1. dmunfone's Avatar
    I just found out that the 950 XL I bought on eBay (purportedly 'new in box'), is some kind of prototype or developer model, with an invalid product code that makes updating the firmware impossible (or near impossible), and that it was never intended to be sold to the public.

    I didn't buy a new phone to start experimenting with spoofing the PC to get firmware updates.

    If I were looking at a MS phone on eBay, I would ask the seller to give me the product code of the phone in the listing, and then search that to make sure it's a real phone, meant for sale to the public.
    iamnixster likes this.
    07-19-2017 05:50 PM
  2. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Ow! That's terrible. Did you report the seller?
    anon(8063781) likes this.
    07-19-2017 06:30 PM
  3. tdbmoss's Avatar
    Prototypes are often worth more than normal phones given their rarity/value to collectors so you may want to keep/sell it if it is one! Does it say anywhere on it that it is such, if not visibly then anywhere inside the back cover/under the battery etc? Usually an actual prototype will have indications somewhere that it is.
    07-20-2017 05:00 AM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Use WDRT and get on factory firmware. I hope you at least got a sweet deal.
    Guytronic, aximtreo and libra89 like this.
    07-20-2017 02:32 PM
  5. T Moore's Avatar
    If the description of the item is not correct file a dispute with the seller.
    Your money will be refunded
    07-20-2017 06:56 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Contact Microsoft https://www.bing.com/search?q=micros...onversationid=

    Give them the IMEI and see what procedures they have. Maybe there is a reward or they can send you a legit device.
    aximtreo likes this.
    07-21-2017 10:37 AM
  7. dmunfone's Avatar
    Use WDRT and get on factory firmware. I hope you at least got a sweet deal.
    That's the main problem - there is no firmware package for this product code, so I can't update it and it's kind of buggy.

    And with a product code that is unknown, I'm not comfortable using any method to spoof the code and load other firmware onto it.
    07-22-2017 12:37 PM
  8. dmunfone's Avatar
    Seller has said they will send me return labels to ship it back, but until I get my money back I'm still slightly worried.
    07-22-2017 12:38 PM
  9. dmunfone's Avatar
    Prototypes are often worth more than normal phones given their rarity/value to collectors so you may want to keep/sell it if it is one! Does it say anywhere on it that it is such, if not visibly then anywhere inside the back cover/under the battery etc? Usually an actual prototype will have indications somewhere that it is.
    Some members on a Windows forum have suggested that, based on the weird product code, that it's either a dev or prototype phone. So we don't really know that for sure.

    Other than the oddball PC, there is a silver foil sticker on the back, just below the PC and IMEI sticker that has green letters on it, "YE". I have searched for pics of these phones, and haven't found another sticker like that.

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    07-22-2017 12:42 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Seller has said they will send me return labels to ship it back, but until I get my money back I'm still slightly worried.
    Per eBay rules, the seller is not obligated to issue a refund until the buyer returns the item and it starts being tracked. Once the tracking shows the seller receiving the item the clock starts and they have 4 days to issue a refund. If they don't, you elevate the issue and believe me, eBay WILL issue the refund.
    07-22-2017 01:42 PM
  11. xandros9's Avatar
    Seller has said they will send me return labels to ship it back, but until I get my money back I'm still slightly worried.
    As fatclue said, it's fairy standard.

    I just bought and returned a Moto G5 Plus just last week (and before that with other parts) and the policy just like you described. Gadget was shipped back (whether on seller or buyer's dime varies) and refund was issued a day or so after arrival.
    07-22-2017 10:40 PM
  12. dmunfone's Avatar
    As an update, I just took the chance and forced another product code's firmware onto the phone, and it's working beautifully so far.

    Might have to cancel the return, but we'll see.
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    07-22-2017 10:59 PM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    Can you even return it after doing something like that?
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    07-23-2017 06:56 AM
  14. dmunfone's Avatar
    Can you even return it after doing something like that?
    Yes, I could always just flash the old firmware back onto it. But it's running so well now, especially with the 15228 OS update, I don't think I'll need to.
    07-23-2017 01:10 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    Yes, I could always just flash the old firmware back onto it. But it's running so well now, especially with the 15228 OS update, I don't think I'll need to.
    Ahh, ok. I've never flashed firmware so I wasn't sure you could go back. Glad it's working for you though!
    libra89 likes this.
    07-23-2017 01:21 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Can you even return it after doing something like that?
    Technically, if you do anything to any item that's not what you bought, you own it. A few years ago people were bricking phones trying to root and so forth then trying to return them. Some vendors weren't too savvy and got shafted by scammers but I've always taken pictures of IMEIs, build versions, etc. for my own protection.

    Sent from my Galaxy S8+
    07-23-2017 03:19 PM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    That's the main problem - there is no firmware package for this product code...
    Yes, I could always just flash the old firmware back onto it...
    How you gonna flash that old firmware onto the phone again when it does not exist? LOL

    Actually it does exist if the phone is a prototype, but you can't get to it unless you sign into the correct Microsoft Server (for internal use only) with the proper, authorized credentials.

    It amazes me that every time this comes up on the forum I suggest contacting Microsoft and the suggestion is completely ignored.

    Technically prototypes always remain the property of Microsoft and can never be legally transferred. You've purchased stolen property and no amount of money paid can ever make it yours. At any time they choose, Microsoft could push a crippling update to every IMEI that is unaccounted for from their stable of prototypes and the persons holding those phones would have no recourse or remedy.

    Enjoy.
    fatclue_98 and iamnixster like this.
    07-24-2017 02:11 PM
  18. dmunfone's Avatar
    The old firmware exists on lumiafirmware.com, and I have a copy of it.

    I don't know for sure if it's a prototype or what at this point, only that the PC hasn't been found on any resource I know of.

    I've thought of the possibility of MS pushing an update that bricks the phone, but I really don't think they're paying that much attention to a discontinued phone at this point.

    Thanks for the condescending reply!
    iamnixster likes this.
    07-25-2017 10:52 PM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The old firmware exists on lumiafirmware.com, and I have a copy of it.

    I don't know for sure if it's a prototype or what at this point, only that the PC hasn't been found on any resource I know of.

    I've thought of the possibility of MS pushing an update that bricks the phone, but I really don't think they're paying that much attention to a discontinued phone at this point.

    Thanks for the condescending reply!
    I think what he meant to say was that your question has come up on other parts of these boards. What that means is a simple search probably would've found the same results instead of starting a new thread. As a former moderator I understand the frustration of seeing multiple threads on the same subject. It was hardly condescending.

    Sent from my Acer Liquid Jade Primo on mTalk
    07-26-2017 04:20 PM

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