it can and can't do based on what they want. But only if I'm asked my opinion.
    No agenda, just the facts as myself and many others have seen/experienced them so not sure where that is a crime. Again, you are making it out as if I'm trying to sway you or everyone else's preference yet it matters not to me what one has chosen to use.

    Do believe (correct me if I'm wrong) the title of this thread is "WP10 - does it make sense to buy phone with it? How the future of this OS will look like?", unless I missed something where does it say "positive experiences need only apply"?


    So having been around and using WP/WM since 2012 along with seeing it evolve, using the other two platforms, then having found out the cons outweigh the pros do you really think I'm going to tout it as being a good choice or worthy, of course not. Not saying there aren't any good qualities but if as a whole it doesn't gel then it becomes a negative, simple as that. Don't know too many that would put up with it in its present state especially if most fixes for an ailment were a hard reset. The app-gap has grown from my perspective, the platform is still inconsistent in nature and unstable at times, the store is a disgrace, and on and on we could go.

    Oh ya, did praise the 650 somewhat, more so on the hardware front because the OS really has a way of ruining a good thing.
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    12-10-2016 11:15 PM
  23. Byrese's Avatar
    If you can find a W10M phone on a deal why not? There's no doubt that android and ios are better in must respects. But after using android for almost a year and coming back I can tell you that W10M, IMO, is far easier to operate and does better at quickly communicating via text or social media. And at the end it the day that's really all you need for the mist part.

    The thing is that at this point to have a W10M you have to be fan. I love Windows. If u like it just do it. Just don't do it at full price.

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    12-10-2016 11:33 PM
  24. Aleksandar Grbic's Avatar
    People who are defending Windows Phone here (including myself) are doing that because the only thing that keeps us going with this platform is that little doze of hope. Besides that (and this comes from a person who is using WM since 2011), I suggest you to either go with Android or iOS unless you want to go to 99.9999% of the webpages and services and realize that under download section, your OS will NEVER EVER exist. Windows Phone in the most harsh way despite how ugly it might sound to us fans is absolutely in every way IRRELEVANT platform, its loosing its already poor market share and even the most biggest companies like Google, Facebook etc. didn't even bother to build their apps for it after like 7 years of the existence.

    This platform is not getting any better and the updates we are getting, endless hotfixes which fix X and break Y things are not changing anything. Until MS invests a lot of money in this platform, unless they start caring for it and give it some love, it will continue sinking until it hits the very bottom and its getting there very fast.

    There, super honest opinion of a huge WM fan.
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    12-11-2016 12:40 AM
  25. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    People who are defending Windows Phone here (including myself) are doing that because the only thing that keeps us going with this platform is that little doze of hope.
    Speak for yourself. I'm a) pointing out bad arguments and inaccuracies as I see them, and b) "defending" W10M because it does what I want it to do, and it does it on a great phone I got for a great price.
    12-11-2016 01:39 AM
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