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  1. John Wolf1's Avatar
    Ok, maybe there is some future for mobile Windows, but currently, especially on the older Lumias, it's mostly unusable. When I switched to Android Marshmallow, I was really surprised of how it works. It's smooth, not messy, works without lags and crashes. I have all my fitness trackers on the board, I don't need to beg for this, don't have to ask developers whether they are going to release the app and support it, everything is in place. I don't bother that camera crashes on HDR mode or Endomondo crashes while listening FLAC files in the same time, even on a budget phone. I don't need to wait ages for my Gmail to get emails and don't need to wait for devs to fix bugs in unofficial Flickr client, because I have the native client there. And the keyboard and dictionary - I used SwiftKey for a while, but tried recently released GBoard - it's a magic. Windows keyboard in comparison is a crap. Beer for those who tell me why MS didn't include the same dictionary as we had in Windows Phone 8.1.

    Speaking about the future I see some potential in Windows ARM, but it will work well only in Continuum mode when we speak about x32 apps. Nobody will develop new apps with mobile interface, can't see any chance for that.
    I can't see anyone wanting to use x86 programs on a 5 inch screen. It's hard to use it on my Surface Pro with touch and that's a 12 inch screen. Continum has done nothing to inspire people to use a Windows phone and I don't see it doing so in the future.
    01-19-2017 05:38 PM
  2. EspHack's Avatar
    It's not just tech news and online reading that gives me cause for concern, although that is a big factor in my original forum posting, its the app issue and first hand experience of the device failing to do basic tasks, sometimes I cant even get past the lock screen and I am having issues, I have had 3 or 4 reboots just trying to unlock the device or accessing the camera from the phone being locked (a feature of the phone). That aside I know there are things planned for the future but as so many people are leaving I struggle to understand the strategy of this side of the company. I don't like to be negative but more realistic. If Microsoft are aiming for business customers then they need to get it right for the public everyday user first, set an example of efficiency, they are not doing that imho.
    it seems even my spoofed 928 runs better than your 950

    such a drastic departure from the early days when all they said about wp was:

    -just works!
    -smooth AF!!
    -apps? it has every feature built in!
    -buttery smooth!
    -smoother than smooth!
    -2 years of use and it still works and performs exactly as day 1!
    01-19-2017 05:40 PM
  3. MichalR's Avatar
    I can't see anyone wanting to use x86 programs on a 5 inch screen. It's hard to use it on my Surface Pro with touch and that's a 12 inch screen. Continum has done nothing to inspire people to use a Windows phone and I don't see it doing so in the future.
    That's why I said those apps need mobile interface. With standard Windows interface it does not make any sense. Continuum has done nothing due to lack of devices, but it's a good idea for which I see some hope if MS will start working on it seriously.
    01-19-2017 05:44 PM
  4. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    They put out an awful lot of updates for such a dying platform!

    Sent from mTalk
    Give it 12 hours and the advanced obituaries will be back. An update is like a pacifier to a baby - after awhile it quits workin'

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 15007.1000] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    01-19-2017 05:45 PM
  5. mc_razza's Avatar
    I hate to put this out there but I really do feel this platform is dying and fast too, every day I am hearing about apps no longer supported, phone faults, and update issues, I really wanted to back this platform but I feel (after only 3 months) that things are going from bad to worse, I am even reading that loyal windows phone fans are leaving in large numbers and this is very concerning, I am beginning to regret my purchase (L950).
    The platform seems static and no further phones from MS, suspected surface phone in the future but still nothing concreate, anyone else feeling this way? Its like watching a ship sink and being a part of it is not a good feeling. When I first joined W10M I was happy and optimistic but I don't feel that way now. What's more my L950 that cost £250 is now practically worthless as it wont sell as nobody demands the platform and if it did sell it would be for pennies.
    Wait for MWC this Feb. 27 to Mar. 2. Microsoft will make a comeback in mobile this year. Keep the faith.
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    01-19-2017 06:52 PM
  6. Minh Junior Dinh's Avatar
    I got my L950xl and its got a lot of sentimental value (it was practically free and I got it from the Microsoft Store for $400AU)
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    01-19-2017 07:45 PM
  7. Loc Ngo's Avatar
    I am happy with my Lumia 950XL and personally I find that Windows 10 Mobile is the best mobile OS. But I'm considering buying an Oppo J5 because as much as I love my Lumia 950XL, I can't stand MS's algorithm for the front camera. The preview on the phone look fine but the actual pictures are far worse. They are pixelated and the colour profile is completely messed up every time, changing to some sort of a blueish tone.
    Last edited by Loc Ngo; 01-19-2017 at 09:27 PM.
    01-19-2017 08:20 PM
  8. Techno04335's Avatar
    I get the feeling that a lot of the sentiment that the platform is dying is because people are looking for negativity and live in a bubble. Obviously, if you gravitate towards that type of information your fears will be confirmed and you too will switch, thus furthering the spiral downwards that otherwise might not have existed.
    Though I agree with your statement, but most people switch from windows phone because the negativity is the lack of conveniency or apps. Which applies in different forms depending on the user. If you are a hardcore Lyft, Youtube, Snapchat, common popular mobile game, or Here maps user it is not available on windows phone. If you use messenger, Instagram, and etc, you are probably rarely getting updates on wm10.

    Most people only state the negativity because that is the only negativity on WM10. well aside from a unstable first release.
    01-19-2017 09:09 PM
  9. Joe920's Avatar
    None of the major players in SMS style message apps have left ( WeChat, WhatsApp,ect), if they were to close up and dump Windows Support that is when you can start to SMASH the Panic button !!!!!!!!!!!
    True, but my worry is that with MS is sending such clear signals that WP is over, the few UWP developers that we do have might even decide it's not worth the effort to enable phone use, hastening WP's demise. Case in point: Nextgen reader UWP only works on PC. And with dropping sales and MS' clear disinterest, who can blame them. Then by the time their 'category defining device' could eventually become popular it's already late 2018. Very curious about the state of the market by then! #hopelessinseattle #slowandsteadylosestherace
    01-19-2017 09:51 PM
  10. Rosebank's Avatar
    The dropping sales and the reports of people leaving cant be ignored, its a fact. Also the prices of the devices via MS store seem to get reduced rather quickly too to get rid of stock levels, who are MS actually keeping this platform alive for? I struggle to understand their strategy its all wrong, keep developing an OS with no new devices? I do think by the time MS invent a new device there will be little to no fan base, that arguably could be a strategy in itself, but I have never heard of a company deliberately trying to loose customers, that is not what a business is allowed to do on many levels, Business is about keeping the numbers of customers happy and not the opposite.
    I admire there is some passion being shown on this forum posting about the positive aspects of the OS and I welcome that.
    I would love for this platform to succeed but I feel its not doing that currently, still its interesting to be a part of, you just never know whats going to happen next?
    The future surfacephone can be the best bit of mobile hardware on the planet, but without Apps it will most likely fail, people need apps (the vast majority) and this is the reason MS are barely treading water in this sector. People don't want to have to stop, load up an exe program under emulation on their device to do something simple an app can do in a fraction of the time, Mobile computing I am all for it but how practical will it be? No Apps and your doomed.
    Lastly why did MS outsource the support for Lumias and W10M ?Who will support the "New" device?
    If only MS could tap into the other markets apps somehow?
    Last edited by Rosebank; 01-20-2017 at 04:29 AM.
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    01-20-2017 04:05 AM
  11. Kot Prada's Avatar
    Maybe. But my hate to Android and Apple is strong. So, I will better stick with MS, than with those 2 ****s.
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    01-20-2017 05:28 AM
  12. helsten2's Avatar
    From Digi.no - IT-bransjens nettavis

    Should phase out thousands of Windows phones in Norwegian municipalities

    Over 100 Norwegian municipalities are dependent on Windows-based smartphones in health and care services.

    Only in Oslo they have purchased 3.000 units, so health workers on home visits can get mobile access to Gerica - a solution for electronic medical records from Tieto.

    The Nordic IT giant now admits that there are some challenges that mobile app only supports Windows Phone 8 and later.

    - Now it starts to get hard to get hold of Windows Phones. Microsoft hath sold mobile their division, and there is little downtime with access devices in the market, confirms sales manager Snorre Johansen Tieto Norway faced digi.no.

    A platform in freefall
    Windows Phone or Windows 10 Mobile plunged to a global market share of 0.4 percent last year. The fall will only continue if we are to believe forecasts from IDC.

    - We have an ongoing dialogue with Microsoft. They are trying to reassure the market that 3-4 producers have plans to create Windows-based smartphones continues Johansen.

    He does not seem particularly convinced.

    Microsoft says that they continue to develop Windows 10 for mobile, but has no comments on the company no longer has phones for sale.

    Renewed for thousands NOK apiece
    HP flash last year with a new top model called Elite X3.

    The model did not do overly well on the test bench at our sister website Tek.no but a retail price of around NOK 8.000 makes it anyway irrelevant for the customer group we're talking about in this article.

    - Our customers use the phone as a tool in home care. It is then in your pocket with everything they need equipment for wound care and so on. It provides, among other wear and devices do not last as long. Our customers usually buys Windows Phones to around NOK 1.500-2.000, says Sales Manager at Tieto.

    In Oslo they currently have 2.450 Windows Phones. They are renewed for a thousand NOK apiece as they break, get digi.no stated.

    Phases out Windows phones
    If the supply of affordable Windows Phones will not move up, the Tieto have to focus on other platforms.

    - There are under constant evaluation. We will wait a bit to see if it actually gets more Windows phones or not, says Johansen.

    In councils department for the elderly, health and social services in Oslo is one even more specific. There is already a dialogue between the city and Tieto to have created an Android version.

    - We are now in dialogue with Tieto to develop a new generation Gerica mobile solution customized Android platform, says the agency's Head Stein Schatvet in an email to digi.no.

    - Does this mean that Oslo will phase out Windows phones?

    - Yes, but it will happen only when Tieto has its Android version ready. This will be a gradual transition based on product development, and it will be emphasizing that all respect to user safety are safeguarded, says Schatvet.

    So no reason to object
    When Tieto renewed its Gerica mobile solution for approximately three years ago, they chose to develop the solution for use only on Windows Phone platform.

    - Because the solution used for processing of health information and we chose to secure health data through to block the phones of all other data usage, so we do not need to protest this.

    Oslo has agreed to purchase a fleet management system (Mobile device management tools, MDM) that will be used on Gerica phones.

    - This tool will make it possible to open for the use of the Internet, downloading apps and so on without that information security is threatened, says Head Stein Schatvet in Oslo.

    ----

    Translated with Google Translate. Original article:
    Skal fase ut mange tusen Windows-telefoner i norske kommuner - Digi.no
    Last edited by helsten2; 01-20-2017 at 07:34 AM.
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    01-20-2017 06:51 AM
  13. Rosebank's Avatar
    Market share 0.4% even lower than the 1% I had in mind when I wrote this forum post.
    01-20-2017 08:10 AM
  14. anon(3463402)'s Avatar
    W10M is not dying, it's developing. Market share is irrelevant. Who gives a **** for stats? I use what I like.
    01-20-2017 08:14 AM
  15. ErazerHead's Avatar
    I'm going to play devil's advocate here: yes, the Windows Store has a lot less apps than Android or iOS, but is this the end of the world?

    Let's face it - most apps on iOS/Android/WP are **** anyways: free to play games trying to nickel and dime customers make the bulk of App Stores, most of the rest being freemium apps with loads of ads, and most of them do the same thing anyways. For every Evernote or Word you have tens of camera apps to add tints or stickers, messaging apps with a slightly different twist and no interoperability.
    With the exception of Google's apps (no maps in particular remains a sore spot), I'd say the app gap is not nearly as big an issue as it's made out to be.

    Let's also look at the bright side, areas where Windows Phone is genuinely ahead of the curve:
    • The UI is well thought out and has some genuinely useful features (live tiles a particular standout)
    • It offers a consistent experience while giving a choice across devices and manufacturers
    • There are no genuinely horrible devices like many cheap Android phones are, mostly because OEMs can't eff the OS up
    • It has the best support for expandable storage and most devices support it in hardware, which means no price gouging for memory
    • It is as safe as iOS, if not more
    • It is one operating system and one store across form factors. The same app can work across mobile, desktop and tablet form factors - without needing to buy again. This is where eventually Google and Apple will want to go too.
    01-20-2017 08:44 AM
  16. Kerry2112's Avatar
    Honestly, from an apps perspective, if Edge were even halfway decent, I could live with using mobile websites to get around the app gap (for banking apps, etc.) But Edge, as currently constituted, just doesn't cut it for me. I can't use my bank's mobile site on Edge and there's no Windows phone app for it. So I have to use the DESKTOP site on my 950XL, which is a real pain.

    If the Surface phone ever, um, surfaces and it has a browser that REALLY rocks and W10M continues to develop apace, that would be enough to keep me on the platform despite the app gap.
    01-20-2017 09:25 AM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    Honestly, from an apps perspective, if Edge were even halfway decent, I could live with using mobile websites to get around the app gap (for banking apps, etc.) But Edge, as currently constituted, just doesn't cut it for me. I can't use my bank's mobile site on Edge and there's no Windows phone app for it. So I have to use the DESKTOP site on my 950XL, which is a real pain.

    If the Surface phone ever, um, surfaces and it has a browser that REALLY rocks and W10M continues to develop apace, that would be enough to keep me on the platform despite the app gap.
    I agree about Edge. It needs to not only be better, but also perform better too.
    01-20-2017 09:32 AM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    W10M is not dying, it's developing. Market share is irrelevant. Who gives a **** for stats? I use what I like.
    I think this is the best and most relevant post this far.
    It may not be what some want it to be, but it's not dying.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
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    01-20-2017 09:37 AM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    Honestly, from an apps perspective, if Edge were even halfway decent, I could live with using mobile websites to get around the app gap (for banking apps, etc.) But Edge, as currently constituted, just doesn't cut it for me. I can't use my bank's mobile site on Edge and there's no Windows phone app for it. So I have to use the DESKTOP site on my 950XL, which is a real pain.

    If the Surface phone ever, um, surfaces and it has a browser that REALLY rocks and W10M continues to develop apace, that would be enough to keep me on the platform despite the app gap.
    Edge is certainty a work in progress and areas where it can improve. My bank works extremely well on Edge where others, like yours, do not. The good thing is updates are coming rapidly. We will get there.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    01-20-2017 09:40 AM
  20. Rosebank's Avatar
    Let's face it - most apps on iOS/Android/WP are **** anyways
    That's simply not true.
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    01-20-2017 10:01 AM
  21. Mehrdad Aria's Avatar
    I have lumia 830 and i love this platform but 100% my next phone will be a Nokia with Android, in fact i hate Android but this is the best choice (ios is very expensive). Unfortunately i should say windows mobile is ***, because of:
    1. no offline maps and inaccurate maps
    2. ridiculous limitations for Devs
    3. low quality apps (specially social app: facebook, telegram)
    4. windows mobile is very unstable
    5. even dont have oldest features like flip to silence or LED notification
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    01-20-2017 10:50 AM
  22. digitaldd's Avatar
    I went Android for a awhile because i got what i considered a decent cheap phone (Honor 5x) unfortunately the company that mnaufactures it (Huawei) had no intention of supporting it beyond releasing a marshmallow upgrade. That seems to be the problem with all non-flagship Android devices (if you pay the $500+ for the flagship you get support for up to 2 years occasionally longer). That's where Apple shines it is common for them to support one of the current generation iPhones for 3years, i guess that is what Apple customers pay the extra money for.

    Currently I'm using an Idol 4S, for what its worth best windows phone device I have used so far though i wish the camera had OIS and focused a bit faster, didn't occasionally have issues recognizing that wired headphones were connected, and didn't lose access to the SD card until an app was relaunched.

    Anyone have a recommendation for a cheap Continuum dock? I though the Microsoft HD-500 Display Dock which came out with the 950 & 950XL would have dropped in price or something instead no one has it anymore even Microsoft won't sell you one of the ones they have in their stores. I just need USB ports/HDMI and DP out/power to charge the USB-C based phone. Now MS is pushing the USB-C laptop/surface docks which are pricey Any suggestions under $50?
    01-20-2017 11:20 AM
  23. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    I was excited about x86 on ARM, but it will still have a problem. All of the good mobile apps don't have x86 support anyway. Waze (that will be canned on WP watch), any good mobile games, banking apps (to scan checks).

    It's clear that the Facebook Beta app is a PORT of an iOS version because it is huge in size, which is a clear indicator of some code porting, that usually leads to hugely inefficient and large files. The performance is horrible.

    The only hope would be some type of Android emulator that doesn't take too much of a performance hit in WP
    01-20-2017 12:29 PM
  24. Rosebank's Avatar
    I wonder if there is a x86 program that can run Android apps? I mean not a virtual machine but a x86 program lol
    01-20-2017 12:58 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I wonder if there is a x86 program that can run Android apps? I mean not a virtual machine but a x86 program lol
    AmiDuos and Bluestacks are the only game in town. They each install via executables so that makes them a prog in my book.
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    01-20-2017 01:11 PM
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