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  1. Extremevl's Avatar
    You may be wondering what happened to Microsoft's ambitions in the mobile space. The company has been creating a lot of hardware lately, but it's focused on its Surface-branded line of devices running 'full' Windows. A new Windows Mobile handset hasn't been in the rumors for quite some time now.

    That changes today, because a new unconfirmed report now claims that Microsoft is testing just such a device. The revelation apparently comes from two different sources inside the company, so it may be accurate. The bad news? The phone is said to be running a "different" branch of Windows Mobile.

    This has a UI that is different from what we're used to seeing in Windows 10 Mobile, but it's not set in stone yet because it's still "early days" for the development of this new interface. Yes, you read that correctly. Once again, Microsoft may be looking to "reinvent" the mobile experience, in yet another desperate attempt to set its OS apart from its rivals.

    And yes, this could in fact mean a new 'cut' in support for older Windows Mobile apps, which aren't going to work with this new UI. Silverlight apps in particular seem doomed.

    Even if all of this is true now, keep in mind that plans change, and they may be altered significantly in the coming months, before that phone that's currently in testing sees the light of day. Speaking of which, it's very unclear when the new handset might become available - it could be as much as a year from now, or "less if it receives good reviews internally and gets fast tracked".

    Microsoft is reportedly testing a new phone running a new branch of Windows Mobile - GSMArena.com news
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    05-31-2017 03:53 AM
  2. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    I think every company has its fingers in multiple pies. Google is, at this very moment, actively developing an entirely new operating system that is in no way connected to Android, despite the fact that Android is arguably the most successful mobile operating system of all time. This news doesn't surprise me. Now, if this actually comes to fruition and we see true, consumer-facing versions of this new branch of mobile on new hardware, that would surprise me. We'll just have to see where this goes.
    pedmar007, libra89 and Mike G like this.
    06-01-2017 04:46 PM
  3. aj173's Avatar
    Take this report with a grain of salt. We've been hearing "unconfirmed rumors" about Surface Phone for 4 years now. And you see where that led. Nowhere.

    Microsoft got their asses handed to them with the disastrous launch of Windows 10 Mobile on the 950 series, and they're selling Android phones in their store now. Couple this with the fact that the 950 successor was canceled in the prototype stage and Surface Phone never happened, and well, you see where this is going. Microsoft is completely out of the phone hardware game, and after this failed update is done bricking the phones of the remaining few Windows Phone users, I'd imagine that they're probably about done in the mobile OS business as well.
    06-01-2017 09:27 PM
  4. nate0's Avatar
    It aint over until you give up trying.
    06-01-2017 10:45 PM
  5. sd4f's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure just about everyone here knows that MS can't sit out the mobile space, so they're going to keep on trying to do something about it. But, I don't think they're in a position to take the attitude of 'no soup for you!' when it comes to phones. This reboot of sorts is the opposite of the message they should be bringing to the market.

    One of the problems has been stability of direction. While 'fail fast' is pretty common, it's not something which is really suitable for the consumer space for existing products. This constant attempt by MS to break into mobile, I think has a large contribution to the lack of customer adoption. Each reboot sends a message, and even though so few people use windows mobile now, this will be mentioned by other media.

    Just look at the WP8 to W10M transition, that has been a disaster, complete lack of users, and rather than porting or updating apps, many have just been pulled.
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    06-01-2017 11:05 PM
  6. nate0's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure just about everyone here knows that MS can't sit out the mobile space, so they're going to keep on trying to do something about it. But, I don't think they're in a position to take the attitude of 'no soup for you!' when it comes to phones. This reboot of sorts is the opposite of the message they should be bringing to the market.

    One of the problems has been stability of direction. While 'fail fast' is pretty common, it's not something which is really suitable for the consumer space for existing products. This constant attempt by MS to break into mobile, I think has a large contribution to the lack of customer adoption. Each reboot sends a message, and even though so few people use windows mobile now, this will be mentioned by other media.

    Just look at the WP8 to W10M transition, that has been a disaster, complete lack of users, and rather than porting or updating apps, many have just been pulled.
    Ya it is kinda nuts. Maybe they are just too big. Why I think they tried involving so many OEMs over the past serveral years...
    06-01-2017 11:58 PM
  7. techiez's Avatar
    Ya it is kinda nuts. Maybe they are just too big. Why I think they tried involving so many OEMs over the past serveral years...
    i think its also due to their lack of experience in consumer markets. They still try to market these things are they are selling to enterprises. They don't care abt creating mindshare. They just assume they launch a product and ppl would come to them
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    06-02-2017 01:45 AM
  8. Drael646464's Avatar
    i think its also due to their lack of experience in consumer markets. They still try to market these things are they are selling to enterprises. They don't care abt creating mindshare. They just assume they launch a product and ppl would come to them
    That's true, the consumer tech space is almost entirely about convincing people you are giving them something you aren't. Like Gucci, or nike, or coke. Status, women, power, drive, intelligence, freedom, happiness, whatever - something intangible that isn't anything to do with the product. It's not really about product features. It's about exposure and image. Certainly the surface brand is a good start, but they need to actually advertise it. Even sitting a hot chick on a product works better with consumers than giving them features.
    techiez likes this.
    06-02-2017 03:12 AM
  9. pedmar007's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure just about everyone here knows that MS can't sit out the mobile space, so they're going to keep on trying to do something about it. But, I don't think they're in a position to take the attitude of 'no soup for you!' when it comes to phones. This reboot of sorts is the opposite of the message they should be bringing to the market.

    One of the problems has been stability of direction. While 'fail fast' is pretty common, it's not something which is really suitable for the consumer space for existing products. This constant attempt by MS to break into mobile, I think has a large contribution to the lack of customer adoption. Each reboot sends a message, and even though so few people use windows mobile now, this will be mentioned by other media.

    Just look at the WP8 to W10M transition, that has been a disaster, complete lack of users, and rather than porting or updating apps, many have just been pulled.
    That only happened because of the lack of respect and support MS showed its users. Had MS truly done right by the Windows Mobile base and released a device running an acceptable daily driver OS on the 950 series we would all have been supporting and welcoming any new move MS since 2015.
    Mike G and Stig like this.
    06-02-2017 04:43 AM
  10. techiez's Avatar
    That's true, the consumer tech space is almost entirely about convincing people you are giving them something you aren't. Like Gucci, or nike, or coke. Status, women, power, drive, intelligence, freedom, happiness, whatever - something intangible that isn't anything to do with the product. It's not really about product features. It's about exposure and image. Certainly the surface brand is a good start, but they need to actually advertise it. Even sitting a hot chick on a product works better with consumers than giving them features.
    You mentioned surface brand. I would say even better they have holo lens. Seems they are just waiting for likes of apple to copy it n take all the Market share
    Unkitjc likes this.
    06-02-2017 04:54 AM
  11. MysticForce's Avatar
    I think Microsoft will make New Phone With New Windows Mobile OS and make all apps for Android/iOS.
    06-02-2017 05:44 AM
  12. Drael646464's Avatar
    You mentioned surface brand. I would say even better they have holo lens. Seems they are just waiting for likes of apple to copy it n take all the Market share
    Well its expensive. But I know from their research page they are working on a smaller form. Glasses sized. Possible to pair with a satellite device. I think at this stage HoloLens is more dev and enterprise oriented.

    There's another company working on AR. And apple are too. But the question is really who's going to make one that works best for consumers. Something that could replace phone display most of the time, and work with windows on arm, could be pretty swish. Normal sunglasses size with transition lenses, and possibly prescription or vision correction would be ideal. Obviously you won't fit internals in that. I think aiming for the best graphics with AR might be a mistake - get something useable in the hands of people, then work on the graphics.

    Again they might not market version 2.0 well either. But you know your right. Even if they are not selling it directly to consumers, they should advertise it anyway - purely for branding. Their aspirational videos, should all get air play with associating "the future" with Microsoft.
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    06-02-2017 06:15 AM
  13. sd4f's Avatar
    i think its also due to their lack of experience in consumer markets. They still try to market these things are they are selling to enterprises. They don't care abt creating mindshare. They just assume they launch a product and ppl would come to them
    I've been thinking that this whole attitude of chasing consumer markets like they did enterprise is exactly the problem. The era where people are exposed to this stuff first at work is over. Consumers have decided smartphones this time. Where once enterprise issued hardware, BYOD is now quite common, purely because people want to use their own thing.

    Furthermore, enteprise is made up of... consumers and those decisions within the enterprise are made up by... consumers. So this is why iphone is as popular as it is. It's basically the mercedes benz of phones; the goto for status and everything.
    Mike G likes this.
    06-05-2017 03:03 AM
  14. Drael646464's Avatar
    Furthermore, enteprise is made up of... consumers and those decisions within the enterprise are made up by... consumers. So this is why iphone is as popular as it is. It's basically the mercedes benz of phones; the goto for status and everything.
    How did I find myself in a world where a toy-like white thing was, at one point, a status symbol?
    Unkitjc likes this.
    06-05-2017 03:38 AM
  15. trandang1415's Avatar
    R.I.P Windows 10 mobile
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    06-05-2017 04:49 AM
  16. nate0's Avatar
    If they do it, Microsoft should go big. Blow the socks off everyone. That is, if they want to make an impact. Otherwise it just be another scrap of electronic waste in 12 months...
    Pappa Ed, Mike G, ZantReve and 1 others like this.
    06-05-2017 07:51 AM
  17. sd4f's Avatar
    How did I find myself in a world where a toy-like white thing was, at one point, a status symbol?
    There are many great examples from history, some I can mention are from european aristocracy, where at various points in time certain things were in fashion; for instance for someone with land, it was a status thing to have a hermit living on your property. Another was the number of trumpeters you could muster for ceremonies. Clothing is another one which has existed forever. And speaking of fashion, that's where the iphone really takes its place; it's a fashionable accessory, much like the ipod was before it. It appeals to the 'designer' crowd, because of its purported industrial design, much like a lot of other apple products, and seemingly how black turtlenecks are kind of a uniform for these people.

    It's just a part of human nature, and it matters little that a lot of people 'follow the herd' so to speak, it's just what it is.

    This scene from American Psycho is probably one of the best delivered scenes around, kind of exemplifies how people fret over the most inane things, such as a business card...

    06-05-2017 06:31 PM
  18. vmiki's Avatar
    I think there is no other chance than a complete reboot. It would be great if an easy-to-use android app converter (which doesn't need much effort from developers) comes alongside with CShell. (or bring back emulator ;)
    nate0 likes this.
    06-07-2017 09:42 AM
  19. Dhans seka's Avatar
    Full of mess in Microsoft's Mobile OS development path. But still I have a little hope in corner of my mind. Lets support MS until it is done.
    nate0, Mike G, Chris_NH and 1 others like this.
    06-07-2017 09:53 AM
  20. Sedp23's Avatar
    Didn't they just launch Windows 10 Mobile... What's the point of sticking around if they will reboot every other year and cut phones

    Sent from Idol 4s
    06-07-2017 09:57 AM
  21. romo11's Avatar
    You may be wondering what happened to Microsoft's ambitions in the mobile space. The company has been creating a lot of hardware lately, but it's focused on its Surface-branded line of devices running 'full' Windows. A new Windows Mobile handset hasn't been in the rumors for quite some time now.

    That changes today, because a new unconfirmed report now claims that Microsoft is testing just such a device. The revelation apparently comes from two different sources inside the company, so it may be accurate. The bad news? The phone is said to be running a "different" branch of Windows Mobile.

    This has a UI that is different from what we're used to seeing in Windows 10 Mobile, but it's not set in stone yet because it's still "early days" for the development of this new interface. Yes, you read that correctly. Once again, Microsoft may be looking to "reinvent" the mobile experience, in yet another desperate attempt to set its OS apart from its rivals.

    And yes, this could in fact mean a new 'cut' in support for older Windows Mobile apps, which aren't going to work with this new UI. Silverlight apps in particular seem doomed.

    Even if all of this is true now, keep in mind that plans change, and they may be altered significantly in the coming months, before that phone that's currently in testing sees the light of day. Speaking of which, it's very unclear when the new handset might become available - it could be as much as a year from now, or "less if it receives good reviews internally and gets fast tracked".

    Microsoft is reportedly testing a new phone running a new branch of Windows Mobile - GSMArena.com news
    New UI is OK, but Microsoft should modify full version of Windows, add the third mode for mobiles. Windows 10 M is dead.
    06-07-2017 09:57 AM
  22. MARTY1774's Avatar
    You may be wondering what happened to Microsoft's ambitions in the mobile space. The company has been creating a lot of hardware lately, but it's focused on its Surface-branded line of devices running 'full' Windows. A new Windows Mobile handset hasn't been in the rumors for quite some time now.

    That changes today, because a new unconfirmed report now claims that Microsoft is testing just such a device. The revelation apparently comes from two different sources inside the company, so it may be accurate. The bad news? The phone is said to be running a "different" branch of Windows Mobile.

    This has a UI that is different from what we're used to seeing in Windows 10 Mobile, but it's not set in stone yet because it's still "early days" for the development of this new interface. Yes, you read that correctly. Once again, Microsoft may be looking to "reinvent" the mobile experience, in yet another desperate attempt to set its OS apart from its rivals.

    And yes, this could in fact mean a new 'cut' in support for older Windows Mobile apps, which aren't going to work with this new UI. Silverlight apps in particular seem doomed.

    Even if all of this is true now, keep in mind that plans change, and they may be altered significantly in the coming months, before that phone that's currently in testing sees the light of day. Speaking of which, it's very unclear when the new handset might become available - it could be as much as a year from now, or "less if it receives good reviews internally and gets fast tracked".

    Microsoft is reportedly testing a new phone running a new branch of Windows Mobile - GSMArena.com news
    06-07-2017 10:01 AM
  23. MARTY1774's Avatar
    this more of a side grade than a do over if where talking cshell
    06-07-2017 10:03 AM
  24. Richard Toft's Avatar
    The new c shell is a good reason to reboot it will blur the lines considerably between devices, your phone is a pc / tablet your pc / tablet can make calls. Ms really need to promote and sell this concept, Ms have come a long way in tech and os design improvements they now need to make the same great advances in marketing. Because let's face it Ms marketing is p poor.
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    06-07-2017 10:05 AM
  25. nate0's Avatar
    Didn't they just launch Windows 10 Mobile... What's the point of sticking around if they will reboot every other year and cut phones

    Sent from Idol 4s
    It's a long road map for Windows 10/X from my perspective. Microsoft is the only one navigating it though. For one they are future proofing the OS. Two the mobile OS was a stepping stone to other things. What we think their intentions or reasons are for doing what they are doing are usually far from what is actually going on.
    Mike G likes this.
    06-07-2017 10:06 AM
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