02-14-2017 09:28 AM
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  1. Yiannis_P's Avatar
    Reading all those things about Windows on ARM, cloud version of W10 and the generic idea of Microsoft replacing Windows 10 mobile for something else I was wondering if it's right to buy Lumia 950XL to change my (beloved) Lumia 640. I know we have to wait for a long time to see new windows phones but I wouldn't like to buy it and after some months stop being updated
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    02-04-2017 02:07 PM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    The only reason I would get a 950/950XL over a 640 right now is if the price makes the hardware, and only the hardware (and hardware related features like Continuum) worth the markup.

    I think it's safe to say that Microsoft's mobile offerings are about to see another schism like between WP7 and WP8 within the next 5 years. (whether a clean break or one that relegates W10M to play second-fiddle on lower-end devices.
    Last edited by xandros9; 02-05-2017 at 11:48 AM. Reason: typo
    02-04-2017 04:18 PM
  3. libra89's Avatar
    I think when it comes to the line of support, the 950s will probably have longer support over the others. If you want to try it, just go for it if you can find a good deal.
    02-04-2017 09:36 PM
  4. raycpl's Avatar
    Definitely, even if its just for the camera itself. Hope you are able to find cheap deals for the 950...!

    .... !!!
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    02-04-2017 10:55 PM
  5. madcursor's Avatar
    Definitely go for it. Hardware wise it is a no brainer and in terms of software, there is not expected to be any significant changes for the next year and a half (maybe longer) or till surface phone is launched, even after that the support will remain.
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    02-05-2017 12:03 AM
  6. raycpl's Avatar
    .. and hardware related features like Continuum) worth the markup.
    This.
    I couldn't get the hub when I got my 950XL, as it was out of stock. But I'm using it on my TV, via a MSFT wireless display adaptor. A bit clumsy but the potential is huge when properly set up...
    .. yeah, go get the 950

    .... !!!
    02-05-2017 12:22 AM
  7. Faisal Islam2's Avatar
    If you are windows fan then go for Lumia 950
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    02-05-2017 02:11 AM
  8. ananve's Avatar
    I'm very happy work my new 950xl. Upgraded from 640 recently.
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    02-05-2017 06:31 AM
  9. Kot Prada's Avatar
    Reading all those things about Windows on ARM, cloud version of W10 and the generic idea of Microsoft replacing Windows 10 mobile for something else I was wondering if it's right to buy Lumia 950XL to change my (beloved) Lumia 640. I know we have to wait for a long time to see new windows phones but I wouldn't like to buy it and after some months stop being updated
    I've made a conclusion for myself, that Surface Phone and ARM game will last minimum a year... therefore, You should have something comfort for next 1-1,5 year. And 950/XL fits that conclusion.
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    02-05-2017 07:51 AM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    I've made a conclusion for myself, that Surface Phone and ARM game will last minimum a year... therefore, You should have something comfort for next 1-1,5 year. And 950/XL fits that conclusion.
    Even if the Surface phone comes earlier, phones like the 950xl will keep working for quite a while. I think it's a good move.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
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    02-05-2017 03:04 PM
  11. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    I think if you want to stay with Windows Phone you have to do it. If you wait much longer, you won't be able to find the Lumia 950 or XL anymore and if something happens to your 640, you will be out of luck. Lumia's are end of life and we have no solid evidence showing any other windows phones coming out this year. I'm in the same boat. I was hoping to hang onto my 1520 until we could see how things are going to play out with a possible Surface Mobile and Windows Phone in general. But, now my battery is going and if I wait much longer, I won't be able to find a Lumia 950XL to replace it. If you want to make sure you can stay on Windows Phone, you should probably do it.
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    02-05-2017 05:47 PM
  12. EspHack's Avatar
    im sure your stay on w10m wont be as irritating and painful as it might be today on that 640, just dont pay more than 200$ for the 950

    I just dont see how anyone can stand a 1gb w10m device today, looking at a 830, 928 and my icon side by side they just feel unusable, the 830 is barely any better than the 928 afaik
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    02-06-2017 03:47 PM
  13. slivy58's Avatar
    I just dont see how anyone can stand a 1gb w10m device today, looking at a 830, 928 and my icon side by side they just feel unusable, the 830 is barely any better than the 928 afaik
    I own the 830, 650 and 950, all running W10M (same builds), apps, etc. Upon doing a comparison between the three I do not find a HUGE difference say w/950 over the 830/650 when doing what I'd consider normal tasks, yes it is evident (at times) but not like it's night and day. When I said "at times" that is because on several occasions while opening same apps the 950 looked to be the clear winner, but lo and behold my 650 trumped it by being the one "fully" ready for action, sooner. If my 830/650 runs an app and I see loading/resuming or the spinning dots pretty much same happens on 950. I attribute these fact to W10M not being tweaked efficiently to use the extra processing power/ram.
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    02-06-2017 06:54 PM
  14. EspHack's Avatar
    I own the 830, 650 and 950, all running W10M (same builds), apps, etc. Upon doing a comparison between the three I do not find a HUGE difference say w/950 over the 830/650 when doing what I'd consider normal tasks, yes it is evident (at times) but not like it's night and day. When I said "at times" that is because on several occasions while opening same apps the 950 looked to be the clear winner, but lo and behold my 650 trumped it by being the one "fully" ready for action, sooner. If my 830/650 runs an app and I see loading/resuming or the spinning dots pretty much same happens on 950. I attribute these fact to W10M not being tweaked efficiently to use the extra processing power/ram.
    well you see that's the real problem, that there's no consistency with w10m whatsoever, it might run well or totally unusable on any random phone, as for my experience the 1gb devices are irritating AF when multitasking, apps like whatsapp are beyond repair since they are pretty much intentionally made to show a loading screen, so I rarely ever use them, maybe that's why your 950 doesn't feel that different, its essentially condemned to show loading screens no matter how fast it is

    of course there won't be a difference in a chat app while doing, well, chatting, I suppose that's what you consider "normal tasks"
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    02-08-2017 01:10 PM
  15. Yiannis_P's Avatar
    950 doesn't feel that different, its essentially condemned to show loading screens no matter how fast it is
    loading/resuming or the spinning dots pretty much same happens on 950
    That's the exact reason why I hesitate with 950. I tried a demo device and it wasn't as snappy as I was expecting to be. Then again, maybe future windows or app updates will eliminate slow loading screens. Assuming of course that besides the slow launching, app performance and multitasking will be perfect on hardware like this.
    02-10-2017 11:58 AM
  16. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Originally posted by Awhispersecho
    I think if you want to stay with Windows Phone you have to do it. If you wait much longer, you won't be able to find the Lumia 950 or XL anymore and if something happens to your 640, you will be out of luck. Lumia's are end of life and we have no solid evidence showing any other windows phones coming out this year. I'm in the same boat. I was hoping to hang onto my 1520 until we could see how things are going to play out with a possible Surface Mobile and Windows Phone in general. But, now my battery is going and if I wait much longer, I won't be able to find a Lumia 950XL to replace it. If you want to make sure you can stay on Windows Phone, you should probably do it.
    Yep. I have an L930 but I'm picking up my 950XL tomorrow for the reasons above. I even looked at getting an 8 inch Windows tablet with 4G sim instead, but the only one I could find in the UK was a toughened jobbie that was too bulky. 950/950XL or expensive HP Elite are the only options now unless you live in range of the one phone company in the whole world that sells the Alcatel alternative. Yep, they are still playing the exclusives game. My, that phone will be popular. So, unless you are planning to spend out on the Elite, grab a 950 today. We're drinking in the Last Chance Saloon and they just called time.
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    02-10-2017 01:53 PM
  17. EspHack's Avatar
    That's the exact reason why I hesitate with 950. I tried a demo device and it wasn't as snappy as I was expecting to be. Then again, maybe future windows or app updates will eliminate slow loading screens. Assuming of course that besides the slow launching, app performance and multitasking will be perfect on hardware like this.
    that's because half the software is not even aware of the 950's existence, if you stick to modern UWP apps you will see it fly compared to lower end phones, but even then a 930 is hard to tell apart from a 950, only camera and browsing show a noticeable improvement
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    02-10-2017 01:57 PM
  18. slivy58's Avatar
    that's because half the software is not even aware of the 950's existence, if you stick to modern UWP apps you will see it fly compared to lower end phones, but even then a 930 is hard to tell apart from a 950, only camera and browsing show a noticeable improvement
    Not sure I'd be so quick to use the term FLY when describing the 950 over some lower-end phones, even when running UWP apps. Still too much inconsistency w/W10M that it hinders day-to-day use, at least that's been my experience. And contrary to what many say about Android, I just have to use my same/similarly spec'd LG G4 to see how a well implemented OS can make a huge difference. The G4 is so much more fluid/smoother to use making for a very pleasurable experience.
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    02-10-2017 07:45 PM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    Not sure I'd be so quick to use the term FLY when describing the 950 over some lower-end phones, even when running UWP apps. Still too much inconsistency w/W10M that it hinders day-to-day use, at least that's been my experience. And contrary to what many say about Android, I just have to use my same/similarly spec'd LG G4 to see how a well implemented OS can make a huge difference. The G4 is so much more fluid/smoother to use making for a very pleasurable experience.
    There are too many variables within our way experiences to make assumptions. While I wouldn't say the 950 "flies", it's no slouch either. Certainly a worthy device for those who enjoy the Windows experience.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-10-2017 07:58 PM
  20. libra89's Avatar
    There are too many variables within our way experiences to make assumptions. While I wouldn't say the 950 "flies", it's no slouch either. Certainly a worthy device for those who enjoy the Windows experience.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    This.
    I have no regrets owning the 950 again. As a native Windows 10 Mobile phone, it's nice. I'm a fan, I just wish that the battery life matched my other phones.

    I had a 640 and on W10M, I was not a fan. Too slow, at least consider the 650.
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    02-10-2017 08:02 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    This.
    I have no regrets owning the 950 again. As a native Windows 10 Mobile phone, it's nice. I'm a fan, I just wish that the battery life matched my other phones.

    I had a 640 and on W10M, I was not a fan. Too slow, at least consider the 650.
    If there was one thing I was forced to say may have been subpar regarding my 950, it was battery life. Not horrible just subpar.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
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    02-10-2017 08:20 PM
  22. slivy58's Avatar
    There are too many variables within our way experiences to make assumptions. While I wouldn't say the 950 "flies", it's no slouch either. Certainly a worthy device for those who enjoy the Windows experience.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    Yes there are many variables yet IMO W10M does not utilize the hardware to the degree it should. Comparing the 950 to G4 highlights this and don't feel my comparison was too far out in left field, nor do I think I'm basing our experience off assumption either but rather on facts. Both devices are running 808s, have 418 GPUs, 3 gigs of ram, and same 1440 x 2560 resolution, then opening same or comparable apps. If one handles the processes better and feels more tuned then there is only one thing to conclude, it rises above... Yes we could use benchmark tools for testing but IMO the result don't always hold true, "real world" is the most telling.

    And no, I don't think the 950 is a slouch but for what it is, it's not where it should be. We like it yet has left me a bit underwhelmed. Got to admit, I'm more impressed with the 650 when comparing dollar for dollar.
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    02-10-2017 09:47 PM
  23. Kot Prada's Avatar
    Yes there are many variables yet IMO W10M does not utilize the hardware to the degree it should. Comparing the 950 to G4 highlights this and don't feel my comparison was too far out in left field, nor do I think I'm basing our experience off assumption either but rather on facts. Both devices are running 808s, have 418 GPUs, 3 gigs of ram, and same 1440 x 2560 resolution, then opening same or comparable apps. If one handles the processes better and feels more tuned then there is only one thing to conclude, it rises above... Yes we could use benchmark tools for testing but IMO the result don't always hold true, "real world" is the most telling.

    And no, I don't think the 950 is a slouch but for what it is, it's not where it should be. We like it yet has left me a bit underwhelmed. Got to admit, I'm more impressed with the 650 when comparing dollar for dollar.
    You shouldn't compare same specs for different OSs. Android needs 1,5 times more powerful hardware, to work as fluid as BB10 or W10.
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    02-11-2017 06:42 AM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    Yes there are many variables yet IMO W10M does not utilize the hardware to the degree it should. Comparing the 950 to G4 highlights this and don't feel my comparison was too far out in left field, nor do I think I'm basing our experience off assumption either but rather on facts. Both devices are running 808s, have 418 GPUs, 3 gigs of ram, and same 1440 x 2560 resolution, then opening same or comparable apps. If one handles the processes better and feels more tuned then there is only one thing to conclude, it rises above... Yes we could use benchmark tools for testing but IMO the result don't always hold true, "real world" is the most telling.

    And no, I don't think the 950 is a slouch but for what it is, it's not where it should be. We like it yet has left me a bit underwhelmed. Got to admit, I'm more impressed with the 650 when comparing dollar for dollar.
    I haven't used a 650 so I can't comment on that, but I've heard good things from others.
    We all have a different "feel" for what is best. It's very subjective and I respect your opinion. I also stand by mine: the 950 is a worthy everyday device for those not tied to apps.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-11-2017 08:34 AM
  25. slivy58's Avatar
    You shouldn't compare same specs for different OSs. Android needs 1,5 times more powerful hardware, to work as fluid as BB10 or W10.
    Personally I don't agree that Android needs 1.5 times the hardware, my phones and tablets have proven otherwise to me. Maybe when and if MS tunes 10 into a more refined and smoother OS that will change but until then, we're not finding that to be the case.
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    02-11-2017 09:26 AM
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