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  1. agrum's Avatar
    Ask the CEO. Even himself is clueless answering this question.
    04-04-2017 10:21 PM
  2. mrpuny's Avatar
    I've been running hot and cold on Win10M for a while now. That's not really fair. I really like Windows "phone". Been using it from a Lumia 710 running WP7.5 to a Lumia 640 running production Win10M. Like some of the posters, I have both this Windows phone and an Android (Honor 5X). I had suffered through early builds of Win10M and then switched to Android last year. But I kept the 640 around and used it as a mini Tablet. A few months ago, I swapped my SIM back into my 640 and used it as a daily driver until just around the time that the "Microsoft Edition" S8 news started coming out.

    That news wasn't what made me switch my SIM back to my Android phone. It was an "app gap" thing. Not any sort of major app but a completely local app. In my city we have a local burger joint that's way awesome. They're operate out of an old ice cream stand sort of building and close up over winter and reopen in spring. They have an app which among other things implements their loyalty program; of course their app is Android and iOS only. Well, they reopened not long ago and it was time to switch.....

    So the app issue, for me is the biggest thing in one sense. I know some people still are having issues with Win10M, but on production with my 640, the basic phone functions I need day to day (calling, messaging, browser, other basic apps) work fine. But in a deeper issue, the problem is that Windows on phones isn't nearly popular enough to be considered for all the varied sorts of apps that someone might want or need.

    When it comes to desktops, Windows is the default. Chances are, if you need a commercial desktop class program, it's on Windows. It may also be on the Mac, and there may be programs on the Mac that aren't on Windows, but those two platforms are the biggest. Then you have the various #3 players over the years - Linux (GPL/Linux?) being top of that list, but never a serious player on the desktop though it has had success in other markets. (And the Linux kernel shows up in Android and various devices like Roku, Tivo, etc.)

    So you get to mobile, and Windows Phone. Sure, Microsoft had PocketPC PDAs and Windows Mobile 6.x and earlier phones, but if you take the modern touchscrenn smartphone era starting with the iPhone, the iPhone came out in June of 2007. Android launched commercially in Sept. 2008. WebOS launched in June 2009 and was acquired by HP in April 2010. Windows Phone 7 didn't launch until Nov. 2010. Think about his timeline. Microsoft didn't get it's touch centric mobile OS out for over 3 years after the iPhone, 2 years after Android, and over a year after WebOS launched and 6+ months after HP bought it. In mobile years, it was an eternity too late, and if it wasn't for being backed by Microsoft's war chest, would have been DOA.

    When you're that late, you need to be working harder, smarter, better, faster than everyone else to have even the slimmest chance to catch up and move ahead. And you've got to be prepared to "bleed". Or walk away. To be fair to Ballmer, he did "bleed" - threw money at the situation and got Nokia to commit (via Elop). But lets face it, he was also the captain of the ship and the buck stops with him as to why they were in such a dire situation in the first place. Then after Nokia HQ leveraged the situation and got Ballmer to buy the handset group, Nadella took over as CEO and apparently thought that even though Microsoft (via the Nokia acquisition) had nearly 100% of the Windows phone market, they could quickly walk away and let 3rd parties fill it in. And what do you know, that didn't work.

    Circling back to the S8 situation. What if Microsoft (understandably) wanted to get out of the hardware business, but recognizing that they needed to transition back to an arguably healthier (or at least more compatible with their desired business model) 3rd party hardware situation did something like the Google Nexus platform approach. Contract out with companies like Alcatel and HP to do handsets that Microsoft could sell under their Lumia brand. "Microsoft Lumia by Alcatel", "Microsoft Lumia by HP", etc. Help defray some of the cost/risk for these companies, while helping position them for eventually taking over the markets.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-04-2017 10:37 PM
  3. nasellok's Avatar
    I own a Huawei Mate 8 and a 950XL. I have always preferred the Windows Phone OS over Android. I don't know why that is, but for me it just works the way I like an OS to work.

    But I stopped using the 950XL about six months back, simply because the apps available on Android (and that I actually use) were not available on WP.

    And so it is that I have thrown in my lot with Android - not because of the OS, but because of app availability on the platform. And that's so sad for me, knowing that MS is really at the behest of app developers (or lack thereof).

    Is the situation ever likely to change? I really hope so, because every day I wish I could go back to my WP.

    Mart
    The fact that the Windowscentral app redirects me out of the app, and ro the browser ro post this says it all.......100%, no doubt. I've been a user for 3+ years, Lumia Icon, and Lumia 950......love the OS, and MS services, hate the app store. I would stay, 100% certainty if they worked to get Android apps working as they promised to do with Project Astoria. They banked on developers porting IOS code, it didn't work, now open it up, even Blackberry was able to do that. It would integrate perfectly with ARM Support, CShell, and win32 legacy......if you added .apk support, or just released a dual booting device, or a crazy virtual machine click of an app android launcher, there would be no reason to use anything else.

    Too bad its not happening, now I'm forced to use a GS8.....back to Android, hopefully it doesn't suck as bad as I remember.
    04-04-2017 11:15 PM
  4. hemanlive's Avatar
    I don't have anything else to add here. Except that I am still a windows phone user with no android phone. But am soon going to make the switch. From all the news coming through, I am afraid that will be a FINAL move, with no hope ofcoming back to windows mobile anytime in future.
    Unless MS releases the surface phone NOW. it truly turns out to tbe 'The Ultimate Mobile Device' and is still priced reasonable enough (read less than 600-650 USD). Otherwise, RIP windows on mobile.
    I own a Huawei Mate 8 and a 950XL. I have always preferred the Windows Phone OS over Android. I don't know why that is, but for me it just works the way I like an OS to work.

    But I stopped using the 950XL about six months back, simply because the apps available on Android (and that I actually use) were not available on WP.

    And so it is that I have thrown in my lot with Android - not because of the OS, but because of app availability on the platform. And that's so sad for me, knowing that MS is really at the behest of app developers (or lack thereof).

    Is the situation ever likely to change? I really hope so, because every day I wish I could go back to my WP.

    Mart
    04-04-2017 11:16 PM
  5. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Just thought of something. I was trying to deposit a check from my Elite X3. I kept getting "unable to process try again later" messages.

    In frustration, I turned on my SGS5, waited for all the notifications, launched the banking app and deposited the check.

    What we have here is a failure to communicate.

    Sent from mTalk
    04-04-2017 11:41 PM
  6. xkimo's Avatar
    I am thinking about leaving because the apps I want are not available and some of the ones I have are being discontinued. I am currently using a 950xl. I am testing android phones to see how hard it would be to leave MS and it is seeming pretty easy with all the apps I've been using over there that are not available on the Windows Mobile 950xl.
    04-05-2017 12:03 AM
  7. mayconvert's Avatar
    I don't need a thousand versions of the same game or note taking app. I do need one good version of each serious app. Microsoft needs to get out there and fund their app store, it is chump change. If they expect business users to support their vision of Windows mobile, the non-business apps are required or folks will refuse to use the device. People are not going to carry two smartphones.
    I get what you mean, no one needs 1000 note apps, but it's nice being able to go thru note apps until you find that One that does exactly what YOU want in a note app.
    No one is going to install 5 different note apps on one phone. But with CHOICES, people can find the Note app they Really want and like. THAT is why there are 1000 note apps to chose from. Choice, not just a take or leave it 2 app option.
    I love One Note, on iOS and OSX (and android), hate it on WP. It's slow and pretty much terrible.
    I wish someone would take the Native Windows Phone Calendar and make it for iOS/Android. I LOOOOVE the MS native calendar app on WP.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-05-2017 12:27 AM
  8. nmrajarajan's Avatar
    It is. Period.
    04-05-2017 02:59 AM
  9. In Fla's Avatar
    It is not a lack of apps, it is because it is a slow, unreliable system that never gets fixed.
    04-05-2017 06:09 AM
  10. pbp_57's Avatar
    yes, it is. Just before week I switched to android because my work related apps, banking, stock market app etc. are not in Windows store which I need all the time and looks like they will not develop for Windows Phone. Other thing is some usable basic app are there but developer are not improving them now.
    and its irritating to keep two phone, one Windows and other android or iOS.
    04-05-2017 06:22 AM
  11. msilver72's Avatar
    It's not just the lack of apps, but the ones that are out there are non-updated versions that seem to have been forgotten about.
    Also, on Verizon, it's a complete lack of a decent phone! How can you expect a phone OS to survive when you can even get a phone on your carrier that runs it! My Icon is still holding up, but the battery isn't. Frustrating.
    04-05-2017 07:01 AM
  12. aximtreo's Avatar
    My list of 5 reasons that WM is not as successful as it could be.

    1. MS
    2. MS
    3. MS
    4. MS
    5. Apps

    Thought long and hard and this is my definitive list of problems in the MS Mobile world.
    04-05-2017 07:05 AM
  13. captblaze's Avatar
    It's not just the lack of apps, but the ones that are out there are non-updated versions that seem to have been forgotten about.
    Also, on Verizon, it's a complete lack of a decent phone! How can you expect a phone OS to survive when you can even get a phone on your carrier that runs it! My Icon is still holding up, but the battery isn't. Frustrating.
    you have summed up my issue perfectly and until Verizon and Microsoft can play well together I don't see it changing. In fact, I see no reason to keep my Microsoft services either.
    04-05-2017 07:09 AM
  14. Scott McBurney's Avatar
    1. App gap - we all know it is a problem. More for some people that others. For me, pretty much not a problem, but for most people it is a sizable problem.

    2. Bigger problem - Lack of phones/hardware!!! It is hard to find Windows Phones at carriers now. The bread and butter that was the bulk of sales was low end and mid range phones around the world. Nokia was making a killing on those. Now, you are lucky if your carrier has one mid range phone to offer. HP has the high end x3, but it only works on some carriers in the US, but not Verizon - which a large number of large businesses use. A lot of businesses would be interested in a mid-range phone too.

    3. Big problem - marketing! Even when there were a lot of windows phones on the market, there wasn't enough marketing being done by both the manufacturers and Microsoft. Advertising is a big part of getting people to buy your product, and right now (and for a long time) Microsoft is doing NOTHING for phones.


    If Microsoft could address all of these issues at the same time, even in some small ways, it could mean a change in direction for the platform. Bring out a new low end and mid range phone, an bring back the 950/xl (giving people a choice). Make sure the phones can support Verizon and Sprint. Address the app gap by working with the top 4 to 8 apps that people actually want and get them on the platform as universal apps, and people could even use them on their desktops. And so some marketing to let the world know about all of this.

    One change is not going to reverse the course of the platform, but a multi-faceted approach can do it, Microsoft just has to put the effort into it.
    04-05-2017 07:49 AM
  15. kapil Matta's Avatar
    If MS could still make some decent w10m phones, affordable ones with continuum, it would still succeed.

    Or at least, until continuum can be affordable, stay in the business, bring out Lumia 740, 750, etc.






    I own a Huawei Mate 8 and a 950XL. I have always preferred the Windows Phone OS over Android. I don't know why that is, but for me it just works the way I like an OS to work.

    But I stopped using the 950XL about six months back, simply because the apps available on Android (and that I actually use) were not available on WP.

    And so it is that I have thrown in my lot with Android - not because of the OS, but because of app availability on the platform. And that's so sad for me, knowing that MS is really at the behest of app developers (or lack thereof).

    Is the situation ever likely to change? I really hope so, because every day I wish I could go back to my WP.

    Mart
    04-05-2017 08:39 AM
  16. korben44's Avatar
    Yes, the app gap is the largest problem. But that problem was a result of a lack of marketing by MS. As far as functionality goes, W10M is just as good as Android and iOS.
    04-05-2017 08:46 AM
  17. Keith Vukasinovich's Avatar
    Hell yeah its a problem. Apps make the phone very convenient for a wide range of things. If Microsoft isn't going to get serious about developing a robust range of apps for Windows 10 mobile platform, then shut the damn thing down already. I am in the same boat as many of the other folks who have commented. Did I give a Win10 mobile phone a try? sure did? I ditched it and went back to an iPhone. Both iOS and Android have ran circles around Window in the Mobile area. It's ridiculous. Kill Windows 10 Mobile and bury it already. Give us real Windows 10 experience on a phablet with the active stylus already and quit wasting time on a platform thats DOA. Hell the Dell Venue 8 still sells. You know why? Because if you slap a sim card in it and use Skype its pretty much the Windows Phablet everyone wants. Dells is moving so many of these damn things then even updated it to USB C. Whoever is doing market research for Microsoft with regards to the mobile enterprise marketplace should be fired immediately.
    04-05-2017 08:58 AM
  18. ienfik's Avatar
    I own a Huawei Mate 8 and a 950XL. I have always preferred the Windows Phone OS over Android. I don't know why that is, but for me it just works the way I like an OS to work.

    But I stopped using the 950XL about six months back, simply because the apps available on Android (and that I actually use) were not available on WP.

    And so it is that I have thrown in my lot with Android - not because of the OS, but because of app availability on the platform. And that's so sad for me, knowing that MS is really at the behest of app developers (or lack thereof).

    Is the situation ever likely to change? I really hope so, because every day I wish I could go back to my WP.

    Mart
    Hi,

    I'm sorry to write that but in my opinion it's worst at the moment
    No Ebay, PayPal, Viber pulled out people from developing Viber for W10M, BBC removed their app yesterday
    If you enter to official MS store you can see only 2 devices to buy...

    There is no reason to develop apps for W10M

    Cheers
    T
    04-05-2017 08:59 AM
  19. Mike K8's Avatar
    Lack of support all across the board. Yes, lack of apps is apart of it, but it goes a lot deeper than just apps. It really is too bad, because MS has the ability to be a dominant force in the mobile market but their lack of commitment has led to an underwhelming experience compared to what people can and do get from Android and iOS. I'll never go back to Win mobile in it's current state. Android has come a long way since I first tried and hated it almost 10 years ago and for me it is a much better experience today than that of Win Mobile.
    04-05-2017 09:02 AM
  20. anton267's Avatar
    Well, here's an honest opinion from an old Android + iPhone user:


    • I think I prefer Microsoft's live tiles for all the basic information they can offer at a glance. Widgets on other platforms never ever reached Microsoft's usability and consistent experience.



    • However, when swiping right to get to the full list of apps, the usability is ridiculous and there is no alternative, like Android's launchers. Almost impossible to navigate if you are a 50+ app user.



    • And of course there's the app gap. Microsoft has done a decent job to cover the basics (office productivity, maps, photography etc). But so many premium apps are missing. All the core travel, banking , e-shopping, smart home and utility apps are missing. In my country I cannot park on a street with a windows phone (City apps support only Android & iPhone). I cannot pay with my mobile (banks support tap and pay only in Android & iPhone). I cannot use the Metro or buses (e-tickets only on Android and iPhones). I cannot watch IPTV on the move (telcos provide OTT clients only for Android & iPhone). And anything new, chances are it will support Android & iPhone. Windows users will be left out completely, or get too little too late. Take for example all the fresh functionality of facebook (live and 360 photos), snapchat, amazon's alexa & kindle, etc. Windows users always left behind, missing all the fun. So yes, I feel lack of apps and limited functionality is the real problem.
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    04-05-2017 09:05 AM
  21. Great Bear's Avatar
    Personally, I currently use iOS after switching from Windows 10 Mobile a few months ago, and I have to say that the two reasons why I switched have been fixed. The first was the app gap, which I didn't mind that much since I could just use the web client for most apps anyway (the exception, of course, was Snapchat, which as my friends use it often, I was sorely missing). When I was using Windows 10 Mobile, if I saw anyone talking about an app, I would usually just ignore it, since the chances of it being available on my phone were very slim. On iOS, I might give an app a download, toy around with it for a while, and then either uninstall or keep using it frequently. it really does make a large difference.

    The other reason I left Windows 10 Mobile was the performance, which again, isn't a big issue on iOS. I've lived with Windows Phones for a while, but the fact is that Windows 10 Mobile is not very polished. Apps crash frequently, response times are slow, and there don't seem to be many fixes coming. While there are bugs on iOS, they aren't as widespread and don't affect me as frequently.

    That's not to say that I don't like Windows 10 Mobile - I do. The universal apps, the UI... the concept is certainly good, and has always been. But I don't suspect I'll ever come back to Windows 10 Mobile; instead, I'll be using a mobile PC running full Windows 10 on ARM, where I'll have better performance and more apps to choose from (since PCs running of ARM will be able to download all of the many, many, Win32 apps available. But for now, I'm on iOS, and it's partially because of the app gap.
    04-05-2017 09:36 AM
  22. jasnils's Avatar
    Nope. Not a problem at all! I need it to take calls, write emails, send messages, browse the web, listen to music on Spotify. The only problem is that I can't get hold of a device. Hence, since I dropped it on its head I had to go buy another device. Chose a cheap one Huawei P9 with a watch totaling $400,-

    That device has no problems, except gravity once again took hold. Luckily Huawei keeps producing.

    Miss the OS, miss the Lumia 930. Love Surface Pro 4! Use the apps besides the web browser, email client, messenger, spotify, and Netflix just about 1% of the time on the device.
    04-05-2017 09:41 AM
  23. Steven Jepson's Avatar
    I agree that a lack of apps is a problem, but to the community outside of WP users.

    Most people whom I have showed my 950XL to ("You have a WINDOWS PHONE? How does that even work??") have been very impressed with the OS. Simply put, it does things that iOS and Android doesn't do. That's one of the reasons why those of us who still use them hang on to them.

    That being said, WP will probably move away from regular consumers and become more of a business tool - productivity is the rule of the day, and WP will become very interconnected into the W10 OS. Those people who just need things like Word, Excel, Outlook, and Cortana will probably migrate over to Android since they're making an effort to appease those users.

    I wish it had more apps, especially banking and airlines. But I'll hang on to my 950XL.
    04-05-2017 09:42 AM
  24. pallentx's Avatar
    Its the app gap and nothing but the app gap.
    If WP had all the apps you have on Android and iOS, we wouldn't be having this conversation. There would be millions more users and MS would still be making phones as well as Samsung, LG and others.

    All this talk about MS doesn't care is nonsense. MS simply realized all their efforts weren't moving the needle. Windows Phone never really got off the ground. I loved it. I still think its the best OS available for a phone, but the were never able to get developers on board. Never. The apps the got was the result of paying or building them for others. They flushed billions and couldn't break 3-4% because developers ignored the platform.

    As for me, its the reason I'll most likely be moving on later this year. They dropped the Band2, so I bought a Garmin watch. There's an app, but music controls don't work, notifications pretty much never work, weather doesn't work and half the time it wont sync. I have some Insteon home automation, but some of their solutions don't work with the Windows app and they've dropped Cortana support. I have a nest thermostat - no app, but the mobile website works ok, its just slow. My Asus router has a mobile app, but not for windows.

    Maybe there's a future where apps don't matter, I would love to see that. Maybe there's a future where MS reinvents mobile and developers flock to it and its a big success. I'll be the first to come running back.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-05-2017 10:00 AM
  25. pallentx's Avatar
    ...instead, I'll be using a mobile PC running full Windows 10 on ARM, where I'll have better performance and more apps to choose from (since PCs running of ARM will be able to download all of the many, many, Win32 apps available. But for now, I'm on iOS, and it's partially because of the app gap.
    That's not going to save Windows mobile. Yes, you will be able to run Photoshop on your phone (good luck with that), but you still wont have Snapchat.
    xandros9 likes this.
    04-05-2017 10:03 AM
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