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  1. Rosebank's Avatar
    I hate to put this out there but I really do feel this platform is dying and fast too, every day I am hearing about apps no longer supported, phone faults, and update issues, I really wanted to back this platform but I feel (after only 3 months) that things are going from bad to worse, I am even reading that loyal windows phone fans are leaving in large numbers and this is very concerning, I am beginning to regret my purchase (L950).
    The platform seems static and no further phones from MS, suspected surface phone in the future but still nothing concreate, anyone else feeling this way? Its like watching a ship sink and being a part of it is not a good feeling. When I first joined W10M I was happy and optimistic but I don't feel that way now. What's more my L950 that cost £250 is now practically worthless as it wont sell as nobody demands the platform and if it did sell it would be for pennies.
    01-18-2017 11:04 AM
  2. charlatan1978's Avatar
    my L950 that cost £250 is now practically worthless as it wont sell as nobody demands the platform and if it did sell it would be for pennies.
    The Lumia 950 is still selling for around the £200 mark for a used model on ebay.

    lumia 950 | eBay
    01-18-2017 11:23 AM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    There is a lot happening in the background and I think it is premature to say W10 is dying. I understand your frustration but technology changes rapidly and they are planning for the future.

    Sent from mTalk
    01-18-2017 11:28 AM
  4. MichalR's Avatar
    I agree with Rosebank. I don't think there is any hope for Windows Mobile. The dev community reaction after MS released UWP standard was minimal, almost nobody develops for Windows Mobile, there is growing tendency to stop supporting apps that are present in the Store, every day we are informed another application is no longer supported. It's really bad situation and I don't think it have a chance to change in the nearest future.
    01-18-2017 11:46 AM
  5. Joe920's Avatar
    Its like watching a ship sink and being a part of it is not a good feeling.
    Agreed, it's wearing on me a little. If I could find an affordable Pixel or iPhone with 128GB storage or SD card support, wireless charging, a headphone jack, and glance, I'd buy it. In other words, I'm sticking with my 950XL until pigs fly, it seems. :)
    01-18-2017 12:01 PM
  6. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    I hate to put this out there but I really do feel this platform is dying and fast too, every day I am hearing about apps no longer supported, phone faults, and update issues, I really wanted to back this platform but I feel (after only 3 months) that things are going from bad to worse, I am even reading that loyal windows phone fans are leaving in large numbers and this is very concerning, I am beginning to regret my purchase (L950).
    The platform seems static and no further phones from MS, suspected surface phone in the future but still nothing concreate, anyone else feeling this way? Its like watching a ship sink and being a part of it is not a good feeling. When I first joined W10M I was happy and optimistic but I don't feel that way now. What's more my L950 that cost £250 is now practically worthless as it wont sell as nobody demands the platform and if it did sell it would be for pennies.
    Yup, exactly. Now trying to figure out which Android phone to use. I can't stand iOS every time I use it. Sad times at MSFT
    Rosebank and hfrmobile like this.
    01-18-2017 12:04 PM
  7. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    Dude. Nokia announced an android recently as they can use the Nokia brand name again.
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    01-18-2017 12:12 PM
  8. Rosebank's Avatar
    I do like my phone but the app gap is beginning to bug me, I am trying to remain optimistic but running out of patience, its really sad tbh, what really annoyed me was some recent camera instability, I have been recording exercise videos (weight lifting) documenting my progress and in recent days on 2 separate occasions I have pressed record, the video begins to record and when I go back to the phone the flash is still ON but at the phone homepage/live tiles and NO recorded video. This is making me loose confidence in my phones greatest feature.
    Joe920, theefman, Byrese and 1 others like this.
    01-18-2017 12:17 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    Well, it could be worse! And regardless, what you do now is up to you. The 950 is still a competent piece of hardware and I still enjoy some phones coughPalm Pre 2cough despite being virtually frozen in time.

    Although you may want to switch it out for a cheaper device before prices fall further if you're worried.
    01-18-2017 12:19 PM
  10. Allan Cantillo M's Avatar
    I had an old Lumia 930 and I switched to a HTC A9 like 6 months ago. I still have my Lumia 950 XL, but anytime I need an app for example to watch the cameras at my house (MS removed the app vmeye for no age rating), or a smart connector I have in my house I need to use my HTC. I can see how the Netflix is a lot better, or Spotify, and nothing is getting better on Windows side of things. Even their own Minecraft is now frozen in Windows Phone.
    I recommend everyone not to be close minded and just accept to get a second device and see it for yourselves. I prefer an Android device, they have very cheap options and they are not that bad. I just hate Apple, so I can't stand an iPhone. But you may differ.
    This week the HTC A9 received the update for Nougat and it is so good to see features like "split screen" in a working device, and not waiting Microsoft to implement the thing they introduced like 5 years ago in Windows RT to have it in a Windows Mobile. I think Microsoft just dropped the ball and everybody kicked out very far.
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    01-18-2017 12:30 PM
  11. Rosebank's Avatar
    I honestly feel MS are going to pull the plug on W10M how can they continue to develop the Eco system without building more devices?
    01-18-2017 12:39 PM
  12. MichalR's Avatar
    I recently got a cheap Android phone, Snapdragon 617, 2/16 GB of memory, 5'2 Full HD screen and although I'm huge Windows Mobile fan I MUST say it's working fantastically well. No lags, great apps, all required API's on the place, everything works as expected, especially fitness apps like Strava or Garmin. My Mi Band 2 finally became a fitness device. Those are things I was waiting for for months on Windows, but they never came. It's annoying and makes me sad, but that's the reality.
    Rosebank, xandros9, twrist and 4 others like this.
    01-18-2017 01:38 PM
  13. Sedp23's Avatar
    I'm beginning to lose hope and I been windows only since the gimped HTC touch pro 1 on Verizon. I'm going down with the ship tho I hate android and iPhone. Windows just needs more push and support from microsoft, oems and devs

    Sent from Idol 4S
    01-18-2017 01:54 PM
  14. Rosebank's Avatar
    I recently bought a Garmin Vivoactive HR, guess what.....? The app for W10M sucks, it works and syncs 50% of the time, but I was not surprised there. I might just go down with the ship too.
    01-18-2017 01:59 PM
  15. HeyCori's Avatar
    Oh no question it's dying. Microsoft isn't lining up a Lumia 955 to take the world by storm. This slow (rapid?) burn is - unfortunately - part of Microsoft's bigger strategy. It's not a strategy that any Windows' phone fan likes, but it is an inevitability. Microsoft has lost the pure smartphone race. And to be fair, they were never really in the race, being handily outsold by iOS/Android since WP7 first dropped. Windows on ARM looks to be the future of Windows "phone." Truly portable PCs that come in all form factors including phones. That should be even more apparent given today's news that Microsoft is creating an adaptive shell that should allow Windows to scale between multiple form factors.
    01-18-2017 02:42 PM
  16. Rosebank's Avatar
    Yes but these things seem too far in the Future, there should be an intermediate device like the 955 you mentioned, giving MS fans some hope and showing commitment, the 950 and 650 are expected to last until a new device comes to fruition, The Elite x3 costs too much for what is essentially a 950xl, better in some aspects and worse in other aspects, now we have to sit and wait 1 year for a new device, (I expect we will hear something in the next few months) and yes the new adaptive shell does show us that Mobile has not been forgotten, but as so many folks are leaving and loosing hope this sinking might jeopardise MS for the future so they need to do something and do it quick if you ask me, Also it needs to be right, I feel if something is rushed it will be a failure and if the loyal MS fans are leaving then who is going to be left to trail a new "Episode" in MS's development.
    Last edited by Rosebank; 01-18-2017 at 05:09 PM.
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    01-18-2017 02:59 PM
  17. HeyCori's Avatar
    Microsoft did just start selling the Alcatel Idol 4S on their site. It's only $470, so almost half of what the X3 costs. Nice specs on it too. However, I fear it's going to meet another, "while supplies last" fate.
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    01-18-2017 03:32 PM
  18. areithropos's Avatar
    Well, I think Windows 10 Mobile got degraded to some kind of prototype of Windows 10 for ARM. It only has a strategic use for them as it allows them to work on the ARM side of Windows until Windows ARM become ready.

    So, at best Windows 10 Mobile gets scavenged in the future, that could be its final destiny and until then it is usable for business and testing purposes.
    01-18-2017 04:00 PM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    Microsoft did just start selling the Alcatel Idol 4S on their site. It's only $470, so almost half of what the X3 costs. Nice specs on it too. However, I fear it's going to meet another, "while supplies last" fate.
    This, and ordered one last night and have it in my hands today.
    Beautiful device at an affordable price. This will easily get me through this year when things will start getting interesting. I've done Android and iPhone. Not going to knock them. Let's just say they're not for me.

    Sent from mTalk
    01-18-2017 04:08 PM
  20. MichalR's Avatar
    The "best" thing in Idol is lack of NFC😎 Guys, we are in 21st century, it's ridiculous that a device which aspires to be a high end device lacks NFC. Even my cheap Android phone has NFC on the board so I can use phone to pay with HCE technology.
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    01-18-2017 04:19 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    The "best" thing in Idol is lack of NFC😎 Guys, we are in 21st century, it's ridiculous that a device which aspires to be a high end device lacks NFC. Even my cheap Android phone has NFC on the board so I can use phone to pay with HCE technology.
    I have had NFC on many devices and have never used it. Won't miss it one bit.

    Sent from mTalk
    01-18-2017 04:22 PM
  22. MichalR's Avatar
    I'm using NFC daily to pay with HCE. I used it on my Lumias and using it now on Android device. I thought about taking Idol but had to pass due to lack of NFC module. The second thing are the fitness trackers. Currently nothing is supported on Windows, after the last bastion Runtastic was just recently stopped the support. Used Endomondo, but it crashes very often on Windows 10, Sports Tracker does not have any support, we can dream only about Strava native client, talked to Strava itself, they won't provide an app. There will be no Sports Tracker new app as well. Fitness bands don't work correctly as well so if Windows is not for athletes, not for kids (lacks of games), not for people who want to take some joy like Snapchat or Pokemon GO, so who is it for?
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    01-18-2017 04:30 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'm using NFC daily to pay with HCE. I used it on my Lumias and using it now on Android device. I thought about taking Idol but had to pass due to lack of NFC module. The second thing are the fitness trackers. Currently nothing is supported on Windows, after the last bastion Runtastic was just recently stopped the support. Used Endomondo, but it crashes very often on Windows 10, Sports Tracker does not have any support, we can dream only about Strava native client, talked to Strava itself, they won't provide an app. There will be no Sports Tracker new app as well. Fitness bands don't work correctly as well so if Windows is not for athletes, not for kids (lacks of games), not for people who want to take some joy like Snapchat or Pokemon GO, so who is it for?
    You picked a few specific things that may pertain to you and then made a sweeping general statement about everyone.
    Look, windows mobile is not for everyone. We all have to make our own decisions. Microsoft themselves say they are focusing on businesses right now. Therefore, Pokémon is not high on their radar.
    That doesn't make the Idol a bad device. It seems well made, I'm told has excellent battery life ( more important to me than NFC), and is smooth as butter. For me it will work splendidly.

    Sent from mTalk
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    01-18-2017 04:42 PM
  24. Rosebank's Avatar
    Garmin fitness tracker is supported via Garmin connect but as I stated previously its hit and miss syncing, @MichalR.
    When I see how well the Android App works for Garmin compared to on the windows version it's rather insulting, my back up Andriod cost £25,Alcatel pixi 3.5 and the App works a treat, my L950 @£250 can't run the App properly due to poor app development with Bluetooth syncing issues.
    Last edited by Rosebank; 01-18-2017 at 05:29 PM.
    01-18-2017 04:53 PM
  25. MichalR's Avatar
    I did not make any other comments than about the OS. I used Windows for years, I was one of the first Insiders when the program started. But after about two years of testing I just gave up. It's mainly due to lack of apps. Currently this is a disaster watching like your favorite apps just are removing from the store or loose support. You say MS is focusing on business - come on, what benefits do your see for the business from using Windows Mobile? Give you the example: I'm working in the international corporation, where we use Good corporate technology. There are some apps for email, messenger, digital token made by Good, and for which OS you cannot get one? Obviously for Windows. There is only an old, not updated app for email, but forget about the rest. Not supported, if you want to use it, go to iOS or Android. The same with innovative digital teleconferencing technologies. You can get an app for iOS and Android, but not for Windows. So please don't tell Windows is for business, it is definitely not. Serious business uses Apple or Google devices. And one more thing - Outlook and the built in email client. On Windows taking email from Gmail takes ages, the same takes second on Android. I have tried Outlook for Android as well - had to remove it quickly when I realized that it's not able to open PDF files. Sorry to say, but currently Windows is a joke.
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    01-18-2017 04:56 PM
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