04-29-2017 05:27 PM
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  1. kenzibit's Avatar
    Not to me. I use the office apps, twitter, readit, lil facebook and a few others. My app gap is solved by edge and the app called App it! The inly problem is most of our apps aren't feature proofed but lite versions. I'm using the photos app right now and need to make some inking on it but can do on the phone until I get back to the office to a pc...that's what makes me feel limited.
    04-04-2017 10:39 AM
  2. marpamcy's Avatar

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    So to sum up yes, the lack of apps is the real WP problem.
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    04-04-2017 10:39 AM
  3. pedmar007's Avatar
    No it's the OS plain and simple. Consumers use the OS more than any APP period. Settings, Camera, app list, phone calls, texts, Battery life etc. Windows phone users complain more about the OS experience right now over the App parity on rival OSes. Makes little sense for developers to create apps for W10M that wouldn't have good functionality due to OS bugs/issues. Let's say Facebook created an update that made that App on the 3 OSes work flawlessly and with same features, now let's say that W10M when you opened Facebook and starting using it, it cut your battery life in half in comparison to IOS or Android that used 1-5% of total battery life. Would that W10M user enjoy the app as much or use it as much? NO so it's not the app it's the OS. My L950XL's battery life is ok for the entire day if I only looked at the screen and nothing else.

    In order for Apps to be on Windows 10 Mobile, The OS itself has to attract USERS, when MS can do that to the point that any current IPhone or Android user can truly pick up any current W10M device and have the like functionality then they will start buying w10m devices and developers will see the #s increasing and hence look to update apps and create along side the IOs and Android counterparts well.

    Seriously why would any developer in his/her right mind create any app for Windows 10 Mobile for that app to have functionality issues created due to a buggy OS still under MS's development. After RS3 depending on how much that update improves the OS for any consumer to use it as a true daily driver device, then anyone can have any App argument from then until cows can actually jump over the moon.
    Last edited by pedmar007; 04-04-2017 at 10:55 AM.
    04-04-2017 10:45 AM
  4. AbhiWindows10's Avatar
    Well, the last 2 to 3 years, the APP GAP *was* the problem. But now, for me its more about the lack of stability in the OS.

    There are issues and more issues popping up day by day. It doesn't seem to get better even if Zac Bowden says so. Sure, the OS looks better with enhanced settings, etc but it's still buggy in places.
    04-04-2017 10:47 AM
  5. mayconvert's Avatar
    Yes. I am not talking about Super Mario and Pokémon, I am talking about apps like Geico, my bank, etc.
    I waited for YEARS for a starbucks app because I am a coffee junkie and want my rewards since I am spending money anyways, but even the starbucks app is TERRIBLE compared to the iOS version.

    If there were No apps on any platform, the Core OS only, Windows is BY FAR the BEST OS ever put on a phone, but what's the point if I can't have GOOD, USEFUL apps that help me thru my day. NONE of them are there.

    Some of the stuff I want to do "could" be done thru the web browser, but Edge is the worst browser in the history of web browsers. Complete Joke.
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    04-04-2017 10:49 AM
  6. James Hancock's Avatar
    The app lack is a real problem because of fringe apps. Microsoft needs to re-enable the Android emulator and then quietly curate certain apps that are never going to end up in the store otherwise. A short list:

    1. Kevo (Lock)
    2. Rachio (watering system)
    3. TD Bank (Banking with check deposit which doesn't work online)
    4. Whirlpool
    5. Harmony (remote)
    6. Jaguar Apps (remote start etc.)
    7. DirecTV Now
    8. UE Boom
    9. Roku
    10. Amazon Instant Video
    11. Amazon Photos
    12. Amazon Drive
    13. Sonos
    14. Waze (current version sucks)

    That's a short list for me, but everyone will have specific apps. If the emulated quietly they'd still have mindshare and people using it and the more people use the phone the more likely you'll get to have real windows apps (Yes even though they could just let MS add the android version)

    Also MS has a developer issue. Right now you can have a JavaScript/Typescript developer that can code everything: Server, Browser and Mobile.

    Using Microsoft's preferred C# language you have C# for the server, Typescript for the browser, Xamarin C# with a different XAML for iOS/Android and C#+XAML for UWP.

    They desperately need to get UWP ported to iOS and Android as it is in UWP and just warn on things that won't work so that you can build a UWP app and hit rebuild and it goes to iOS And Android (and they need to provide developers with free iOS build in the cloud with emulator on Windows so you don't have to buy a Mac to dev for iOS which will cause devs to switch back to windows).

    And then they need to buy Bridge.NET or similar and get an excellent "build UWP and get HTML5" story going so that you can write in XAML/C# and you get your website too.

    Because for the average small/medium size dev shop having C# developers and JavaScript developers increases costs compared to just JavaScript developers.

    They do the above and they can win back Mobile and developers like crazy. But the patchwork of Xamarin, UWP and Web isn't going to cut it.
    04-04-2017 10:49 AM
  7. steve_w_7's Avatar
    It's all a mess now. The OS is ugly. The app gap is real. No exciting hardware. Nothing but false hope and empty promises on the horizon. But other than that, everything is great!
    Boutsen likes this.
    04-04-2017 10:50 AM
  8. anon(3463402)'s Avatar
    1. We need more apps
    2. We need more Windows phone manufacturers, more models
    3. We need better promotion

    Sent from my beautiful Lumia 950 XL
    04-04-2017 10:52 AM
  9. gano101's Avatar

    The OS itself is more beautiful and fluid however there are parts of it that appear to be under developed due largely to it's relatively 'newness' (if such a word exists) however project Neon looks to be the answer to this concern. The tiles are not just practical but customisable which helps users get a unique look. The hardware and I'm thinking mainly of the Lumia cameras are still up there, although the iPhone 7 is very good.

    Cortana is the best personal assistant out there, bar none.

    It's always been the apps that's been the deal breaker for some. If MS can reveal a road-map with a commitment to mobile which includes tools for devs on other platform to port their wares to WM there would be a lot of happy users who are willing to commit to the OS for a while longer and would no doubt attract other OEMs to the platform.
    Laura Knotek and mayconvert like this.
    04-04-2017 10:54 AM
  10. anon(9995677)'s Avatar
    It seems that the "World" is based on IPhone and Google apps. Direct TV, major networks plus a multitude of others create only for the two not Windows...but I do like my 1520 Lumia!
    04-04-2017 10:56 AM
  11. olivermills6's Avatar
    Nope, the situation is unlikely to change, and has in fact gotten worse.

    Microsoft does not appear to care about the platform beyond the odd minor tweak here and there, and developers see that, which makes it even less of an appealing proposition.
    That unfair criticism of Microsoft. Microsoft spent 6 years putting an insane amount of money into R&D and Marketing for Windows Phone/Mobile (considering its market share), to claim they do not care is not only short-sighted but downright ungrateful for everything Microsoft have tried to do for the platform.

    What has actually happened is they have re-focussed their business to those more successful than mobile, as any sensible business would. I think it's impressive how much work they still do on Windows Mobile, too, given its ever declining market share and the rapid exodus of apps. It's a huge shame that developers never got properly behind Windows Phone, as I think it would have benefitted everyone if they had, as it is only we suffer.

    And yes, I completely believe that apps (quantity and quality) are the only reason I, as a fan, am considering other platform. The OS itself is excellent, not perfect but neither are others. However, I think there is a bias in the general public against Microsoft, they're viewed as uncool and boring. I genuinely think the Xbox wouldn't be as popular as it is if it was more obvious that Microsoft make it, which is desperately sad.
    Last edited by olivermills6; 04-04-2017 at 11:07 AM. Reason: Additional comments.
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    04-04-2017 11:01 AM
  12. celticmagick's Avatar
    I'm not a huge app person, the basics cover it for me with the exception of a couple of specialty apps. There are several factors at play here. The lack of apps keep your average user from taking a serious look at the platform. Also, the lack of current devices. This compounded with poor marketing and drive from Microsoft is hurting the mobile platform. The only hope right now is for more developers to develop using the Universal path to also include mobile - making an app for the desktop and tablet while including mobile as a bonus.

    I'm not a developer but it would seem worth a look into the idea of making the foundation of my app in the universal package and having the option to make it available for multiple platforms (including iOS and Android).
    04-04-2017 11:01 AM
  13. Brett Sites's Avatar
    I'm simply ready for a new phone. Why don't we have continuum capable phones and high end phones available on the largest carrier? Small ball isn't cutting it. Microsoft could have updated the 950 and 950XL and made it available on ALL carriers to buy time for the so-called "Surface Phone". Why aren't they filling the interim?
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-04-2017 11:02 AM
  14. Tim Speicher's Avatar
    I left WP for two reasons: the OS is way to slow. My 950 is slower than a 200$ Android. Opening apps or websites is just horrible. i.e. Whatsapp: Even when it was open a second before and I reopen it through the Taskmanager it takes some seconds. On Android it opens immediatly. The whole WP-OS is lethargic.
    The second reason is: I have sent my 950 5 times to Microsoft and they weren't able to repair it. The internet connection often doesn't work. Except when I connect it to external power. And they don't repair it. And I just gave up.
    And that's a shame, because WP is so much better designed than android. It's a beautiful system.
    04-04-2017 11:04 AM
  15. dorelse's Avatar
    Yes. I know whenever some new app, or cool product is out there, that that little app icon for my iPhone will always show up, and I'll be invited to the party. Movie tickets, Apple Pay, and every app under the sun is there. My new Yamaha receiver, iphone app...new projector, iphone app, credit union - apple pay, everything.

    Its a great change...love WM10, I do, but I got tired of swimming upstream. Much prefer the UI of WM10...
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    04-04-2017 11:04 AM
  16. dorelse's Avatar
    I left WP for two reasons: the OS is way to slow. My 950 is slower than a 200$ Android. Opening apps or websites is just horrible. i.e. Whatsapp: Even when it was open a second before and I reopen it through the Taskmanager it takes some seconds. On Android it opens immediatly. The whole WP-OS is lethargic.
    The second reason is: I have sent my 950 5 times to Microsoft and they weren't able to repair it. The internet connection often doesn't work. Except when I connect it to external power. And they don't repair it. And I just gave up.
    And that's a shame, because WP is so much better designed than android. It's a beautiful system.
    To be fair...Whatsapp/FB/Instagram are all Osmetta ported apps by Facebook, which is why they're so slow on start up...nothing MS can do about it.
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    04-04-2017 11:06 AM
  17. pedmar007's Avatar
    "MS isn't supporting the platform, I don't blame them, there's no point throwing good money after bad. They are doing the absolute bare minimum to stop it from becoming abandonware. The same can't be said of third parties who have pretty much left."

    How is it good after bad money when it's you who made it bad in the first place. If you have a kid struggling in private school which is good money wouldn't you hire a tutor to help the kid or would you allow that kid to struggle? Is that throwing good money after bad because your kid isn't learning at the same pace as the others?
    04-04-2017 11:07 AM
  18. ucyimDa_Ruler's Avatar
    In my perspective it is multiple things that **** me off on the platform:

    1. Microsoft releasing first party apps on other platforms first.
    2. Microsoft Garage not releasing apps for us.
    3. Bluetooth sucks. Absolutely horrible - doesn't connect to MySync in my truck. Both developed by Microsoft you'd think it'll pair without a hitch.
    4. ZERO communication from Microsoft. We were promised features for RS2. We've heard **** on what this update would do for us. Creators update brings a wealth of new features for Mobile that tally up to a big fat GOOSE EGG.
    5. We've been through 3 iterations of being told one thing and having to buy another phone because of "we've changed the stack". I feel another coming with this Dynamic Shell because most phone hardware won't support it.
    6. I own a 950 XL and the camera sucks. I've missed so many pictures because of focusing.
    7. Their auto-text predictions suck. I should have abandoned swype for regular typing months ago. It was terrible ever since WM10. WP8.1 was the best by far!
    8. Continnum isn't ready.
    9. UWP isn't ready.
    10. App crashes cause the OS to reboot. Opening up Groove usually restarts my phone one a week.

    I am not big on apps. I live my life outside of my phone so apps aren't a big deal. If they work great, but usually not the case for first part applications like Groove.

    I am a strong believer that the BS insider program ruined the platform. I've noticed things becoming crappier the moment an innovative company asked biased people to drive the development of what could have been an awesome experience. Xbox also suffers from this.
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    04-04-2017 11:08 AM
  19. Plaban Biswas's Avatar
    Well to be honest, it's not the app gap that bothers me(apps I require are already present) but the quality of the apps that bothers me.
    Take apps such as LinkedIn, Uber, Amazon, PayTM and many more.
    The UI, functionality etc are much better on Android than in Windows 10 mobile.
    Even Microsoft's OneNote app has an intuitive badge support in Android to take notes quickly but not in Windows (at least they can implement something like that in Action Center like the app Action Note).
    Another factor is the lack of Google apps.
    The company where I am doing my internship uses Google services such as slides, sheets etc and hangouts which are free of cost and are seamlessly integrated with Android.
    Even my college uses google services.
    When I open google drive from my phone, it says browser not supported.
    So these are the challenges which I have faced as a Windows Mobile user.
    Last edited by Plaban Biswas; 04-05-2017 at 04:07 AM.
    04-04-2017 11:12 AM
  20. shaunydub's Avatar
    Having been using WM of some description since my ipaq in 2002 I finally left last October.
    I loved the OS and the features, despite losing some of the "killer" features and exclusive features that were in WP7 thru WP8 but more and more apps left and everything MS do with app bridges and universal apps doesn't seem to entice developers to the platform.

    If they think people want to use bots and web pages instead of apps they are very mistaken, maybe in 10 years when bot technology can do everything an app can do but only after Apple invent it of course :(

    I moved to Huawei P9 and it's pretty good on a day to day basis although I miss my camera button a hell of a lot and think if Lumia camera tech was with the Leica lens / dual lens in the P9 it would be killer.

    Having had a Surface RT, Band 1 and a Band 2 and a HTC Titan, L920, L1520, L950XL, L520 I will be very cautious if MS decides to push Windows on phone type devices in the future or jumping on any future concepts as an early adopter.

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    04-04-2017 11:12 AM
  21. Patrick Satta's Avatar
    The lack of apps isn't the problem, but a symptom of a larger problem. The larger problem that is the cause of all others is the public's perception of Microsoft. There are many things (Win98, Me, Vista, IE, poor hardware) that have tarnished Microsoft's image, & consumers, as well as companies paint with a wide brush. Microsoft's tarnished image is both deserved & undeserved. There is a hard line anti-Microsoft bias that is out there, & that infects not only consumers, but people in tech companies as well. There are no apps because tech companies, & those in charge, are biased against Microsoft. Consumers don't buy the phones because they don't like Microsoft, it's not popular, & it has no apps. It's been an unending cycle that Microsoft has been unable to break.
    04-04-2017 11:14 AM
  22. ashram's Avatar
    For every single company that seems to be adding to the Windows Store, it feels like 10 others are leaving. This past year has been brutal. Favorite apps leaving, feature parity non-existant with Android/ios versions, app instability, the list goes on and on. It REALLY sucks, especially since I've been on a Windows device since the Samsung Blackjack. I have been able to make due, and use my work phone (a piece of crap iphone 6, god I hate it) for the missing apps (banking, etc)
    04-04-2017 11:19 AM
  23. ladydias's Avatar
    I love the OS and plan to stick with it but I do think the app gap is hard for other people to get around. I also think that MS should have kept promoting the mobile side of things along with the desktop. In order for UWP to succeed, it needs people and developers to see the benefits which means promoting the fact that the apps can be used across the ecosystem and mobile should have been front and center because most people use their phones constantly and, in many cases, it has replaced what they used their desktop for back in the day. It's not enough to promote just one section of the ecosystem and hope it will trickle down to phone but the messaging needs to be clear and consistent for everything else involved.

    Right now HoloLens is still out of reach for normal people (although that looks to be changing with the incoming mixed-reality partner devices) and not everyone wants or has an Xbox One so that leaves PC and Mobile as the most prominent vehicles to showcase the benefits of UWP and it feels like MS has been sitting on their butt about showing clearly where the perks of one OS and ecosystem are.

    And then there is the situation with the Samsung Galaxy MS Edition. If MS wants to promote it because they feel it will get people interested in the concept of a Continuum-like experience then that's fine. However, if they aren't pushing Windows Mobile every bit as hard as they do Samsung then I'm afraid it will send a clear message to developers that they have no confidence in their own platform and that it will be pointless to develop for it. Yes, PC is good but they need more to push their vision further and get more people on board.

    I have to agree with the sentiment that, while Satya Nadella has done a lot of things right, where he's gone with WM10 is a step backward. The features are there but the promotion of the platform just isn't and I'm not sure we can come back from where we are now, which is a shame.
    04-04-2017 11:20 AM
  24. Billferreira's Avatar
    I own a Huawei Mate 8 and a 950XL. I have always preferred the Windows Phone OS over Android. I don't know why that is, but for me it just works the way I like an OS to work.

    But I stopped using the 950XL about six months back, simply because the apps available on Android (and that I actually use) were not available on WP.

    And so it is that I have thrown in my lot with Android - not because of the OS, but because of app availability on the platform. And that's so sad for me, knowing that MS is really at the behest of app developers (or lack thereof).

    Is the situation ever likely to change? I really hope so, because every day I wish I could go back to my WP.

    I don't need a thousand versions of the same game or note taking app. I do need one good version of each serious app. Microsoft needs to get out there and fund their app store, it is chump change. If they expect business users to support their vision of Windows mobile, the non-business apps are required or folks will refuse to use the device. People are not going to carry two smartphones.
    04-04-2017 11:22 AM
  25. final_fantasy781's Avatar
    Ok yeah,I think the app-gap is one of the top reasons the platform isn't doing well.

    Others can be misinformation from opinion journalists, telling a bad story,or piece, about the platform that is incorrect. I remember last year a journalist would share a story once or every two weeks, saying, "Windows Mobile is die."

    Most people don't know it exists!

    With the app-gap, some users have stated that we will never get apps because of Xbox. Not because it's there, but if Nintendo or PlayStation/Sony is ever to release a new game on a mobile device, it will never come to Windows 10. Only due to competition.

    Mistaken identity - is that an Android device?
    It's never on TV. Plus the commercials aren't as memorable.
    There's an 64/32bit for pic, just use that. (Hearthstone)

    These are just most things I notice, not in any particular order.
    muvig likes this.
    04-04-2017 11:23 AM
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