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  1. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    I've been a hard fast Windows and Microsoft supporter for years.
    I am a Microsoft technologies developer and have been working in this universe for over 10 years.
    Heck I even built my own Windows mobile app and I absolutely love it.

    With that said, I'm just about at the give up point on the platform.
    My favorite apps keep getting pulled from the store and/or they announce that they are no longer supporting the existing app.
    I've stopped getting builds on my 950xl and it seems like the phone is getting continually worse in its stability. I have to reset it daily or I get freezes, battery drains, app crashes, etc......

    Just yesterday the Facebook app stopped working right and failed to post. Even after 2 reboots it still would not make a post.
    OneDrive sync with my photo's is beyond frustrating. There is no rhyme or reason to when and what it decides to sync.
    Notification system is buggy and random. I can go hours without a single notification and then for a seemingly random reason the phone will spit out tons of notifications from all different apps all at the same time.
    Live tiles, even my own apps, are getting worse about updating properly. I cannot seem to figure out why they stop updating sometimes.
    Groove has stopped working properly for me. If I try any kind of artist or album search the app freezes then crashes. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Its just a growing list of frustrations, lack of communication from Microsoft, and a seemingly worsening lack of support from all directions.
    01-23-2017 09:58 AM
  2. Niel A's Avatar
    No it wont, I suggest you read the entire thread, i explained i have factory reset etc and that the fault cant be replicated. To say my words are furthest from the truth is quite something, there are lots of well documented issues with every build release, The only mention of Fast release was from Niel and i have never ever been a part of them, perhaps you could help him better understand the differences between them all as it seems he has some confusion over them.
    NAH.. no need. I just didn't*understand the PRODUCTION BUILD maybe*because I*always join up insiders. Besides, I experienced problems with the fast ring build and I experienced ur problems that is why I reverted back thru the recovery tool and chose INSIDER RELEASE rather than fast ring.. Have you tried the INSIDER PREVIEW? Maybe that will fix ur L950 if it is not the hardware that is causing the problem.
    TgeekB likes this.
    01-23-2017 10:03 AM
  3. Niel A's Avatar
    It always depend on what build u signed up for. I believe Microsoft always*put warnings on every build they release. But I don't know. as for me I always find solutions for most, if not all, of*the problems I encountered.*If you're*in fast ring, big chances that there will be more bugs and*stability issues. That's why I joined up insider release preview only.
    TgeekB likes this.
    01-23-2017 10:07 AM
  4. Rosebank's Avatar
    I've been a hard fast Windows and Microsoft supporter for years.
    I am a Microsoft technologies developer and have been working in this universe for over 10 years.
    Heck I even built my own Windows mobile app and I absolutely love it.

    With that said, I'm just about at the give up point on the platform.
    My favorite apps keep getting pulled from the store and/or they announce that they are no longer supporting the existing app.
    I've stopped getting builds on my 950xl and it seems like the phone is getting continually worse in its stability. I have to reset it daily or I get freezes, battery drains, app crashes, etc......

    Just yesterday the Facebook app stopped working right and failed to post. Even after 2 reboots it still would not make a post.
    OneDrive sync with my photo's is beyond frustrating. There is no rhyme or reason to when and what it decides to sync.
    Notification system is buggy and random. I can go hours without a single notification and then for a seemingly random reason the phone will spit out tons of notifications from all different apps all at the same time.
    Live tiles, even my own apps, are getting worse about updating properly. I cannot seem to figure out why they stop updating sometimes.
    Groove has stopped working properly for me. If I try any kind of artist or album search the app freezes then crashes. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Its just a growing list of frustrations, lack of communication from Microsoft, and a seemingly worsening lack of support from all directions.
    I could not agree more and its hurtful to say it, I am a Microsoft Consultant and have been with MS since before Mobile was even thought of, I am saddened by the platform that is causing a massive haemorrhage to the company and its future plans, W10M is going to drag MS mobile down with it. All future plans are in jeopardy because of this abysmal Mobile scenario.
    TennisGuy45 likes this.
    01-23-2017 11:50 AM
  5. beman39's Avatar
    No it wont, I suggest you read the entire thread, i explained i have factory reset etc and that the fault cant be replicated. To say my words are furthest from the truth is quite something, there are lots of well documented issues with every build release, The only mention of Fast release was from Niel and i have never ever been a part of them, perhaps you could help him better understand the differences between them all as it seems he has some confusion over them.
    you're not getting MY POST, I suggest you re-read... I stand by my remark.
    01-23-2017 12:10 PM
  6. Rosebank's Avatar
    you're not getting MY POST, I suggest you re-read... I stand by my remark.
    Your refusal to acknowledge this as a OS Glitch and Determined view that this was Hardware and not software, resulted in me not being too interested to argue, I know this is a software issue. How about you read the previous comments, are they all hardware related too? There is something not quite right between W10M and mobile devices, its almost there, but not quite, and in todays world, its not good enough.
    01-23-2017 12:21 PM
  7. beman39's Avatar
    I've been a hard fast Windows and Microsoft supporter for years.
    I am a Microsoft technologies developer and have been working in this universe for over 10 years.
    Heck I even built my own Windows mobile app and I absolutely love it.

    With that said, I'm just about at the give up point on the platform.
    My favorite apps keep getting pulled from the store and/or they announce that they are no longer supporting the existing app.
    I've stopped getting builds on my 950xl and it seems like the phone is getting continually worse in its stability. I have to reset it daily or I get freezes, battery drains, app crashes, etc......

    Just yesterday the Facebook app stopped working right and failed to post. Even after 2 reboots it still would not make a post.
    OneDrive sync with my photo's is beyond frustrating. There is no rhyme or reason to when and what it decides to sync.
    Notification system is buggy and random. I can go hours without a single notification and then for a seemingly random reason the phone will spit out tons of notifications from all different apps all at the same time.
    Live tiles, even my own apps, are getting worse about updating properly. I cannot seem to figure out why they stop updating sometimes.
    Groove has stopped working properly for me. If I try any kind of artist or album search the app freezes then crashes. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Its just a growing list of frustrations, lack of communication from Microsoft, and a seemingly worsening lack of support from all directions.
    let me ask you this, is all your apps installed to your SD card, or main? if the former, then that's your problem, I find apps CANNOT be installed to the SD because I find the SD card makers make crappy cards nowadays ESPECIALLY Lexar... if you have them installed to main and you're still having trouble then it might be some other underlying problem. but for me all my apps work perfectly fine as they do on my GF's 950, and the only complaint I have for an app is FB as that takes forever to load. but it does work perfectly fine... FOR ME. I don't use FB enough probably to see if it will give me any trouble. but my GF uses FB all the time and the only complaint is that it takes too long to open up.

    secondly I agree that there is a HUGE app gap and that is getting wider and wider everyday with apps being dropped everyday or not updated or what have you, MS needs to get their @$$ in gear and DO SOMETHING about this. I personally don't have a problem with this as I have everything I need.. so far, but others are having a serious problem with this and this for me is one of the biggest turn offs about WM. I'm 100% positive that if MS store had a plethora of apps then they wouldn't be in the low 1% user rate.

    thirdly I foresee when/if in the future when MS gets this UWP apps sorted out and finalized with in conjunction of continuum and the Surface phone with the Arm processor with full windows integrated to take all advantages of apps regardless of what they are (mobile/x86) and having a kick @$$ hardware in the phone AND a mature WM10, ONLY then will we see MS winning back some of the users of smart phones and their percentage will increase... but only time will tell I guess... here's hoping MS gets it right FINALLY
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    01-23-2017 12:36 PM
  8. beman39's Avatar
    Your refusal to acknowledge this as a OS Glitch and Determined view that this was Hardware and not software, resulted in me not being too interested to argue, I know this is a software issue. How about you read the previous comments, are they all hardware related too? There is something not quite right between W10M and mobile devices, its almost there, but not quite, and in todays world, its not good enough.
    if that were true buddy then ALL OF US would be seeing these problems you're having... my phone with A PLETHORA of others are working perfectly fine, some even with the beta release fast rings are working problem free *Gasp* but for my phone I seem to be having weird quirks when I install beta fast ring... as others too, not just me. my phone being on production release is absolutely glitch/trouble free and I'm perfectly content with my phone also another tid bit, my GF's 950 is also trouble free and has had not ONE problem since I restored it using the MS restore app.. but when I first bought her phone which had the beta fast ring, it had a couple of problems. now nothing
    mattiasnyc likes this.
    01-23-2017 12:40 PM
  9. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    let me ask you this, is all your apps installed to your SD card, or main?
    I learned very quickly to never install apps on a SD card (this applies to Android as well its not just WM that is terrible at it).

    My storage goes as follows:
    Apps, maps, and downloads: Always on the device
    Music, videos, photos: Always on the SD card

    This keeps the form performing at its best and also gives you the flexibility of using your SD card in any device and keeping the content you need to move around on a easily transportable medium.

    When Windows mobile went to the backups on the cloud it made this setup even better. It meant restoring from backups went smooth and quick and I could not rely on having a SD card in the slot to get the backup done.
    libra89, Joe920, Rosebank and 1 others like this.
    01-23-2017 01:42 PM
  10. eks1910's Avatar
    My first smart phone was the HTC M8 (Win7), I loved it with the exception of it not having MicroSD expansion slot. As soon as Win8 was available waited patiently for Verizon to kick up the upgrade which never happened, so I signed up for the Developer Program even though I’m not a app developer, install Win8, and really loved the new perks that came with Win8. About a year before my 2 year renewal came up with Microsoft starting talking about the FREE upgrade to Win10, that got me even more excited to be a Windows Phone user. As my contract with Verizon approached I started looking at newer Windows Phones under Verizon, settled on the Lumia 735 as that was a sure bet to get Win10 when it would come out. Waited and waited, and was getting disappointed that the release was delayed for over 6 months after getting my Lumia 735 than finally the RL came out, but Verizon wasn’t releasing, and giving all of us who were asking a bunch double talk, saying the delay is Microsoft, not them, while Microsoft claimed it is out there for all carriers to push. So once again because Verizon wasn’t releasing it I signed up for the Insider Program that put Win10 on my phone. Now as I approach towards the homestretch of another completion of a 2 year contract I’m just not seeing any new Windows Phones, Verizon went from at one point of have 4 different phones to just the Microsoft Lumia 735, which come August unless they get a new model I will be moving over to an Android phone. I’m really hoping that Verizon gets a new Windows phone to add to their list of smartphones for sale, but sadly I’m not holding my breath.
    Rosebank likes this.
    01-23-2017 01:56 PM
  11. Joe920's Avatar
    My storage goes as follows:
    Apps, maps, and downloads: Always on the device
    Music, videos, photos: Always on the SD card
    I like this, the only downside being that if you lose your phone, people have your private pictures. I limit my SD card use to media (videos, books, tons of mp3s), which leaves enough space on the phone for a good amount of pictures and videos.
    01-23-2017 02:00 PM
  12. beman39's Avatar
    I like this, the only downside being that if you lose your phone, people have your private pictures. I limit my SD card use to media (videos, books, tons of mp3s), which leaves enough space on the phone for a good amount of pictures and videos.
    well when your taking 1080p vids or 16MB photo's that can fill up fast!
    01-23-2017 02:08 PM
  13. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Can anyone use Edge browser at all? In my opinion it's not able to show any of webpages properly. When ebay app disappeared, many said that no problem, we use it with browser. But Edge shows ebay website so badly, that there is almost impossible to get anything clear.
    Edge shows Ebay fine for me. Which domain are you visiting? Are you visiting Ebay's mobile version of the website?
    01-23-2017 03:54 PM
  14. shahidkazi's Avatar
    True. Though Facebook app in particular is a terrible port. It is slow and i have regular issues with it on my phone. Again as the mood goes the app gap is getting a bit too much too handle.

    As much as i like the OS and can handle the regular upgrades, the overall availability o fapps, the dwindling support and black hole future has killed my interest these days. I tried using iOS and as a personal opinion I found it a very boring OS, living in a fenced world and Android just hasnt changed how it feels over so many years.

    But then finally I had to jump ship and move to Android and hope that some day MS may get their act sorted and not lose out on what could have been a great mobile platform.
    Rosebank likes this.
    01-24-2017 12:49 AM
  15. MichalR's Avatar
    My biggest disappoinment is that Microsoft stopped listening Insiders and the customers as a whole. Such example: on Android they have a launcher called Arrow with unique feature of vertical scrolling. Recently they released a new beta version of the launcher, silently removing the vertical scrolling and applying as they said, the industry standard like horizontal scrolling. No matter that community is about 88% for vertical. THEY MS decided that better option is horizontal and didn't ask the community before applying changes. That's how they act in the business. Their ideas first, no matter what community says.
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    01-24-2017 01:18 AM
  16. Rosebank's Avatar
    Edge shows Ebay fine for me. Which domain are you visiting? Are you visiting Ebay's mobile version of the website?
    I have to admit on a more positive note I have found edge to be very good, it displays all my banking pages and Ebay Full desktop version or mobile version. Both are equally as good.
    01-24-2017 04:26 AM
  17. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    Dev's don't hate MS. MS has the best development tools on the market bar none. Visual studio, SQL mgt studio, etc... Nice try though. It's a financial decision, why make an app for 5 million users, when I can make one for 200 million users.
    TgeekB, Rosebank, libra89 and 1 others like this.
    01-24-2017 10:05 AM
  18. bluekalo's Avatar
    well try to tweet them or use feedback maybe when a lot of people are hearing your frustrations there.. they might notice it.. i dont think posting here will do any good unless the persons responsible for updating the builds are checking this forum always
    mattiasnyc likes this.
    01-24-2017 11:12 AM
  19. Rosebank's Avatar
    well try to tweet them or use feedback maybe when a lot of people are hearing your frustrations there.. they might notice it.. i dont think posting here will do any good unless the persons responsible for updating the builds are checking this forum always
    Way too late for individuals to tweet Developers. That is not going to make any difference what so ever, MS have alienated customers and developer's alike.
    01-24-2017 11:52 AM
  20. Rosebank's Avatar
    https://mspoweruser.com/netflix-for-...d-windows-app/
    The news is a reality check for those who believe the large Windows 10 user base can help retain apps on the platform, even in UWP form.
    Shamshi-Adad likes this.
    01-24-2017 03:25 PM
  21. John Wolf1's Avatar
    My first smart phone was the HTC M8 (Win7), I loved it with the exception of it not having MicroSD expansion slot. As soon as Win8 was available waited patiently for Verizon to kick up the upgrade which never happened, so I signed up for the Developer Program even though I’m not a app developer, install Win8, and really loved the new perks that came with Win8. About a year before my 2 year renewal came up with Microsoft starting talking about the FREE upgrade to Win10, that got me even more excited to be a Windows Phone user. As my contract with Verizon approached I started looking at newer Windows Phones under Verizon, settled on the Lumia 735 as that was a sure bet to get Win10 when it would come out. Waited and waited, and was getting disappointed that the release was delayed for over 6 months after getting my Lumia 735 than finally the RL came out, but Verizon wasn’t releasing, and giving all of us who were asking a bunch double talk, saying the delay is Microsoft, not them, while Microsoft claimed it is out there for all carriers to push. So once again because Verizon wasn’t releasing it I signed up for the Insider Program that put Win10 on my phone. Now as I approach towards the homestretch of another completion of a 2 year contract I’m just not seeing any new Windows Phones, Verizon went from at one point of have 4 different phones to just the Microsoft Lumia 735, which come August unless they get a new model I will be moving over to an Android phone. I’m really hoping that Verizon gets a new Windows phone to add to their list of smartphones for sale, but sadly I’m not holding my breath.
    Don't hold your breath, Verizon will not be getting any new Windows Phones
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    01-24-2017 04:06 PM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    https://mspoweruser.com/netflix-for-...d-windows-app/
    The news is a reality check for those who believe the large Windows 10 user base can help retain apps on the platform, even in UWP form.
    How many users on Windows mobile did they have?
    MS has moved on from traditional apps because they realize no amount of effort will get them back into the game. They are focusing their efforts on something new.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    01-24-2017 06:17 PM
  23. Canjok's Avatar
    Windows phone is crude in so many ways that I'm getting angry -.- Seriously they mess simple things up. It's no wonder so many people are tired of this. My suggestion is that we simply buy Android/IOS . Maybe MS will wake up sometime and just use Android for mobile. At this point WM doesn't make sense and MS should aim at the next "revolution".
    I've made many thoughts about the future of Windows mobile and I came to the conclusion that there is a way to differ from the competition. The problem is, the technology required isn't ready yet.
    Rosebank likes this.
    01-24-2017 06:47 PM
  24. etphoto's Avatar
    It was dying three years ago. Don't believe me, just do a search and read all about how the end is near and three years from now people will be able to find this thread in a search.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    TgeekB and Rosebank like this.
    01-24-2017 06:59 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    Windows phone is crude in so many ways that I'm getting angry -.- Seriously they mess simple things up. It's no wonder so many people are tired of this. My suggestion is that we simply buy Android/IOS . Maybe MS will wake up sometime and just use Android for mobile. At this point WM doesn't make sense and MS should aim at the next "revolution".
    I've made many thoughts about the future of Windows mobile and I came to the conclusion that there is a way to differ from the competition. The problem is, the technology required isn't ready yet.
    Use Android for mobile? Never.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    Rosebank likes this.
    01-24-2017 07:30 PM
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