04-19-2017 12:24 PM
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  1. Faisal Islam2's Avatar
    Again Microsoft disappoint its fans! Microsoft will not rollout creator update for all Lumia devices! So another time Microsoft slap its fan & telling them just move on from windows phone buy an android or iPhone!
    04-05-2017 02:08 PM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    Idk this is in line with what they have been telling us :) The 950/XL are phones that will probably get full support moving on, but RS3 or maybe 4 (if there is a 4) might also change that.

    They're clearly moving away from the whole windows mobile image :/

    Sad for the 930's though. While it might not be able to handle every upcoming w10 feature, I still considered it a solid phone
    04-05-2017 07:24 PM
  3. Faisal Islam2's Avatar
    So basically all windows 10 updated Lumia phones are outdated now
    Originally posted by ven07
    Idk this is in line with what they have been telling us :) The 950/XL are phones that will probably get full support moving on, but RS3 or maybe 4 (if there is a 4) might also change that.

    They're clearly moving away from the whole windows mobile image :/

    Sad for the 930's though. While it might not be able to handle every upcoming w10 feature, I still considered it a solid phone
    04-05-2017 09:24 PM
  4. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    OR the devices with outdated hardware that could cause issues with said devices don't get the update because it's the smart thing to do. Why the hell do they care about phones that can't handle the features they are clearly driving forward with their mobile vision(there is one, it's clear. Stop being bitter). MS doesn't owe you guys something just because you bought a phone from them. If your device doesn't support Continuum, it's old. Deal.
    04-05-2017 11:38 PM
  5. Faisal Islam2's Avatar
    Who cares continum ?
    Originally posted by Allen Rhodes
    OR the devices with outdated hardware that could cause issues with said devices don't get the update because it's the smart thing to do. Why the hell do they care about phones that can't handle the features they are clearly driving forward with their mobile vision(there is one, it's clear. Stop being bitter). MS doesn't owe you guys something just because you bought a phone from them. If your device doesn't support Continuum, it's old. Deal.
    04-06-2017 12:59 AM
  6. neo158's Avatar
    I've said the following in another thread:

    I'm not bitter about my Lumia 930 not officially getting the Creators Update, I knew the time would come when support would be dropped. I'm just frustrated that the upgrade path is either lower end devices, high end devices dogged by reliability issues or the device is so damn expensive that I can't justify getting one. I'll continue using my 930 until the 25th and then I'll be using my Nexus 5X full time, not something I want to do but I'm out of options for W10M.
    04-06-2017 06:24 AM
  7. Jonathanmr7's Avatar
    I've said the following in another thread:

    I'm not bitter about my Lumia 930 not officially getting the Creators Update, I knew the time would come when support would be dropped. I'm just frustrated that the upgrade path is either lower end devices, high end devices dogged by reliability issues or the device is so damn expensive that I can't justify getting one. I'll continue using my 930 until the 25th and then I'll be using my Nexus 5X full time, not something I want to do but I'm out of options for W10M.
    U can help with the cerulean momento :)
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    04-06-2017 05:41 PM
  8. Krystianpants's Avatar
    The real fans bought the 950/950xls. They are just abandoning people that only got on board because of Nokia and want to hold on to their Nokia phones. No one is left doing the firmware updates for these phones, the company is gone therefore the company won't support them.
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    04-06-2017 06:13 PM
  9. Nate Silver's Avatar
    Its pretty discouraging, I've got to admit. Guess I should be able to take a hint. I use an Icon because its the highest-end (and other than the 735) only WM option available to me in Verizon country. There is no GSM coverage in my area. My phone is dead-ended, and I have no upgrade path. Beginning to honestly believe that Microsoft just wants windows mobile to go away. If there were a path forward, I'd take it - because I so like the platform. For years now I've dreamed of a windows phone flagship, but yeah, I guess I can take a hint.
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    04-06-2017 06:28 PM
  10. mtf1380's Avatar
    Its pretty discouraging, I've got to admit. Guess I should be able to take a hint. I use an Icon because its the highest-end (and other than the 735) only WM option available to me in Verizon country. There is no GSM coverage in my area. My phone is dead-ended, and I have no upgrade path. Beginning to honestly believe that Microsoft just wants windows mobile to go away. If there were a path forward, I'd take it - because I so like the platform. For years now I've dreamed of a windows phone flagship, but yeah, I guess I can take a hint.
    might be a "great time" to get your hands on a 950/950XL, I understand they are sell pretty cheap in areas?
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    04-06-2017 07:12 PM
  11. libra89's Avatar
    might be a "great time" to get your hands on a 950/950XL, I understand they are sell pretty cheap in areas?
    Good suggestion but unfortunately they would be buying a paper weight since it doesn't work on Verizon.

    Sent from mTalk
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    04-06-2017 10:53 PM
  12. techiez's Avatar
    The real fans bought the 950/950xls. They are just abandoning people that only got on board because of Nokia and want to hold on to their Nokia phones. No one is left doing the firmware updates for these phones, the company is gone therefore the company won't support them.
    What a lame comment, most ppl bought 950/950XL when they just literally gave away those devices for pennies, but these devices had limited availability on other countries(NON US), India and China were biggest markets after US, these devices were mostly out of stock or marked with skyrocket prices, so while MS was giving away 950 free with 950XL at an incredible price in US, 950 was out of stock in India while 950XL was more costlier than iphone 7/galaxy s7 edge.
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    04-06-2017 11:35 PM
  13. RJ Priest's Avatar
    I'd much rather prefer that Microsoft stop teasing us with features and innovation (which may or may not be delivered) and simply unveil a product when it is immediately available for launch.

    - Mouse and keyboard on Xbox one
    - Office on Xbox (not that we need it, but why tease it and have it never show up).
    - 3D scanning app
    - Groove music maker
    - All the other dropped features from Creator's update, etc.

    Why tip your had to the competition / disappoint consumers time after time?
    04-06-2017 11:36 PM
  14. neo158's Avatar
    The real fans bought the 950/950xls. They are just abandoning people that only got on board because of Nokia and want to hold on to their Nokia phones. No one is left doing the firmware updates for these phones, the company is gone therefore the company won't support them.
    How dare you tell me I'm not a real fan, I was on board with the original release of WP7. The 950/950XL is not a reliable device as evidenced by people having 5+ devices and still having issues.
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    04-07-2017 03:14 AM
  15. mtf1380's Avatar
    Good suggestion but unfortunately they would be buying a paper weight since it doesn't work on Verizon.

    Sent from mTalk
    duh!

    You're right libra89, my bad. Sorry @Nate Silver, for the bad advice.
    04-07-2017 07:26 AM
  16. ven07's Avatar
    Like Neo158 said.. we should've seen this coming. All the 'old' devices were going to lose support at some point. MS's trackrecord speaks for itself in this case :p
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    04-07-2017 08:20 AM
  17. Faisal Islam2's Avatar
    Time to dump your windows phone/ mobile ! Microsoft never value their fans
    04-07-2017 08:48 AM
  18. Krystianpants's Avatar
    How dare you tell me I'm not a real fan, I was on board with the original release of WP7. The 950/950XL is not a reliable device as evidenced by people having 5+ devices and still having issues.
    But you wouldn't know it's not reliable till you got them.
    And they weren't for the first year. But the fans jumped on them right away. Those are the people MS cares about. The people who always want the latest and greatest from them. Just like those who get the newest iphones every year.

    And those complaining about Verizon you need to try other carriers like AT&T. I don't live there so don't know about reliability and such but I have a choice of many carriers here. Verizon doesn't like to play nice. There are even reports of them testing malware that they would pre-install. Pretty crazy.
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    04-07-2017 08:50 AM
  19. neo158's Avatar
    But you wouldn't know it's not reliable till you got them.
    And they weren't for the first year. But the fans jumped on them right away. Those are the people MS cares about. The people who always want the latest and greatest from them. Just like those who get the newest iphones every year.

    And those complaining about Verizon you need to try other carriers like AT&T. I don't live there so don't know about reliability and such but I have a choice of many carriers here. Verizon doesn't like to play nice. There are even reports of them testing malware that they would pre-install. Pretty crazy.
    So you're only a real fan if you buy a horribly broken phone at launch? Well done for insulting the entire community with one comment!!!!!!
    04-07-2017 09:38 AM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    So you're only a real fan if you buy a horribly broken phone at launch? Well done for insulting the entire community with one comment!!!!!!
    Yah that's how MS sees it, like it or not. You sticking around with some old phone instead of getting the latest phone that they reveal means you're not worth it. This phone was the most powerful at the time, had this cool continuum feature and this is the first time they revealed a flagship in YEARS. You still didn't buy it. You had no idea whether the phone was going to have issues or not, you just didn't buy it. The issues were being brought up slowly over time, especially as newer builds came in. But you never knew this at launch and you didn't support them. To them it looked like there was no market for phones even with their hardcore audience. And they started pulling back and getting rid of stock with ridiculous price cuts.

    I'm not saying you're a fan or not on my own volition. I'm telling you what it looks like to MS. To MS it looked like it was just a Nokia crowd that didn't care for MS products but wanted to keep that Nokia nostalgia.

    My 950XL is great. It took them a year to get it right no doubt. Surface Book had a lot of growing pains too, but it sold like crazy, because there was demand.

    There is no demand for windows phone, just accept that. It is dead. I always had some hope but man I realize that it's impossible. Windows mobile will be erased by windows 10 on arm. And a consumer hololens is the only thing that can make UWP really take off if any future mobile devices have any chance of having an app ecosystem.
    04-07-2017 10:09 AM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    Windows mobile will be erased by windows 10 on arm.
    Wrong... Wrong... Wrong.

    W10M will NOT be "erased" by W10oA.

    Why not? Because W10oA comes with all the same issues W10 has:

    W10 and W10oA require continual maintenance and administration. For "non geeks" it's far too easy to screw something up and nobody likes being dependent on others to get their computing devices fixed. Consumers have no certainty that uninstalling software actually deletes all of it. It's impossible for MS to protect Win32 users from themselves. Win32 software neither knows nor cares about the restrictions typically placed on low power mobile devices... and it never will care (Win32 software is a power hog). Malware abounds... etc. Basically, everything that has given Windows a poor reputation.

    W10M exists to remedy all those problems. W10oA remedies none of them! These are two completely different beasts. They technically overlap in only two ways: both run on ARM chips and they both run UWP apps. That's all. That's a pathetic amount of overlap for anything hoping to "erase" something else.

    W10oA exists to solve one or more of these (completely unrelated) problems:

    a) To reduce the price of portable Windows computers
    b) To bring mobile SoC features to Windows computers
    c) To popularize the UWP

    It is true that W10oA will likely replace W10M on MS' mobile devices (at least for now). However, "replace" does not mean "erase". W10M will continue to be developed for quite some time yet.

    If UWP ever becomes successfull (big "if"... I know), then W10M will make perfect sense again.
    Last edited by a5cent; 04-07-2017 at 12:44 PM. Reason: formatting
    04-07-2017 11:59 AM
  22. mtf1380's Avatar
    Yah that's how MS sees it, like it or not. You sticking around with some old phone instead of getting the latest phone that they reveal means you're not worth it. This phone was the most powerful at the time, had this cool continuum feature and this is the first time they revealed a flagship in YEARS. You still didn't buy it. You had no idea whether the phone was going to have issues or not, you just didn't buy it. The issues were being brought up slowly over time, especially as newer builds came in. But you never knew this at launch and you didn't support them. To them it looked like there was no market for phones even with their hardcore audience. And they started pulling back and getting rid of stock with ridiculous price cuts.

    I'm not saying you're a fan or not on my own volition. I'm telling you what it looks like to MS. To MS it looked like it was just a Nokia crowd that didn't care for MS products but wanted to keep that Nokia nostalgia.

    My 950XL is great. It took them a year to get it right no doubt. Surface Book had a lot of growing pains too, but it sold like crazy, because there was demand.

    There is no demand for windows phone, just accept that. It is dead. I always had some hope but man I realize that it's impossible. Windows mobile will be erased by windows 10 on arm. And a consumer hololens is the only thing that can make UWP really take off if any future mobile devices have any chance of having an app ecosystem.
    Well Krystianpants, this is the first time that I can remember that I have disagreed with you, but regarding the above there are areas of disagreement I do feel.

    I had waited for 1 1/2 years to find a significant reason to upgrade my L920 (which I had paid $850 for), I passed on a number of perfect contenders, and was pleased at the prospect of a 950/950XL with Windows 10 being released, I started following the news/rumor/spec releases in anticipation of its availability, I even watched the Microsoft Oct 6th, I was so excited. I must say that after watching Panos Panay's lack of enthusiasm regarding the 950/950XL (like he didn't want his name tied to it), gave me reservations. As a matter of fact at that point, I would have normally waited to have a look-see, but because I was soooo sick of my 920, I was one of the first to order. I will say, I think it is fool, or the brave, that buys a pig-in-a-poke (I consider myself the prior), but because I was so damn pleased with all aspect of the 920, I disobeyed my instincts and jumped in, if I had been smart, I would have let the brave lead the way, but of course I did not. I am very happy (now) with the 950XL (I wish I had pay a lesser amount than want I did), but if my 950XL went out today, I'd buy another...period. But I can empathize with those that may not wish to be the guinea pigs, and buy what they needed. I bought the 950XL because I wanted the camera, or I may have bought something less equipped.

    Please understand, I mean no disrespect, just another POV...Cheers!

    Mike
    04-07-2017 12:14 PM
  23. etphoto's Avatar
    735 Verizon user here and I went back on the insider program today and installed the creator's update using the slow ring. Seems to be working fine (so far).

    I remember doing this with my HTC M8 when it wasn't going to be updated to Windows 10 and it worked for a while. The updates stopped coming though after a while and I fear the same thing will be happening with my 735.



    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    04-07-2017 03:26 PM
  24. Nate Silver's Avatar
    duh!

    You're right libra89, my bad. Sorry @Nate Silver, for the bad advice.
    Not a problem, man. Few wireless choices is the price I pay for living in the woods. Must be really bad blood between MS and Verizon for them to be willing to shut out quite a chunk of potential customers.
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    04-07-2017 06:21 PM
  25. ven07's Avatar
    Imma take Krystian's side on this one.

    If more people upgraded to the 950/XL instead of holding on to whatever they have now it would probably be better. Especially if you're looking for a phone that MS actually wants (seemingly) to release updates for.

    But this does make me a hypocrite :p I have the 640 and I'm not planning to upgrade (unless I can get the 950 for less than 200 lol) until MS provides a decent picture and tangible proof of the future
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    04-07-2017 11:14 PM
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