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  1. Axeelant's Avatar
    I'm quite happy with my experience. Everything I installed on 8.1 is mostly still here and working. It could be much worse tho. Bluetooth I use in both my personal and work car work but in a different way. I use apps a lot, and they do have some bugs here and there but they do the job. I'll stay and see what MS has planned for the future of WP, and I think it will be more interesting.

    Happy user :)
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    01-19-2017 05:57 AM
  2. Techno04335's Avatar
    This is from another post but Windows Phone is Dying, Hence the reason I switched:

    I switched to Android and I would like to share my opinion from fair software experience comparison from both Windows Mobile 10 and Android 6 Marshmallow, along with its pros and cons of each operating system in my opinion.

    **Before get started, I would like to layout a solid foundation to keep everyone in their sane mental state. I am not defending Windows Phone, Android, nor iOS in any matter. I am simply laying out my experience and opinions between both mobile phone operating systems.

    I would also like to note that I have and during the period have only been using Windows Phones ever since 2011. Yup – 6 Years (boy does time fly). From Windows Phone 7.0 to Windows Mobile 10 (Developers Preview), you name it.

    I have had various low, mid, and high end Windows Phones across my 6-year journey Including: Samsung Omnia W, Nokia Lumia 1520, Nokia Lumia 520, Nokia Lumia 525, Nokia Lumia 635, & finally Microsoft Lumia 640. This will be about software experience, for now we will keep hardware performances out of the software discussion as I would like to focus solely on the software experience.

    I was there for Microsoft then and I still am supportive for Microsoft today.

    Let’s get started….

    Why did I switch?
    1.Great Deal on unlocked phone & I needed a change.
    I found a great deal on a Sony Xperia X Unlocked Phone. I also I think I have been using Windows Phone for a long time so I think mentally it was time for a change.
    2.Windows Mobile 10 is ughhh & App Unreliability
    Yes, yes, I know what your thinking, “it works well on my phone”, “seems faster”, “I have never had any issues”. If you are saying these in my opinion you are unfairly being blinded by your personal Windows Phone Attachment. I personally think Windows Mobile 10 had great potential but is a failure software wise. There is no good built in integration, and the app reliability and performance is mediocre. How many times must we see this “resuming” screen. I believe Windows 7 Mango was the best, everything was perfect, integration, speed, multi-tasking. I forever support windows phone but Windows Mobile 10 has had various flaws. I still think even the official release should be a beta and not official.
    3.App Gap.
    Yes, yes, “Windows Phone has a third-party version app…”, “Snapchat is for losers…”, “We don’t need all these apps”. Well that is not the point… The point is that every individual with a mobile phone utilizes various apps for various reasons. In my case useful apps such as American Airlines, Lyft, Amazon, Gmail, YouTube are very useful. These apps are either not reliable on windows phone due to lack of support or updates, or do not exist.

    Android 6 OS Experience?
    Overall I can say that I am having great experience with Android OS.
    Pros?
    -Amazing multi-tasking fluidity, smooth OS, various apps with amazing app support. You can be sure to always get the latest updates asap for a long time. Because apps are being more supported you can expect similar apps that have innovative features that are not available on the Windows Mobile 10 platform at all. Look at Messenger(Android) vs Messenger (Windows Mobile 10). Honestly, it’s a joke…. I was even shocked to realize what I have been missing. Amazon even….
    -Better software to battery management features.
    -Did I mention that Microsoft Services and Apps, are better on Android? ******************

    Cons?
    -Too many apps to download even. I surprisingly had a little overwhelm with the vast number of android apps available to download.
    -Rare App Crashes (very minor).
    Windows Mobile 10 Software Experience?
    Pros?
    -Amazing Live Tiles, and Start Menu Design.
    -Great Lock screen interface and icon designs.
    Cons?
    -Overall stability and un reliability tarnishes the live tile and start menu design.
    -Rare App Crashes (very minor).
    -Low App Support
    - “Resuming” Screen
    -Not many OEM Phone Options…

    What Surprised me the most…………….
    All Microsoft Services & apps are 100000x better on Android than Windows Mobile 10, in terms of features, performance, looks, and UI. This is seriously unacceptable on Microsoft’s part. Let me list a few….
    Outlook, Cortana, Bing, Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, LinkedIn, Skype, Skype for Business, Groove Music (use as my music player from expandable microSD)! Honestly if you are a Microsoft fan, I do not see any reason why you do not switch to Android. Microsoft applications are light years ahead on Android (I’m sure the same goes for iOS).
    OH, remember HERE MAPS? That is also available on Android with Offline Maps available. I used this app many times throughout my windows phone journey.
    What do I as a Dedicated Windows Phone Fan think about the future or Windows Phone?
    Windows Phone as a long way to go in the consumer aspect. Although I love their UI, Microsoft needs to be able to improve their app responsiveness, and their own apps on their platform to make it marketable. There are many signs that Microsoft in my opinion has given up on the consumer market.
    Hint**
    -low to almost nonexistent app support
    -Not much support for other OEM vendors anymore.
    -Nokia HMD is supportive of ANDROID now.

    Expectation of Surface Phone?

    Dead for the consumer market. Possible Success in the enterprise business market.
    Will I wait on surface phone…? Maybe. I am excited to see what Microsoft should offer with the Surface Phone. Although the surface phone has promising chip set and hardware potential, that does not necessarily mean developers will go producing Windows Universal Apps for Windows 10 Mobile. In fact I predict that the Surface Phone will only be useful in business/enterprise level like the HP Elite 3 with the dock station support.
    01-19-2017 08:34 AM
  3. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Microsoft is doing the best it can right now, in light of what has become a bad position for Mobile.

    However there attack on the issue is the right one......get out of doing the grunt work of Phones, fix broken relationships with former Hardware makers, and let them battle it out to see who can start to push out devices.

    Work magic with the software, as they are showing this is in the works already.
    Windows for RT and Continuum have been dress rehearsals for the Magic that is going to pop down the road.

    Look around at PC/Tablet Makers who have adopted Surface like Features into their Product line. Surface for how good it is, is still a limited run Working Concept/Benchmark for other builders to then pick up on and change into to put out Hardware.

    The soon to be "Surface Phone" ( which is going to be a Device that has Phone Features), is going to cut into new ground.

    The One Windows Concept is only partly formed right now.....however It is going to stress a One Device to do it all theme.

    Windows 10 on Arm with x86 Emulation is going to first gain attention with Business People, as CFO's are going to see 1 device that can cover 3 bits of Hardware....A Device that can be a Phone/Tablet/PC for the Mobile Rep at a price that will cost less then a Phone + Tablet + PC.

    Now add the news the Windows 10 Shell is going to be adaptive to how your using your device, this will catch the Business Person and the Die Hard Windows Fan.

    Add in Samsung won a Patent for a device that will dual boot Win10 and Android, tells me Samsung has advance knowledge of what is to come, and now seeing Microsoft set aside the push to build outside of the Surface Line takes pressure off the Hardware makers.

    Windows 10 for mobile may pass into the night like Windows RT, but One Windows is in truth not here yet.

    I think the future is safe, but truly I don't think the fire works have started yet, as Microsoft is just getting close now to light the fuse that is going to change the Landscape a little!!!!!
    01-19-2017 09:35 AM
  4. G4Grandad's Avatar
    "And they all lived happily ever after" it's how my parents used to finish a bedtime story like that
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    01-19-2017 09:47 AM
  5. Rosebank's Avatar
    When i first joined this platform (although been working closely with all the windows versions on the desktop side) I was prepared to take a gamble, and I knew full well the app gap was a major issue, I went ahead and purchased my 950. What I have come to realise since that purchase is that apps are essential in getting the most from your SMARTphone, it can be simple things like bus times app to Grocery app or even a game or Tethering app like PDAnet that simply does not exist for windows phone. This limitation can have a crippling effect on an individuals user experience, and again the app issue is slowly grinding me down, the full potential of these windows devices is not getting utilised by the App problem. Its a real pitty. I still do admire my 950 but loosing faith on a daily basis, when x86 comes to us on a pocket device (which I know a little bit about) I still doubt MS phones will be the solution to "Everything" , more a one sided solution to cater for some, the lack of App support bolstering up this platform is the major hole in the hull and until that is plugged the ship will continue to sink. I have lasted 3 months without my essential apps but its been a long difficult 3 months, Developers of Apps are pulling apps on a daily basis, I would guess that 99% of people use apps, even the people that say they don't are probably using apps on a daily basis, apps are what makes a standard phone unique and more functional providing more daily life enhancing options, going without apps is a choice and in this day and age MOST people need these apps.
    01-19-2017 10:13 AM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    Most people, though they have many apps, only use 5 or so on a regular basis. If those are essential to your day and productivity then that is extremely important and necessary. People need to assess their own situations.
    I get by just fine with what the Windows ecosystem currently has, so I will stick with it and see where it goes. For others it may be a different story. Choice is a good thing.

    Sent from mTalk
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    01-19-2017 10:23 AM
  7. libra89's Avatar
    Most people, though they have many apps, only use 5 or so on a regular basis. If those are essential to your day and productivity then that is extremely important and necessary. People need to assess their own situations.
    I get by just fine with what the Windows ecosystem currently has, so I will stick with it and see where it goes. For others it may be a different story. Choice is a good thing.

    Sent from mTalk
    Well said, I agree.

    As a chronic switcher, I noticed this myself with apps. On this platform, I only lack 2. They aren't life or death but they are important for me to have in a phone, as they are enjoyable. One of them can be replaced with a different kind of app which is just fine. The other requires a workaround (battery draining, but still). For that reason, I'm not opposed to using WP/WM. Now if the workaround didn't work at all somehow, I just wouldn't use it.

    I really try to use apps that work across all three platforms decently and I can and have, at that.
    01-19-2017 11:27 AM
  8. Rosebank's Avatar
    I'm not opposed to using WP/WM. Now if the workaround didn't work at all somehow, I just wouldn't use it.
    You would not use what? The OS W10M or the App which you cant use anyway if it didn't work.
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    01-19-2017 11:50 AM
  9. libra89's Avatar
    You would not use what? The OS W10M or the App which you cant use anyway if it didn't work.
    The OS. Ah, I should clarified that originally. Hopefully the workaround will continue to work. For this particular app, there's either a workaround in whatever OS or it's dead to me.
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    01-19-2017 11:52 AM
  10. Joe920's Avatar
    To add just a dash of positivity to the thread: I just downloaded Grover Pro, a new UWP podcast app that runs on desktop and mobile. Seems to be working perfectly. All's I'm saying is: Win10 and UWP together do in fact bring good apps to the store, and some of them accidentally even run on WP! :)
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    01-19-2017 11:53 AM
  11. Rosebank's Avatar
    The OS. Ah, I should clarified that originally. Hopefully the workaround will continue to work. For this particular app, there's either a workaround in whatever OS or it's dead to me.
    I hear you and Thanks, PdaNet was a big App for me as it allowed me to tether my data allowance (pay as you go) from the Mobile to the Laptop, this single app literally saved me Hundreds of pounds in home Broadband and I reluctantly left it behind to switch to W10m and an unlimited data connection, I miss that App so much and there are no tethering apps that can do the same Job as it did. :-(
    If I switch back to Android that App will be top of my list. :-)
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    01-19-2017 12:02 PM
  12. Polychrome's Avatar
    I imagine this is yet more panic induced by the whole Minecraft thing... which is stupid as it's obvious they're converting to UWP.

    The way I see it, Windows "phone" is in a transitional state now. We're basically "paying-to-beta" while Microsoft consolidates their operating system. While that personally doesn't bother me (I've always been the type who loves an experiment), I think the problem is that fans are easily frustrated by ANY change in something that they like. IMO, there is nothing in the tech world that is worth getting frustrated over, but people allow this to happen all the time. If it isn't windows's app gap, it's exploding samsungs, self-bricking LGs, underpowered kyoceras, iphones bricking their own modems... and a yell and a scream for each and every one. It doesn't matter the OS or the platform, you'd think the world was ending every other day.

    Lemmie take a recent example from a company that's definitely not failing: I've been a big Nintendo fan for years. The new Switch is looking like an exciting piece of hardware, the games coming out for it look fantastic. But the way fans are talking you'd think this 100+ yeared company was on the verge of a horrible death. "What? We need an app for online? What? You don't have an i9 processor with the latest Nvidia crammed into that tiny little tablet? The WiiU is terrible! Nobody ever bought it! Blah blah blah blah blah...." Forget the fact that the WiiU got more of my attention the last few years than the Xbox One. You'd think Nintendo wasn't a company that always manages to turn a profit, the way fans talk about it. Heck, this guy at work was ranting yesterday that the switch was Nintendo's "last chance". Last chance for what exactly? To print more money?

    And then I look at what Microsoft is attempting to do with "Windows ARM", I see the obvious growing pains that will come with it...but the benefits. Holy crap the benefits. Imagine running any PC software on a phone. Imagine just installing bluestacks....With decades of PC software available in your pocket ON TOP OF whatever is available for Android, the app gap would quite simply REVERSE. There would be no defense against an attack like this. None at all.

    I remember back before WP7... how we were literally years without an OS update for windows mobile. I compare it to today, where we get updates every few months. Instead of abandoning us entirely as they did back then, they're allowing us to take part in the adventure.

    Is it crazy? Might it fail? Yes to both. But if it succeeds, it will be glorious.
    01-19-2017 12:30 PM
  13. final_fantasy781's Avatar
    Great app, I use it daily. There are other apps, too, like Candy Crush or Yummly. At least I think Yummly is a UWA, but Grover Pro is great.

    However, I don't know if its an issue with the latest build, but any app in the Store that gets updated doesn't get installed. And one app is Grover Pro. I uninstalled the app because of the last build (15007) and now I can't install anything.
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    01-19-2017 12:47 PM
  14. Team Corsair's Avatar
    I am whole heartedly saddened by the prospect. I bought a Elite x3 a few days ago and haven't had a single issue. I started off way back in 2011 with a Samsung Focus, to a Nokia 900 in the glorious Mango days. Then progressed to a slightly flawed 1520. 3 faulty pieces of hardware for that sucker, the worst is when the screen detached. Thankfully I was under warranty every time ha.

    I switched to a Note 4 just before going on active duty, and hated every moment of it. I used Android back when it was 2.2 and 2.4 before my Focus, and hoped they had changed. Apps were excessive, to get anything done productively you had to install over 100+ apps. Preinstalled were excessive as well, and you had tl micromanage EVERYTHING. What I love about Windows, and still do is that it's like a butler. It does everything for you without you noticing. I spent 2 years on my Note 4, signed into my microsoft and google accounts on my Elite and honest to god, it was like I had my windows phone just yesterday before I belly flopped into Android. I was astonished that everything was already set. Minor changes and getting MetroPCS going was a little tricky with APN settings, but I got there.

    What bothers me was today announcement of Microsoft dropping support for Minecraft mobile. Like...really?

    I use my x3 for light business and love it. I'm in the "honeymoon" stages of this phone, but the interface is beautiful. I have large hands and miss the feel like my 1520. The Notes have always been too small and this is a beautiful fit. Hardware quality is remarkable. Noting that it is plastic, but it feels like it could really take a beating. Doesn't feel cheap. Difficult to explain.

    The Snapdragon 820 really shines, along with the 4gb of RAM, I was using continuum with 12 running applications change swiftly and printing all at the same time. Absolutely remarkable! And the desk dock was getting warm, not the phone! I think Hp really nailed the proper hardware for some good multitasking on WM10, but it does need that support. If people didn't keep jumping off this band wagon, we'd have lots of support.

    My wife even switched to my old 1520 because she was fed up with iOS and loving it. Doesn't like the lack of Snapchat, but oh well.

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    01-19-2017 01:20 PM
  15. PerfectReign's Avatar
    While I have NFC on my 950xl, IPhone 6s, and Galaxy S6, I've not ever used it.

    That said, it is tough. Even the Starbucks app on WM10 is marginal.

    The past few days, I've tried to use my Iphone (work supplied) as a primary device. Total fail. While the app selection is huge compared to WM, and the apps load faster - there is a serious issue with the UI. It just doesn't make sense. Things which should be easy are very challenging. (Try deleting an email or attaching a document to an email, for examples.)

    Oddly, two of my Microsoft account managers have switched to Iphone recently. They each love the device.

    I'll be taking the SIM out of the Iphone and putting it into my Galaxy S6 this weekend to see what I feel using that.

    Sent from mTalk
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    01-19-2017 02:44 PM
  16. Kerry2112's Avatar
    I don't get how people can say Outlook is better on Android than W10M. I have a 950XL and a Nexus 6P. Outlook sucks on the 6P compared to 950XL because:

    1) No live tile. Have to use a widget (taking up home screen space) and it doesn't always update promptly.

    2) When I click on an email in the notification shade, half the time I get an error "The message failed to load". I have to click the widget to open Outlook mail and view the message that way.

    3) You can only edit Outlook calendar entries if you created them on the phone.

    4) You cannot snooze calendar reminders. And they don't always appear on time anyway.

    But Live Tiles are Windows' mobile masterstroke and the thing I like the most W10M vs. Android (even if, on Fast Ring builds, they didn't always work properly).
    01-19-2017 03:09 PM
  17. MichalR's Avatar
    Ok, maybe there is some future for mobile Windows, but currently, especially on the older Lumias, it's mostly unusable. When I switched to Android Marshmallow, I was really surprised of how it works. It's smooth, not messy, works without lags and crashes. I have all my fitness trackers on the board, I don't need to beg for this, don't have to ask developers whether they are going to release the app and support it, everything is in place. I don't bother that camera crashes on HDR mode or Endomondo crashes while listening FLAC files in the same time, even on a budget phone. I don't need to wait ages for my Gmail to get emails and don't need to wait for devs to fix bugs in unofficial Flickr client, because I have the native client there. And the keyboard and dictionary - I used SwiftKey for a while, but tried recently released GBoard - it's a magic. Windows keyboard in comparison is a crap. Beer for those who tell me why MS didn't include the same dictionary as we had in Windows Phone 8.1.

    Speaking about the future I see some potential in Windows ARM, but it will work well only in Continuum mode when we speak about x32 apps. Nobody will develop new apps with mobile interface, can't see any chance for that.
    01-19-2017 03:35 PM
  18. Team Corsair's Avatar
    I never found a single keyboard for 6.0 that deserved the courtesy of calling it a keyboard. They were all bogus. Not to mention TouchWiz was god-awful. Any and all other launchers stacked on top constantly crashed apps. Arrow Launcher was the only decent one, even then it bogged itself down because there is no built in way to shut down apps. You, yet again, have to download another app to manage all the other apps you have to have to make android reasonable to handle.

    Sent from mTalk
    01-19-2017 03:45 PM
  19. beman39's Avatar
    it MUST be dying if MS's most popular game minecraft mobile is no longer getting updates on WM!!! that's REALLY SAD! lol
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    01-19-2017 04:04 PM
  20. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    "And they all lived happily ever after" it's how my parents used to finish a bedtime story like that
    You may think as you wish, but the ground work is already there if you know what to look at.

    2 things to think about that have come out of the Surface line, have Mobile application written all over them.......

    Surface Book and it's ability to go from Tablet to Laptop. When apart It's a good tablet, but click together and it gets a boost in Horsepower.
    This not only works with GPU, but can indeed work for CPU.

    Surface Studio and all the moaning about "Why can't I just buy the screen, and use my own CPU?"..............a question ahead of the software development!!!!!

    You are going to have a range of options based off of what you need and when.

    It's all there in one form or another, you just have to take the bits and lay them out to see what is coming. However the focus has to be Business for now, as that is where the money is for things to advance.

    Am I happy that Mobile Windows as it is now may soon pass into memory like Windows RT......No not at all.....but I do see it as a step that has to happen for the future to form into something better.
    So if your need is Snapchat and other forms of social kids stuff....iPhone and Android await you. Yes it's sad but this is what has to happen.

    Just as a side note...apart from my first Nokia back in the day ( A Ten Ton Brick), all my phones have been Windows Based Starting with my Casio E125 and Casio BE 300, many many many Moons before Mr. Jobs "invented" the cell phone and sliced bread. So I don't see the death of Mobile and Windows......I see Microsoft putting Mobile into a cocoon for it to change into something new.
    01-19-2017 04:12 PM
  21. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    I get the feeling that a lot of the sentiment that the platform is dying is because people are looking for negativity and live in a bubble. Obviously, if you gravitate towards that type of information your fears will be confirmed and you too will switch, thus furthering the spiral downwards that otherwise might not have existed.
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    01-19-2017 04:16 PM
  22. MichalR's Avatar
    I never found a single keyboard for 6.0 that deserved the courtesy of calling it a keyboard. They were all bogus. Not to mention TouchWiz was god-awful. Any and all other launchers stacked on top constantly crashed apps. Arrow Launcher was the only decent one, even then it bogged itself down because there is no built in way to shut down apps. You, yet again, have to download another app to manage all the other apps you have to have to make android reasonable to handle.

    Sent from mTalk
    SwiftKey is decent but Gboard is just perfect. I'm using two languages simultaneously and I don't even have to change language manually like in Windows, the keyboard changes it fluently and automatically.

    Speaking about launchers, I'm using Arrow, it's pretty fine. Double tap on the right Android button opens multitasking window and there you can close all apps with a single tap.
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    01-19-2017 04:40 PM
  23. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Just one last thing to think about.........

    None of the major players in SMS style message apps have left ( WeChat, WhatsApp,ect), if they were to close up and dump Windows Support that is when you can start to SMASH the Panic button !!!!!!!!!!!

    If Skype ever shows up in a WC Title saying " Skype to End Support for Windows".......watch for huge rocks to fall from the sky, as we will be heading back to the stone age !!!!!!
    01-19-2017 04:45 PM
  24. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Build 15014 is out.

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 15007.1000] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    01-19-2017 05:21 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    Build 15014 is out.

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 15007.1000] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    They put out an awful lot of updates for such a dying platform! 🤣

    Sent from mTalk
    01-19-2017 05:26 PM
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