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  1. anthonyng's Avatar
    It's neat so many of you started with the original Windows Mobile. I never believed in it. I didn't want what they offered. Windows phone 7 I scoffed off saying it would never work then windows 8 came and I was like, hmm maybe I should give it a shot now.

    I still think it's really cool how they've come to windows 10 today and it should really be just the beginning for it with all their product lines unified. They just need to move faster!
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    09-08-2017 03:42 PM
  2. Yangstax's Avatar
    If you have watched the keynotes in BUILD in the last 5 years, you would feel betrayed and lied. Yes, MS owes us a honest and clear explanation of their mobile plan. So far, they have handled their WP decommissioning in such a disgraceful fashion, it is pitiful. Nandella and Terry Nicholson should come out as a responsible management should to tell the world what they are doing and what they plan to do with their mobile plan. They owe us at least that much.
    09-08-2017 03:43 PM
  3. kr33m0's Avatar
    There are different opinions across the board regarding MS owing those who stuck by them through thick and thin. I like the analogy that one commenter said that this is a relationship and nothing is guaranteed. However, promises were made. And in relationships when you consistently broke your promises you typically try to make up for it. Yes, at anytime one can leave the relationship especially if it is emotionally abusive, which we can argue that this is. But when you are left with the alternatives, before MS made it easier to jump ship, the loyalist would rather continue on.
    Xbox, Bing, IE/Edge all entered markets that were well established and took a beating early on. However, MS grinded it out and we have the products we have today. I do hope that the grind continues for mobile, whatever that may look like. And I agree with many of you that someone should at least let us know where MS stands on mobile just as Ballmer did with Xbox. Can you imagine if they did to Xbox what they have done to mobile?
    Anyway, maybe they don't owe us anything, but a nice worthwhile gesture on MS part would be appreciated and go a long way.
    OsollevA likes this.
    09-08-2017 03:47 PM
  4. OsollevA's Avatar
    Owe might not be the word. But we are disappointed for sure. I am still hanging to my 950XL and my wife with her 950. My first (Windows) phone was MPX200. 13? 14? years ago? I have pictures of all my Windows Phones. I should have saved them. My last disappointment was my MS Band 2 dying and I could not buy something nice compatible with Windows Mobile 10. FitBit is trying very hard, but failing due to problems with the OS and the 950XL chipset.
    I am really hoping for some kind of news. Hoping that the bit Nadela spoke is true.
    I don't want an Android or iOS phone. It would be like a defeat for me. Like losing something I fought so much to keep, against all odds and maybe even against MS wishes.
    Maybe at this point MS just want us to give up.
    09-08-2017 04:51 PM
  5. Monte Constable1's Avatar
    Simple answer. No
    09-08-2017 05:08 PM
  6. ZSkeledzic's Avatar
    Why would Microsoft owe us anything? After all, they still actively support excellent Windows 10 Mobile, and will support it at least till 2019. Let's be honest, who knows what can happen in the meantime?! Maybe Microsoft or their partners finally issue Surface phone or other proper flagship device, or Samsung decides to mass produce pocket size Windows 10 on ARM always connected PC with telephony functions... What I know for sure is that I'm not switching to clunky Android, ever!!! Although, iPhone is my backup device, which helps me overcome the "scary" app gap, but Lumia 950 remains main device for as long as it's supported. We should actually thank Microsoft for all the efforts to develop such a great mobile OS, especially latest insider fast ring update! It runs perfectly on Lumia 950, and I wish it was this good two years ago. But it's still not late... If MS keep supporting and improving Windows 10 Mobile, and themselves along with hardware partners issue new attractive devices, I'm sure developers would then also support it. And it's not hard to find customers for good products and good service. I have impression that all this time Microsoft was hunting for Apple customers, while Android users were and still are much easier targets. Hardly any iPhone user complains, or decides to switch platform, but on Android side it's totally different and pushing solid alternative such as Windows phone in that direction, might change this gloomy picture we currently see.
    09-08-2017 05:25 PM
  7. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    I was dragged through the HTC one m8 debacle. I was promised a lot of things that never materialized, even under contract the phone was about as useful as a paperweight... Oh wait a paperweight does what it is advertised for, scratch that. Thanks Microsoft, I really felt robbed by that contract/lack of updates.
    I was then forced to buy a Lumia because I have so much invested in the windows ecosystem by now. I just can't make that jump yet. I feel everyone's pain
    09-08-2017 05:52 PM
  8. 1DaveN's Avatar
    I'm not sure I think they owe me money, although that would be nice. What I think they owe me is to not abandon yet another product category. I wish they had done more with Zune (whose software is arguably still better than anything music-related they've shipped since). I wish they hadn't killed Money - I haven't kept decent accounting records since. And don't get me started on WMC or Windows Home Server. People start using technology, become invested in it, and it's immensely disruptive when it just goes away.
    dgr_874 likes this.
    09-08-2017 06:08 PM
  9. Groover1971's Avatar
    I'm tired of rants. I still like my 950 and that's why I am still using it. I'm staying on the bus until the last stop when they force me to get off. I still have my original Surface RT (still works), my original Microsoft Band (still works), and my original Xbox One (still works). I'm a rare consumer that doesn't have to have the latest technology. I want the things that I buy to work and not have to replace them all the time. I want to get my money's worth out of them.
    09-08-2017 06:24 PM
  10. kr33m0's Avatar
    I don't know about rant, but there is clearly a lot of frustration. I even forgot about the zunehd I bought my wife. When you add it all up it truly is disappointing. I have drawers filled with Windows devices that has "expired" for one reason or another. I'm still pulling for MS though just not as loudly ������.
    09-08-2017 07:48 PM
  11. MrockNroll's Avatar
    Nice.
    09-08-2017 07:52 PM
  12. Talal Alshaghdali's Avatar
    I was almost the same as you. I was/somehow still addicted to MS, and I fought for MS since WM5 or 6 with i-mate PDA device. For the ecosystem, they have announced for W10 ... Etc.I bought 950 and Surface 3 LTE, then I planned to buy Band 3.
    Anyway, on of the articles in here I suggested same as your idea about Samsung Note 7. Is that a big thing for less 1% fan to pay them back its faults and thank them for their patience!!
    09-08-2017 10:57 PM
  13. Douglas H's Avatar
    Like most of you on this site I have become frustrated with MS. I have been a part of their ecosystem since Windows Mobile 5.0 on the HTC Dash. Just when I was about to jump to Android, MS rolled out WP7. I stuck with them. Then after the WP7 upgrades (7.5 & 7.8) all through to 8 & 8.1, which meant more new hardware. I stuck with them. Then there was another shift to WM10. I stuck with them. MS was in a good place. The Surface brand, Windows 10, Xbox and Hololens had made MS an exciting and cool company once again! During this time I would convince anyone who would listen to get a Windows product (especially phone), but now that is not the case. And it has been that way for at least almost two years.

    I am in it pretty deep! Everything is Windows - SP4 that is less than a year old, but freezes randomly, DV8P still chugging along, Lenovo Idea PC Stick (RIP), Band 2 - nuff said, Lumia 925 w/ 8.1, Lumia 640 w/ WM10 IP, and Idol 4S IP. Lately, I have been looking at my options meaning which Android hardware am I going with. I am still fighting Apple although everyone in my family has an iPhone.

    It seems, at times, the writers on this site struggle with content compared to a couple of years ago. So many similar articles about best PCs or the surface phone keeps popping up. I cannot recall being super excited about an article in a while. Not 100% writers fault, MS just has not been exciting lately.

    Jumping off my soap box now and getting back to the subject at hand. There are many of us who have been in this deep for as long/longer than I have. If there is a Surface Mobile device somewhere on the horizon, then MS should do what Samsung did for the Note 7 owners - hand out heavy discounts to those who stuck with them since WP7 and prior! Is that too much to ask?

    Yeah, well, I feel a bit silly about the whole thing really. Why an emotional investment in ANYONE's ecosystem? They are all multi-billion dollar companies with global reach and their own areas of dominance...why should I care? It is stupid but here I am. I've even started buying up old Lumia's as they are mostly on Amazon at fire sale prices. I think I have about 15 phones on w8.1 and 10. I've considered having them mounted in a nice frame--the devices are quite attractive and I love the colors.

    Competition is good and if the market becomes two ecosystems plus a small number of hardware vendors we will all lose in the long run. Having said that, I will use my Elite x3 or my 950xl for another 12-18 months. If something new comes, great. If not, well...I guess we move on.

    MS could look at their user accounts and at least drop a nice email of thanks to the enthusiasts/evangelists that are still out here. Do they owe me something...sort of, but an email would do.

    I started using windows phone because it was different--I keep using it because I am different. (Yes Microsoft--you can use that one royalty-free)
    09-09-2017 12:11 AM
  14. Jcmg62's Avatar
    I don't think there would be any harm in Microsoft offering some sort of goodwill gesture to W10M users when the fabled "Surface Phone" or whatever they come up with finally arrives.

    Microsoft have offered deep, generous discounts to Apple users to trade in their Macbooks for Surface devices.

    Why wouldn't they offer W10M users a discount to adopt the next version of mobile hardware?
    09-09-2017 01:55 AM
  15. Lych's Avatar
    Like most of you on this site I have become frustrated with MS. I have been a part of their ecosystem since Windows Mobile 5.0 on the HTC Dash. Just when I was about to jump to Android, MS rolled out WP7. I stuck with them. Then after the WP7 upgrades (7.5 & 7.8) all through to 8 & 8.1, which meant more new hardware. I stuck with them. Then there was another shift to WM10. I stuck with them. MS was in a good place. The Surface brand, Windows 10, Xbox and Hololens had made MS an exciting and cool company once again! During this time I would convince anyone who would listen to get a Windows product (especially phone), but now that is not the case. And it has been that way for at least almost two years.

    I am in it pretty deep! Everything is Windows - SP4 that is less than a year old, but freezes randomly, DV8P still chugging along, Lenovo Idea PC Stick (RIP), Band 2 - nuff said, Lumia 925 w/ 8.1, Lumia 640 w/ WM10 IP, and Idol 4S IP. Lately, I have been looking at my options meaning which Android hardware am I going with. I am still fighting Apple although everyone in my family has an iPhone.

    It seems, at times, the writers on this site struggle with content compared to a couple of years ago. So many similar articles about best PCs or the surface phone keeps popping up. I cannot recall being super excited about an article in a while. Not 100% writers fault, MS just has not been exciting lately.

    Jumping off my soap box now and getting back to the subject at hand. There are many of us who have been in this deep for as long/longer than I have. If there is a Surface Mobile device somewhere on the horizon, then MS should do what Samsung did for the Note 7 owners - hand out heavy discounts to those who stuck with them since WP7 and prior! Is that too much to ask?
    If I feel they "owe me something", that would be a decent lumia device that I can actually buy? Their store does no shipping here, the Alcatel is not available. Some vendors have HP imports that have such a hefty price tag you could get any current flagship for that price and that's just the base phone, and not the version with the dock and that laptop thingy that they made. It's just ridiculous.

    So yea, how about making a solid phone that we can actually order, huh MS? Make them built-to order if you don't want to deal with inventory or something. Just put a device out there. If there is anything you "owe me" for sticking with the ecosystem, it's this.

    Plus it's kind of hard to stick to the ecosystem if you're eroding parts of it yourself.
    minus365 likes this.
    09-09-2017 03:42 AM
  16. WilsonBlaze's Avatar
    Yeah they owe the loyal fanbase something. Those are customers that will now be lost on the account of being duped and apathy of the forces behind the product.
    09-09-2017 07:01 AM
  17. WilsonBlaze's Avatar
    Yeah just screw your customers and string them along. Good idea
    Najeeb Elfatih likes this.
    09-09-2017 07:03 AM
  18. WilsonBlaze's Avatar
    If there is no generous option for adoption...I will just keep my Android Essential
    09-09-2017 07:04 AM
  19. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    All windows phone devices hardwarewise have been great in my experience since windows mobile 6.5.x. My current sentiment is that some kind of compensation would be appreciated for sticking around and upgrading. I am very happy to experience that the windows 10 mobile devices were finally uogradable compared to the fiasco of the earlier windows phone versions. Bit I think they could have done better to incentivise more developers to develop apps for the windows store too. I'm most disappointed about a lack of fit and finish of windows 10 mobile. Some things I was still expecting within the lifetime of my windows 10 mobile devices. (Lumia 1520 and 950xl):
    1. Continuum multitasking with at least two open apps.
    2. Be able fo snap two apps side by side (much like in tablet mode in windows 10)
    3. Landscape support for the start menu.
    4. More live tile sizes
    5. Some kind of autoconversion help for developers to convert mobile uwo apps to be usable in continuum

    I think a dressing these issues now would have helped make this phone more productive as a phone and first pc in one. From the start it felt too much as a an alpha version, despite marketing. Microsoft was almost there and in my view they were almost finished. If they pushed through I'm convinced we would have a different perspective on the value of windows 10 mobile and its future.

    For me as a user of windows 10 mobile as my daily driver and an insider I would be happy to be compensated for a free 2 year subscription for office 365 mobile apps, a 25 euro windows store gift card and one year free groove subscription for one of my Microsoft accounts. I don't need a free hardware device because I think that is a personal choice. For me the compensation in software is more relevant as this is the issue.
    09-09-2017 07:04 AM
  20. WilsonBlaze's Avatar
    I respect that but my Surface RT is practically useless. My band is broken. 950/XL both sold..
    09-09-2017 07:06 AM
  21. Julian Barker's Avatar
    About a month or 2 ago I stopped my daily addiction to the Windows mobile RSS feeds. I found that they only invited an anger in me as I joined the echo chamber of disappointment and anger following the heavily invested fans feeling let down. Now I am pretty much ambivalent to Microsoft / Windows (with sadness rearing it's ugly head again) just like Microsoft employees.

    I actually came online to ask the question of a Windows news site how they plan to dissolve themselves from existance. Over the last couple of months it is apparent that Microsoft won't be in the OS business at all for much longer and i include desktop in that as well. I would suggest 5 years tops. And they will have fully moved over to an office, cloud and patent company. Windows will finally be closed up with a whimper and sites like this will have transitioned to... ?

    Do I feel Microsoft owes me anything? No, I don't think so, I have had repeated top quality handsets and tablets running bomb proof software at budget prices because of the lack of market traction. I still use my l925 as an audio server, I still use my l2520 as light media news tablet, I still use my sp4 as a desktop and drawing tablet and I'm writing this on my l950. My next phone will be an Android one though as will, i am sure, the one after that. Around this time it will connect to a screen to become a desktop at which point the Windows OS sega can finally sleep.
    dgr_874 and VetDuarte like this.
    09-09-2017 07:33 AM
  22. Jaichandran GD's Avatar
    I agree that Microsoft should reward loyal users. But I want them to do more - for themselves!!! Why should they stop a supreme product??! Have they gone nuts?? Please check out this link - discussion on Microsoft community to save windows phones.

    https://answers.microsoft.com/thread...7-2e2745419e78

    Cheers.
    09-09-2017 01:10 PM
  23. Bobvfr's Avatar
    Agreed that maybe the word "Owed" isn't maybe the right one, but they maybe do owe us something. As others have said they do owe us commitment.

    If a "Surface phone" or small PC with telephony ever materialises then at least a trade in for at least any of the more recent Windows phones (They would need a sensible cut off).

    I really don't care if my next mobile device is a Windows/Surface phone or a small PC running full blown Windows, but I do care that my current mobile number is running on something that runs some version of Windows and I can answer the call on any of my devices.

    As said so many times, if I have to jump ship on the mobile then I may as well jump ship on the lot as I like integration of devices above all.

    I wonder if Apple would bring out an iBox?
    09-09-2017 04:41 PM
  24. rhaluska's Avatar
    Like most of you on this site I have become frustrated with MS. I have been a part of their ecosystem since Windows Mobile 5.0 on the HTC Dash. Just when I was about to jump to Android, MS rolled out WP7. I stuck with them. Then after the WP7 upgrades (7.5 & 7.8) all through to 8 & 8.1, which meant more new hardware. I stuck with them. Then there was another shift to WM10. I stuck with them. MS was in a good place. The Surface brand, Windows 10, Xbox and Hololens had made MS an exciting and cool company once again! During this time I would convince anyone who would listen to get a Windows product (especially phone), but now that is not the case. And it has been that way for at least almost two years.

    I am in it pretty deep! Everything is Windows - SP4 that is less than a year old, but freezes randomly, DV8P still chugging along, Lenovo Idea PC Stick (RIP), Band 2 - nuff said, Lumia 925 w/ 8.1, Lumia 640 w/ WM10 IP, and Idol 4S IP. Lately, I have been looking at my options meaning which Android hardware am I going with. I am still fighting Apple although everyone in my family has an iPhone.

    It seems, at times, the writers on this site struggle with content compared to a couple of years ago. So many similar articles about best PCs or the surface phone keeps popping up. I cannot recall being super excited about an article in a while. Not 100% writers fault, MS just has not been exciting lately.

    Jumping off my soap box now and getting back to the subject at hand. There are many of us who have been in this deep for as long/longer than I have. If there is a Surface Mobile device somewhere on the horizon, then MS should do what Samsung did for the Note 7 owners - hand out heavy discounts to those who stuck with them since WP7 and prior! Is that too much to ask?

    Owed nothing but.... What MS could do is to offer credit for the folks who kept using a windowsmobile phone. These folks are problably part of the Windows insiders and are still helping MS.

    As everyone has said, the Windows 10 mobile is awesome, users would want to have the interface and Windows a device that is mobile.

    Most of us Windows Insiders would love to test out the device when and if this device gets closer to being announced..
    09-09-2017 06:06 PM
  25. Jeremy Cush's Avatar
    The problem is not all microsoft , remember when the ipad came out it was pushed on schools and the fools bought in to it a few years later the apple lag on older ipads make them useless , schools cant afford to replace these things every year and now have sluggish tablets with no help from apple , not even a way to return the ipad to a firmware where the ipad was fast , least on android you can go back and reflash a good rom that worked , windows phone lost the battle not because of bad phones but the lack of google apps , and the promise of being able to run android apps on the phone , will i get a new windows phone after my 950xl the answer is no , i now use all 3 platforms ios for stable use , android for being able to download a tv show or music and play it on a stock app ( something apple will never allow , only a pc is needed to transfer the movie to the phones vlc app to view ) and my lumia 950 xl for using it to play tv on it as region detection does not seem to be a problem
    09-09-2017 06:26 PM
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