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  1. techiez's Avatar
    The lesson I'm learning here is not to invest my valuable emotional energy into fantasizing about what could be, and the potential of Windows on phone (or even Windows in general).
    Leave the fantasizing part to Jason Ward :P

    Forget abt features, they are not even fixing the bugs which are long open. and for a long time WC kept on supporting MS like Dan saying RS2 will be mobile focussed, now he no longer promises anything on MS behalf. The writing on the wall is clear they dont want to announce that mobile is dead, they want it to die natural death.

    I get the feeling that a surface phone is completely pointless now.
    We dont even know if it is in works still, only WC talks abt it but MS may have shelved the project already.

    I don't think Microsoft can do anything. They provided the phones and the tools for developers, it did well in countries like mine, but the focus continually was on the US and a domestic lack of apps. They can't force carriers to carry them, they can't force companies/services/banks to make the apps. The US is too locked into Google and Apple. Then you have the 'fans' constantly wanting the impossible. People demanding a flagship when the OS wasn't ready, when they caved and released flagships, people complained, they complained at the coloured shells, the black and white shells, the lack of a metal edge etc. Then another group constantly asking over and over what Microsofts strategy is, they'd spell it out in simple English yet the question was repeated over and over and over and over. Then others wanting this mythical Surface Phone, the solution to all woes, then others saying switch to Android - yup, how's that working for Blackberry? And all the while as everyone plays this great tug-of-war with Microsoft trying to please everyone but utterly failing, the critics, the media and even the fans are wailing about Doom! and the death of the platform. Every Windows Phone forum, discussion group etc has the same stuff over and over "Are they listening?" "What's the strategy?" "Where's the Surface Phone?" and "Windows Phone is dead!".

    Microsoft are damned if they do, damned if they don't. I sold my 950 for a cheap Android phone because I got sick of the whole thing, I HATE Android and iOS in equal measure. I am desperate for another Windows phone but I think this Samsung thing is not a good sign for consumers.
    Comeon dont give MS a way out, what was their strategy in simple english? it was "Retrenchment". what happened to the releasing of limited yearly phones, 1 budget, 1 highend etc
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    03-30-2017 11:17 PM
  2. muvig's Avatar
    As long as Microsoft cannot get (or mandate) its staff - especially the developers - to use its mobile platform (even as work-only phones), they'll never be invested enough to resolve the problems with the platform.
    I once said this long time ago, sure how can they listen when they are using other platforms?
    jeffchapik and Rod Iron like this.
    03-31-2017 01:12 AM
  3. nate0's Avatar
    They are. The internet and forums do not do them much justice though. From my viewpoint as far as mobile phones go, Microsoft has the unorthodox approach. They are a huge outfit and to balance out all their assets equally to me would seem quite near impossible. Remember how slow the crawler-transporters move the space craft to their destination. Microsoft is alive and kicking all over. We just can't really see it from our perspective. Maybe they have not yet swung the weight in our direction again just yet.
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    03-31-2017 02:22 AM
  4. kapil Matta's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't care for windows phone users anymore.
    They can release and upgrade a software for android/iOS, but not for us.
    The circle shaped one handed keyboard for iPhone?

    Microsoft lost hopes too early on windows phone.
    Windows Phone was loved by its fans, and had a niche following.
    Apple used to be a niche name till iPhone came. But they always kept their fans in mind.
    Rod Iron and Erphis like this.
    03-31-2017 02:38 AM
  5. muvig's Avatar
    I don't think Microsoft can do anything. They provided the phones and the tools for developers, it did well in countries like mine, but the focus continually was on the US and a domestic lack of apps. They can't force carriers to carry them, they can't force companies/services/banks to make the apps. The US is too locked into Google and Apple. Then you have the 'fans' constantly wanting the impossible. People demanding a flagship when the OS wasn't ready, when they caved and released flagships, people complained, they complained at the coloured shells, the black and white shells, the lack of a metal edge etc. Then another group constantly asking over and over what Microsofts strategy is, they'd spell it out in simple English yet the question was repeated over and over and over and over. Then others wanting this mythical Surface Phone, the solution to all woes, then others saying switch to Android - yup, how's that working for Blackberry? And all the while as everyone plays this great tug-of-war with Microsoft trying to please everyone but utterly failing, the critics, the media and even the fans are wailing about Doom! and the death of the platform. Every Windows Phone forum, discussion group etc has the same stuff over and over "Are they listening?" "What's the strategy?" "Where's the Surface Phone?" and "Windows Phone is dead!".

    Microsoft are damned if they do, damned if they don't. I sold my 950 for a cheap Android phone because I got sick of the whole thing, I HATE Android and iOS in equal measure. I am desperate for another Windows phone but I think this Samsung thing is not a good sign for consumers.
    Some of the complains are genuine, MS removed HERE Maps, and they have a tendency of removing features that users have never complained about.
    Instead of putting an option to enable a text reply to a missed call, they chose to change contact pictures from square to circles. they are concentrating on cosmetics instead of fixing the real issues. Why giving Cortana to everyone on other platforms but forcing W10P to change regions
    Last edited by muvig; 03-31-2017 at 03:32 AM. Reason: correct something
    03-31-2017 03:26 AM
  6. envio's Avatar
    Every mobile reboot that Microsoft has initiated since 2010 has had good intentions coloured with poor execution, mis-understanding of the market, bad timing and, (in the early days) lack of clear communication. I think Micrsoft hears a lot of complaints and useful feedback but only listens and takes action where it fits their underlying strategy.

    Let's take the early days of WP7 as an example. I remember the tremendous amount of feedback and earbashing that Microsoft received over its decision to axe Avtivesync client (USB sync). This would have provided some sort of bridge for WP7 users looking to port over historic email, contacts etc from their WM6.5 devices to WP7 since there was no direct upgrade path and no direct migration path either. Microsoft's only official repsonse was, create a Microsoft Account and sync email/Contacts from the PC to the cloud via a PC-based Hotmail connector for Outlook and then sync back down to the phone, assuming you wanted to redirect email and contacts to a Microsoft Account in the first place.

    What Microsoft didn't say directly was that it no intention to provide any sort of USB-based sync because its strategy was entirely focused on moving users to cloud based scenarios and there would be no turning back. So any "listening" it did would be around improving the cloud syncing elements, not local sync. It didn't help that they were late to the mobile party with a limited OS with so many features from WM6.5 missing, had few willing device partners, slow-to-burn carrier relationships etc etc, they just ploughed on anyway. That's just one example.
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    03-31-2017 04:03 AM
  7. Neill Baldwin's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't care for windows phone users anymore.
    They can release and upgrade a software for android/iOS, but not for us.
    .
    Yeah, and now they are going to have their own Microsoft version of Android's top phone, the S8.
    03-31-2017 04:24 AM
  8. Cloudius Elvis's Avatar
    Let's face it... there are not many of us left, comparably, to the global mobile community. We test, we send feedback, we deal with the highs and lows but we are faithful. I just got a replacement 1520 for my failed one... and I have an 830 and a 925... oh and a HTC 8x too.

    I'm tired of the endless upgrades to get back to the OS version I want... and I can't imagine it would be very difficult for Microsoft to implement two improvements:

    Running WDRT, provide a list of up to date base OS options common to that device so we can install that version directly.

    Being able to create a manual backup which is not susceptible to being overwritten. Allow us to name it from the device and control it's characteristics (read only, baseline, etc) in Onedrive.

    I know I'm not the only one who bemoans the these tasks when getting a new device or resetting because of an issue with a new build.

    I also realize Microsoft is extremely interested in the upgrade process to ensure customers get the most reliable experience but I guarantee you there is no value in OUR endless upgrading a vanilla device from 8.1 --> 8.1.1 --> TH1 --> RS1 and soon --> RS2.

    I have submitted these in the Feedback hub, lets hope they are still listening.
    03-31-2017 04:44 AM
  9. Starboy21's Avatar
    No i dnt think they r listening n if they r then they shud reply to all those articles n news on the web stating windows mobile is dead well yes there r very few users but still they r addicted to windows n look at Microsoft every build comes with bugs do they even test it themselves n now they r joining Samsung and plus all those apps on ios n lagdroid wow if they r going to leave WM then they shud at the least send a msg stating we r done with WM now u may plz drop the OS but no keep quiet n release apps n support ios n lagdroid...itzz time for MS to leave ios n lagdroid giv WM users some hope make a new lumia a flagship which kills ios n lagdroid n focus on advertising..
    03-31-2017 05:41 AM
  10. Daniel Stevenson Sutton's Avatar
    There are some occasions where I can see real changes happening, but what annoys me is when they fail to deliver on promised functionality. For example, in the teaser trailer for the anniversary update they hinted at Call hand off's and machine, does not exist; they hinted at a timeline view for exploring files and content, I have seen it once, in the iPad version of Sway. They suggested deeper Cortana interaction with Ink...only half way there. I am not saying these things wont come...but I would almost rather they didnt show us things until they were close to delivery. Or keep them in the vision videos.
    03-31-2017 07:01 AM
  11. AngelaA9's Avatar
    Keep them on vision videos
    03-31-2017 07:12 AM
  12. FirstWatt's Avatar
    As long as Microsoft cannot get (or mandate) its staff - especially the developers - to use its mobile platform (even as work-only phones), they'll never be invested enough to resolve the problems with the platform.
    Spot on.

    And I strongly believe in Management by Example.
    The contrary of what that Belfiore Clown did, sporting everything else than a WP, back then (no, I'm not talking about his phone used during his sabbatical).
    03-31-2017 07:58 AM
  13. rhapdog's Avatar
    Instead of putting an option to enable a text reply to a missed call, they chose to change contact pictures from square to circles.
    Aw, man?! Does that mean I need to stop using that text reply feature that's on my W10M and Laptop? I get notifications of the missed call, on my phone or laptop, and I can send a text reply from the notification. Sorry. I didn't realize that feature didn't exist. I'll stop using it right away.

    Hey, maybe Microsoft isn't listening, but you can be sure the NSA and CIA always are according to the Vault 7 dump by WikiLeaks. So don't feel bad. At least there's someone out there who cares enough to listen.
    libra89, Starboy21 and editguy like this.
    03-31-2017 08:06 AM
  14. James Edge's Avatar
    Microsoft hasn't listened in years, I still remember getting my 930 as an upgrade and being devastated by how inferior to the 920 it was :(

    All I want is a normal sized (non-plus) phone that has a good camera, wireless charging and Lumia Glance. But the 920 was the last one they made that did all three so when mine broke I had to move to a Sony Xperia Z3c, such a shame as Windows Phone is a good O/S just let down by Microsoft buying out then ruining the best hardware company (Nokia).
    Starboy21, libra89, nate0 and 1 others like this.
    03-31-2017 08:51 AM
  15. editguy's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't care for windows phone users anymore.
    They can release and upgrade a software for android/iOS, but not for us.
    The circle shaped one handed keyboard for iPhone?

    Microsoft lost hopes too early on windows phone.
    Windows Phone was loved by its fans, and had a niche following.
    Apple used to be a niche name till iPhone came. But they always kept their fans in mind.
    First, as much as we might dislike it, it makes sense for MS to do what they are doing on iOS and Android. They are a software company and they have to go where the dollars are. That means allocating resources to those areas. They want things like Office on every device, everywhere. It's a cash cow and they would be foolish not to take advantage of those opportunities. Also, comparing to Apple is pointless. Apple had a cult-like following that has never been seen on that scale by any company regardless of product. No one has found a way to duplicate that.

    I get frustrated, too, but I force myself to look at it from a perspective other than that of a fanboy (which I am, to a degree). When view it that way you see that, in most areas, Microsoft is doing what makes most sense for the financial health and future of the company.
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    03-31-2017 01:42 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    First, as much as we might dislike it, it makes sense for MS to do what they are doing on iOS and Android. They are a software company and they have to go where the dollars are. That means allocating resources to those areas. They want things like Office on every device, everywhere. It's a cash cow and they would be foolish not to take advantage of those opportunities. Also, comparing to Apple is pointless. Apple had a cult-like following that has never been seen on that scale by any company regardless of product. No one has found a way to duplicate that.

    I get frustrated, too, but I force myself to look at it from a perspective other than that of a fanboy (which I am, to a degree). When view it that way you see that, in most areas, Microsoft is doing what makes most sense for the financial health and future of the company.
    Agree.
    Can you imagine a company like them having to listen to and please every fanboy? Impossible. There are too many variables and processes to be a successful company. MS is doing the right thing to ensure a secure future. Of course we all hope that includes a phone to our liking, but we'll have to wait and see.

    The talk around here is similar to what I heard on CrackBerry. BB10 came to market too late and lost the battle to the two giants, even though it was a very good OS. Fans screamed they just needed more marketing, should get more app developers on board, should make one more phone. Of course none of that would work. Their move to Android raised screams from people saying they would surely fail, weren't listening to fans, had lost their mind, the CEO was stupid, etc. etc. I see today their stock is up over 12% because they outperformed expectations. It takes time and courage to change course in the face of adversity. I am comfortable riding along with MS to see where this journey goes.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-31-2017 02:27 PM
  17. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Actually, that idea only makes sense. I wouldn't be too surprised if they don't also do the same when the Iphone 8 comes out this fall. Remember, MS makes hardware more as a reference to sell their software and services. They may not care about people buying Windows Phones but they certainly care about people using Office (vs. Google Docs), SQL Server (vs. Oracle), and now Azure (vs. AWS). Since worldwide Android sales are at 90% or more, they definitely want to be in the space.

    Also, they've recently stated they're looking at more than mobile devices. The HP X3 I use is a first stab at this new world. I see the S8 will have DeX as a similar feature to Continuum. Think about cellular enabled devices running in your car or using low-powered ARM for household tasks.

    Note that I'm even using a Microsoft launcher on my (work) Android device and have access to over a dozen Microsoft apps. I'm sure Iphones have a similar experience (though I don't think you can change the launcher).

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    03-31-2017 04:07 PM
  18. Neill Baldwin's Avatar
    I don't disagree that at this point they are doing what they have to to be profitable. I guess I just feel like I got snookered when Microsoft bought the hardware division of Nokia.I should have known better. Nokia were the only ones I saw promoting WP( mainly the 1020) but not much from Microsoft. But I believed they must have had big plans and I bought the 950, them the bottom dropped out. No advertisement, promotion, or anything. Their market share went from what, around %3 to less than 1.
    03-31-2017 04:09 PM
  19. nycny's Avatar
    For a dead OS, sure got a lot of updates today.
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    03-31-2017 07:29 PM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    For a dead OS, sure got a lot of updates today.
    For those of us not whining.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    03-31-2017 08:14 PM
  21. tomakali's Avatar
    Microsoft Should have two versions of Phone Business

    Microsoft Lumia Series = Samsung Dex Android with Microsoft Apps
    Microsoft Surface Phone = W10 with futuristic vision
    04-01-2017 12:51 AM
  22. mohammad Al-nabulsi's Avatar
    Let's face it... there are not many of us left, comparably, to the global mobile community. We test, we send feedback, we deal with the highs and lows but we are faithful. I just got a replacement 1520 for my failed one... and I have an 830 and a 925... oh and a HTC 8x too.

    I'm tired of the endless upgrades to get back to the OS version I want... and I can't imagine it would be very difficult for Microsoft to implement two improvements:

    Running WDRT, provide a list of up to date base OS options common to that device so we can install that version directly.

    Being able to create a manual backup which is not susceptible to being overwritten. Allow us to name it from the device and control it's characteristics (read only, baseline, etc) in Onedrive.

    I know I'm not the only one who bemoans the these tasks when getting a new device or resetting because of an issue with a new build.

    I also realize Microsoft is extremely interested in the upgrade process to ensure customers get the most reliable experience but I guarantee you there is no value in OUR endless upgrading a vanilla device from 8.1 --> 8.1.1 --> TH1 --> RS1 and soon --> RS2.

    I have submitted these in the Feedback hub, lets hope they are still listening.
    04-01-2017 06:43 PM
  23. techiez's Avatar
    what features u got? none of the long standing bugs have been resolved, only reason u see the updates are due to common code base, so they keep bumping up the builds without "any" meaningful update to mobile.
    04-01-2017 10:18 PM
  24. Rod Iron's Avatar
    No MS quit as soon as Nutella took over. They can spin it anyway they want but the stats show the truth. Yeah they are still talking about it and sending updates but to who?? There's hardly anyone left to receive them. CDMA was completely abandoned. That was an awesome message to customers so no they couldn't give a crap.
    aximtreo likes this.
    04-02-2017 01:06 AM
  25. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    I follow Dona Sarkar and Jen Gentleman, developers of Windows 10 and avid fans of Windows Phones.
    I just don't know how much influence they have over Microsoft business decisions.
    04-02-2017 04:50 AM
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