05-03-2017 05:09 AM
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  1. Sean D.'s Avatar
    As usual; Microsoft releases something cool, everyone spreads FUD about Microsoft.
    As usual; A "competitor" releases a new device, everyone spreads FUD about Microsoft.
    As usual; Either of the ablve happens, everyone runs to [insert website here] to speak recklessly about a bunch of **** they have no clues about.

    Nothing new to see here, move along
    04-12-2017 05:21 PM
  2. SmokeyBacon's Avatar
    Seems like a lot of news got dumped this week on the W10 Mobile front. Most of it ambiguous, some of it a let down.

    How is everyone feeling about this? We've got the Galaxy S8 Microsoft Edition, an announcment that most Windows Phones have been axed from future updates (normally this is routine news but with it's 2-year update cycle that is a lot of now axed models), and even Windows Central seems to be a bit on edge with the UWP article (which was extremely well written IMO).

    Do you think this is a sign of things to come? Is MS just wiping the slate clean before they take their next mobile step? What the heck has this week made you feel in regards to W10 Mobile and how MS is handling it?
    I am about ready to give up on WP - but I really really cannot stand the look of either Android or iPhone - they just remind me of the stuff I had pre-WP, like my old blackjack screen. I wish there were a way to have the best of both worlds - WP metro interface but on an Android or iPhone. I hate both of those so so so so so much. I am in the process of looking at new phones because my current WP is a joke (if I try to run edge it crashes and reboots but if I reinstall everything I lose apps that aren't in the store anymore but are still working and that I use all the time) but the other options make me so angry when I look at them. I wish Microsoft had shown some interest in the platform because it really is the superior option, except that with no one willing to create apps (at least apps that everyone else in the world uses) and with so many pulling out it is getting to a point there is not much of an option other than going with a different platform. And that is just sad.
    04-12-2017 05:22 PM
  3. jason hogan1's Avatar
    I am about ready to give up on WP - but I really really cannot stand the look of either Android or iPhone - they just remind me of the stuff I had pre-WP, like my old blackjack screen. I wish there were a way to have the best of both worlds - WP metro interface but on an Android or iPhone. I hate both of those so so so so so much. I am in the process of looking at new phones because my current WP is a joke (if I try to run edge it crashes and reboots but if I reinstall everything I lose apps that aren't in the store anymore but are still working and that I use all the time) but the other options make me so angry when I look at them. I wish Microsoft had shown some interest in the platform because it really is the superior option, except that with no one willing to create apps (at least apps that everyone else in the world uses) and with so many pulling out it is getting to a point there is not much of an option other than going with a different platform. And that is just sad.
    Same here. You're not alone.
    04-12-2017 05:37 PM
  4. sd4f's Avatar
    I bought a lumia 950 on ebay. It hasn't arrived yet, and I think I'm already regretting this decision.
    04-12-2017 06:51 PM
  5. Luis Carlos Ruiz Paternina's Avatar
    I purchased a Lumia 650 recently leaving Android and I can say that...
    Windows 10 Mobile is beautiful, elegant, gorgeous... but. Performance is a pain in the ***. This is a Beta product at the best. Windows Phone 8.1 was way way way more fluid and usable. Apps gap is not an issue, we have what we need but the OS itself is unbearable now. Memory management is awful. We live with apps resuming all the time (even when it's the only app running in the background).

    I am now buying a Oneplus 3T. Yes, I am going back to android eventhought it was not in my plans... Microsoft forced me to do it with their stupid decision.

    Two questions...

    Who the hell is the head of software development for Windows 10 Mobile?
    Who the hell is the quality assurance for Windows Mobile 10?

    They should be ashamed!!!
    bing722 likes this.
    04-12-2017 07:00 PM
  6. dav75's Avatar
    With New York Police (I think they picked it) and some Police in Germany using WinPhones, I don't think Microsoft will stop the WinPhone Platform just yet, not unless they wish to refund a few million dollars to the police.
    Toby 335 likes this.
    04-12-2017 07:02 PM
  7. V_S's Avatar
    Don't cuz it's amazing. I have an iPhone 7 I still to this day keep going to my Lumia 950 every day. I switch sim cards like a crazy person because I love windows and then I hit a caveat and jump on iPhone cuz my friends are hating on me. Then I switch again. It is comical at times but I don't really care about the dump I message. Microsoft messages already supports rich coming action. We just need GiF's integration and we are ready.
    04-12-2017 07:37 PM
  8. d1stort1on's Avatar
    Don't cuz it's amazing. I have an iPhone 7 I still to this day keep going to my Lumia 950 every day. I switch sim cards like a crazy person because I love windows and then I hit a caveat and jump on iPhone cuz my friends are hating on me. Then I switch again. It is comical at times but I don't really care about the dump I message. Microsoft messages already supports rich coming action. We just need GiF's integration and we are ready.
    LOL, I was doing the constant sim switch too awhile back. Finally decided to switch back to iPhone for good, got an iPhone 7 to replace my semi-broken 6. I STILL keep pulling my Lumia out and playing with it (on wifi), thinking about going back. I just miss the overall experience and integration with my Surface. BUT, the app gap still makes a big difference.

    Gotta say, I switched from Mac with the big promise of UWP and with the lack of WP, UWP seems pointless.
    04-12-2017 08:02 PM
  9. Lych's Avatar
    Gotta say, I switched from Mac with the big promise of UWP and with the lack of WP, UWP seems pointless.
    You get this, heck, we all get this. Somehow though, MS doesn't seem to.

    The Galaxy S8 MS Edition was a really low blow. Not because the hardware is bad. Heck, I would argue that the only real shortcoming that phone has right now is Android itself, but that's a different matter. Still, MS could have at least told us something, anything, before going nuclear on user confidence again.
    04-12-2017 08:23 PM
  10. Slow Loris's Avatar
    This is just sad. Very sad. We had so much more we wanted to do with our W10M phones before the end.

    04-12-2017 08:27 PM
  11. pjhenry1216's Avatar
    I'd love to stick with Windows Phone, but part of me thinks they're letting Windows 10 Mobile as it is today die out before introducing something new. I feel like they're trying to avoid kicking everyone to the curb like they did with the Windows 7 to 8 transition. So instead of kicking folks to the curb, they're just letting the car run out of gas so we gotta get out and start walking on our own.

    I'll say this much, if it ends up that Samsung DeX is compatible in anyway with Continuum docks (like the HP Lapdock & Deskdock, or MS's Continuum dock), that will make it a very tempting offer.
    Toby 335 likes this.
    04-12-2017 08:48 PM
  12. PF Mail's Avatar
    I am one with WP; WP is with me; I am one with WP; WP is with me;...
    It sounds like that you need a hard rest...
    04-12-2017 09:01 PM
  13. adorabledc's Avatar
    WM10 is DEAD IN THE WATER - a sunk ship that the sharks above (Android and Apple) don't even care about as a threat to their market share and profits.

    eg. I was using the Lumia 640 for a year to beta test it. Hardware had so much potential for the price point.

    But, update after update, even simple things like the camera went from great quality and speed to so-so and sometimes crashed (huh? Just how much re-coding is going on behind the scenes of a simple camera app to make it crash??) Edge couldn't handle some sites correctly, like Wikipedia, when the fonts were set to 125%+ under accessibility, even after months and months of waiting after reporting the issue. Groove couldn't come up with a Folders view despite asking time and time again.

    All Microsoft seemed to do was to either put in more useless features - like epub reading mode in Edge when epub apps were already in the store - change icons in the settings just to change and add icons - and ignore really simple things.

    Like if I only have internet on my phone, and try to setup my phone with my microsoft account, it now wants to send a two-factor to my microsoft email. BUT, I can't access Edge to get online to check and verify, because it won't let me pass, so I'm now stuck. If I don't do this, there's no way to RESTORE my saved account settings and such back to the phone after I skip the initial login verfication - ie. Microsoft is SO dumb, you can't add an account after the initial setup to restore a phone using just the phone?!? So now, I'm forced to find a computer to log in to my Microsoft email simply to setup my phone after a reset/etc. where I want to restore my phone info from backup.

    And in the end, promises that are so easy, like Android apps on WP ala Blackberry, were not kept. Heck, you know when XDA folks are installing Android OS onto WPhones that it can be done even at the OS, rather than app level, so what's keeping one of the biggest IT companies in the world with supposidly brilliant programmers away from expanding their market share instantly to all interested users in the world? The dumb CEO in charge...

    Finally, the thing that killed it for me was the lack of apps and apps being pulled from the market.
    Whether it's something as simple as Flickr, Pinterest, Chase, etc, or more complex, it's sad that WP didn't even bother to emulate Android compatiblity ala Blackberry. It would have been so simple, but the dumb Microsoft CEO refused, and that was the end of that.

    $40 Lumia 640 got kicked out, a $80 LG G2 brought in. And startling?
    1. Same size, but G2 has a bigger 5.2" screen in the same body vs 5"
    2. 13MP camera vs 8MP.
    3. Faster 800 processor vs 401.
    4. 4x the memory.
    5. Everything Android runs on the LG G2 whereas few apps run on the 640.

    Basically, same price range, but far, far better, more useful, feature-packed, etc.

    And more useful! MICROSOFT must be the DUMBEST ===PHONE===maker on the planet if it can't put a dialpad button on the home screen like every other phone on the planet. WP is the only stupid OS where I must press several icons/choices to get to the dialpad. Somehow, the lame programmers at Microsoft thinks every contact is already in my contacts list, or I want to add every business/unknown/infrequently used contact to my contacts, and thinks that is good enough to have as an icon from my home page. INSTEAD OF A SIMPLE DIALPAD ICON!?!??!?!??!?!

    WP died for me because every time I dug into this app, that feature, this setting, it was a Wth!?!? moment. Things that have been in other phone OSs for decade+ were missing in WP.

    The latest WP update has done nothing to correct the many problems I've noted, so it's definitely end of the road for WP period, IMO.
    04-12-2017 09:41 PM
  14. EdwinSinVan's Avatar
    Can't wait for the Build conference. They just got to announce something....
    Drael646464 and Kevin Rush like this.
    04-12-2017 10:14 PM
  15. gzerokai's Avatar
    The only way MS is gonna get W10M going again is by introducing their own device and this time stay committed to it. I have a BLU WIN HD LTE which has similar hardware as the Lumia phones which are due to receive the creators update yet for some reason its not included on the list of approved devices. The phone is only 2 years old so i don't see why it shouldn't get it. Aside from that and the app gap i still like windows mobile ...
    04-12-2017 10:20 PM
  16. Drael646464's Avatar
    Well, I don't use windows phone but I can say this. Creators update pro/home on x86/x64 has a "phone call" app. It has "mobile hotspot" in the action menu. It has "SMS/MMS" settings under settings.

    AND last year Microsoft announced windows 10 on ARM, and demo'd it. Rumours of redstone 3 being the last win 10 mobile update. Do the math.

    Seems pretty clear to me windows 10 mobile is going to be replaced with windows 10 on ARM. Should probably be announced or release end of year. If you have a mobile with decent RAM, you'll likely be able to upgrade. I see no reason not, unless the drivers are different.

    But I suspect any updates to windows 10 mobile ATM, are simply Microsoft refining the UI, for the windows 10 on ARM release. For the one OS to rule them all, they keep promising.

    I'm sure those of you with recent devices will enjoy full windows anyway. It's boss on a tablet.

    So yeah, definitely cleaning the board for a fresh start. "Mobile PC" is coming.
    04-12-2017 10:28 PM
  17. Drael646464's Avatar
    The Galaxy S8 MS Edition was a really low blow. Not because the hardware is bad. Heck, I would argue that the only real shortcoming that phone has right now is Android itself, but that's a different matter. Still, MS could have at least told us something, anything, before going nuclear on user confidence again.
    Nah, its quite typical for MS and Samsung to work together (Graphene screen, DeX applications, Samsungs past win phones, and new hybrid). They are pretty close as companies. They have a long history of it. People using MS apps on other platforms, simply makes coming over to the win 10 platform easier.

    Microsoft apps come on the regular s8 too.

    I mean, you want google docs or something to become the standard? Over half of the words computing devices are mobiles. 88% of those are android. It would be silly for MS not to make some strides in that space, as it is.

    Last thing I want is MS to be like apple, where it tries to control its customers and wall them in.

    That won't fly in the IoT, OSs will have to find ways to play together. OS's and software that don't "play nice" will die long term.

    But never fear, the whole thing is getting a re-do, in the form of windows 10 on arm, no doubt. I wonder what the device it'll be demo'd on is. Probably the coveted "surface phone", although with MS you can never be quite sure what FF they'll try next.
    04-12-2017 10:38 PM
  18. Curtis Webb's Avatar
    I gotta say, I'm extremely pissed. I invested in my first Windows Phone years ago, when WP7.5 debuted. I stuck with it until W10 with my last phone being the 950XL. What disappoints me, is that they took Nokia's hardware, which was absolutely amazing, camera, video recording, four microphones to capture the best audio, and they abandoned it. They took the best of the best, and ruined it, by refusing to market it and get the apps they needed to compete with Apple and Android. I loved my camera on the 950XL, absolute BEST photos I've ever had with a phone, nothing could compete. Microsoft totally left it to the waste side, again. This trend happens a lot with MS, only because they enter the market after the fact. Unless they get the apps to compete, they will never be able to compete with mobile. I know they know this. Introducing a product category that people don't know they need, but want, is a way to get them back in the game, but abandoning a market because they can't get a simple app seems like an embarrassing defeat. My 950XL was destroyed last year, out of my hands, and instead of getting another one, I opted for a really nice SONY phone. I figured if I'm going to spend $400, I might as well get a phone that is useful. I hated the fact I had to compromise an amazing camera to get what I needed. MS had the hardware for sure, they didn't have the apps. Shame on MS for not pursing such a simple market. For shame.
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    04-12-2017 11:31 PM
  19. lumia_kiwi's Avatar
    Agreed! I was given an android work phone. I only used it for 6 months, it was useless. My main gripe was with the contacts app and the swipe keyboard for messaging or emails. The android OS just didn't work for me so I went back to my 950 which is just more fluid and does all that I want, which couldn't be said for the android OS. Sure there isn't the apps but just work around it.
    04-12-2017 11:37 PM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    Agreed! I was given an android work phone. I only used it for 6 months, it was useless. My main gripe was with the contacts app and the swipe keyboard for messaging or emails. The android OS just didn't work for me so I went back to my 950 which is just more fluid and does all that I want, which couldn't be said for the android OS. Sure there isn't the apps but just work around it.
    There's more UWP apps in the windows store than 2 years ago and it's still growing.

    But when windows 10 on arm comes (which it will soon, should be out late this year I believe), it won't matter as much anyway because you'll have win32 (and because of it, also things like chrome extensions).

    No doubt Microsoft will make some kind of announcement at the build conference.

    I don't get why windows mobile users are complaining about apps and development, I have plenty of recent good UWPs loaded on my tablet.

    Maybe its because someone like WhatsApp or facebook have stopped supporting? There will be chrome extensions for anything like that soon enough.

    You also get more regular updates than android users, despite that it'll all be likely ditched and replaced by full windows. Blackberry users wish for that kind of follow through.
    04-12-2017 11:59 PM
  21. Cosmin Petrenciuc's Avatar
    Well when I bought my first Windows Phone, a HTC Radar with WP7.5, I did that because I wanted to be different. I didn't want to use Android or IOS like most of the other consumers. And of course I was attracted by the OS efficiency and fluidity. When Microsoft rebooted the platform I got over the frustration and give them a second chance with a Nokia Lumia 1020. When they rebooted the platform a second time I forgave Microsoft again and give them another chance with a Lumia 950 XL. I still like very much the UI and the integration with the Windows 10 on my home laptop and my laptop from work.
    What I feel now in regards of the future of this OS. Well I wanted to be different and I think I am. Microsoft is sending mixed and ambiguous messages about its intentions about smartphones. My friends and colleagues regards me as a strange guy when we talk about smartphone OS choices. In the past I had arguments to back up my choice. Now, with Microsoft's ambiguity, I'm not feeling too combative. Because Microsoft has injected its cloud services into Android and IOS too I can't really say that I prefer Windows 10 Mobile because I have Cortana and Office and a strong integration between my smartphone and my computer. I can have at least parts of that with Android too. And Android lately has become pretty stable and has been optimized for efficiency, I think.
    What I think about how Microsoft is handling this crisis? Well, not good at all I'm afraid. Microsoft is like a woman forever waiting for a knight in a shining armor on a white horse to come and marry her. But while waiting and waiting she becomes old, and wrinkled, and nobody will ever want to marry her. She should either accept a normal man that will treat her good and support her, or go to monastery and be finished with that dilema.
    Last edited by Cosmin Petrenciuc; 04-13-2017 at 01:00 AM.
    04-13-2017 12:36 AM
  22. SunToucher's Avatar
    I will continue to use my windows 950XL phone, as my daily driver. When MS rolls out their new devices that can make cellular calls as well as complete other task that windows 10 provides, I will then purchase that, if it suits my needs. That's my thought on that. As to what I feel, it's just another week in tech land. The landscape changes hourly in relation to technology and the next best thing. This week is not really different than what happened last week, just the names changed.
    04-13-2017 12:46 AM
  23. RbrtSfrn's Avatar
    Confused 😖 and want to have an answer about where and when can I invest in future Phone technology. Will that be sPhone (like "super phone" or "surface phone") on W10 or to go on other type of OS.
    04-13-2017 12:51 AM
  24. Raghavendra Dandin's Avatar
    We all knew this day would come. I made my switch to Android this Jan as my primary device. I still have Lumia 730 around. I'm gonna miss the regular updates. Eagerly waiting for the next mobile device or whatever they are working on. I love my new phone but it's just not the same.

    I have always been a WP user across all WP7- 7.5 - 7.8 - 8 - 8.1 - 10. It's sad that I had to let go.

    Sorry WP
    Last edited by Raghavendra Dandin; 04-13-2017 at 01:04 AM. Reason: Additional information
    04-13-2017 12:57 AM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    Confused and want to have an answer about where and when can I invest in future Phone technology. Will that be sPhone (like "super phone" or "surface phone") on W10 or to go on other type of OS.
    If you have the creators update on tablet or PC....Go into apps, under apps find "Phone". Under the action centre, find "Mobile Hotspot" (or network settings). Under settings>privacy find "Call history". Under privacy messaging find "Let apps read or send SMS/MMS".

    There is your answer as to what is happening to windows on phones. It's going to be called "Mobile PC", a unified platform using "Windows 10 on ARM". Current Windows 10 Mobile will be scrapped.

    Most likely the patent that MS has filed for a phone keyboard case, will be saved for the release, and the surface phone will be released along side the new OS.

    It's also possible they'll develop some means of flashing android devices over to windows 10. Much less certain, but there has to be some reason why they developed that for the Mi 4.
    SunToucher likes this.
    04-13-2017 01:00 AM
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