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  1. erzhik's Avatar
    It failed because WM failed. Pretty much anything related to Mobile, failed.
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    10-04-2017 09:45 AM
  2. kaktus1389's Avatar
    I actually don't think Continuum failed as Samsung made their own Continuum-like feature (Dex), which means it did leave an impact on the industry. In my opinion, the world already sees tablets more like bigger mobile phones rather than a full computer.
    What I think would be fascinating is Continuum in VR/AR (or any kind of projection), projected from the phone. The future is in the AR and VR and Microsoft started making it mainstream now and if they had really polished AR/VR experience it could work with some proper marketing.
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    10-04-2017 09:47 AM
  3. Hodgiemoto's Avatar
    Continuum, like Groove and others is a marketing fail by Microsoft, for lack of effort on their part - but it's not a fail as a product. I use Continuum daily with my HP Elite x3, and I love it. I love the concept and I've embraced it; I just wish Microsoft had as well.
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    10-04-2017 09:50 AM
  4. vicu9mx's Avatar
    Is not a failure, it's a deprecated feature
    10-04-2017 09:59 AM
  5. Bloobed's Avatar
    You already touched on it, but yeah, no apps. You can't just practically abandon the mobile market for a year, to introduce another "whole new" platform that was basically buggy enough to be unusable for another year. Not even if you were one of the big players, and WP was never that. And with MS's track record of dropping support it is just too risky for app developers to jump in, especially with the minimal install base in the first place. MS's own lack of confidence in their own technologies is hardly reassuring either.

    Continuum by itself was fine, and cool, although of limited practical use. It just wasn't supported by the OS / ecosystem.
    10-04-2017 10:03 AM
  6. MBytes's Avatar
    It didn't fail. The phone OS failed. The problem is that we never got Continuum. We got a proof of concept. You can see that it uses remote desktop for each app, and even start menu (hence why it is a mirror of the actual start menu). It isn't really Continuum. the Continuum 2.0 demo showed, is the real Continuum. That is why it wasn't released, that is why you saw the Start Menu being broken in the demo. They were actually coding the real one, and clearly in the works at the time of the demo. And actually, it might not even be Continuum in action, but rather CShell, or that Continuum demoed got cancelled because CShell will replace it. Regardless, it isn't coming to Windows 10 Mobile. I see it coming on the "Surface phone"

    I didn't use Continuum because I can't do anything with it. It's not the app problem.. it is multi-window.. and this is something that bugged me with Windows 10 Mobile. Where is window part of "Windows"? I expected, at least for large devices to be able to put 2x UWP apps one top of each other in portrait mode. Samsung tried to do it, but failed as the Android apps aren't designed to be dynamically salable beside supported apps. But this has changed with the latest Android, where it natively support it, so apps support will come.


    The problem that Microsoft has, is the lack of determination and perseverance, and lack of vision shared among everyone in the company. Anyway, I would hate to be working at Microsoft right now as a dev. With all the hard work put into projects just to get it unexpectedly cancelled, never to see the light of day anymore. And you never know when you'll get the axe. Moral must be very low.
    10-04-2017 10:06 AM
  7. eddydu's Avatar
    Times changed. We don't need our laptops or pcs as much anymore because everyone has access to a smartphone that in some cases can do more. Since this is happening, people dont need to plug in their phone to access a screen. Yes it was interesting to play with, but was not the greatest innovation. It was basically stripped down windows RT if anyone remembered that. Windows phone lost and died because it couldn't keep up with the app gap, which in today's time apps are the thing. Yes windows on arm might be the future, and might revolutionize mobile computing and smartphones, but it is not certain, and won't be a reality for some time. I will still be supporting windows mobile with my 640, which is an awesome backup, and would love to see windows phone turn into a new evolution of mobile computing. Microsoft has to step up their game.
    10-04-2017 10:09 AM
  8. sweatshopking's Avatar
    Guys, it failed. pretending otherwise isn't going to change it. For the majority of owners of a supported device they NEVER use it. I know a number of people with 950's/xl and not one of them, myself included, has ever EVER used it. Why would you? it was far too limited and terrible to bother with. WOA implementations look usable, but barely, and since there is still no x64 arm coming, it'll continue to be ram limited in the future. Again, with MS it's bad management, their refusal to invest in stuff people actually want, like apps (which they should have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on yearly if they wanted their platform to work, and have all the major apps rewritten in xamarin), and no marketing for the phones. I don't think marketing would have fixed this. it was a solution to a problem almost nobody has.
    10-04-2017 10:11 AM
  9. sweatshopking's Avatar
    WOA is doa. They're bleeding to chrome on the low end, and that isn't about to stop.
    10-04-2017 10:12 AM
  10. Scott Anderson2's Avatar
    It hasn't failed. It was released too early and before there was capable and productive hardware to match. The thought that someday I could walk around with my PC in my pocket and attach to any monitor and keyboard and have full Windows productivity makes me still a believer.
    10-04-2017 10:14 AM
  11. Scott McBurney's Avatar
    Most of Microsoft's failures, Continuum included, really come down to one factor - crappy marketing. If you want to get people interested in a new feature or new hardware, you have to do a LOT of GOOD marketing to get the word out there.

    Continuum is one of those things that was barely ever publicized, and everyone who was interested thought you had to spend another $100 to get a dock to use it, when in reality there are plenty of third party devices that work just as well for as low as $30 (maybe less by now).

    Windows phone is the same thing. A few years back, it was Nokia doing all the marketing, and their sales were actually good.

    Microsoft markets the hell out of the Surface line and the Xbox, and those sell well. But when Windows Phone 10 came along, marketing just stopped. No marketing, people forget about it, since apple, google, and Samsung were marketing the hell out of their products, but practically nothing from Microsoft.

    Continuum didn't fail. Microsoft's marketing failed.
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    10-04-2017 10:17 AM
  12. Vincent McLaughlin's Avatar
    The times I've used continuum was for streaming movies from my phone to the tv, using the dock. Continuum might have picked up momentum, if there were more apps that actually worked with it and MS actually promoted it. Don't get me wrong, I love my 950X, but MS is not inspiring confidence that i will want to invest in when it comes to mobile devices. MS has had plenty of great ideas, but have failed to execute properly and follow up on their products. Instead, MS has allowed other companies to basically take their ideas and market them and implement better. As a result, MS loses on the consumer front and increases on business front. It's time to realize that MS no longer has an interest in the average consumer. Look what they're doing with Groove. I just home movies aren't next, but the trend isn't looking good. This is coming from one of their biggest supporters and hopeful fans of their mobile "ambitions". So many great ideas wasted. Considering Satya Nadella wasn't a huge supporter of the average consumer, it's not surprising. Granted, he's done well with enterprise and getting MS back to it's roots and what has worked for them, i just hope his direction will include something outstanding, when it comes to mobile. If not, MS may as well just stay focused on enterprise consumers. As for the rest of us, join the masses and choose a mobile ecosystem that we can be live with and move on. Nothing else to really see here, unless MS really puts forth effort. It's all about making money, i get it, but it sucks to see so many great ideas fall to the wayside.
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    10-04-2017 10:18 AM
  13. MBytes's Avatar
    The times I've used continuum was for streaming movies from my phone to the tv, using the dock. Continuum might have picked up momentum, if there were more apps that actually worked with it and MS actually promoted it. Don't get me wrong, I love my 950X, but MS is not inspiring confidence that i will want to invest in when it comes to mobile devices. MS has had plenty of great ideas, but have failed to execute properly and follow up on their products. Instead, MS has allowed other companies to basically take their ideas and market them and implement better. As a result, MS loses on the consumer front and increases on business front. It's time to realize that MS no longer has an interest in the average consumer. Look what they're doing with Groove. I just home movies aren't next, but the trend isn't looking good. This is coming from one of their biggest supporters and hopeful fans of their mobile "ambitions". So many great ideas wasted. Considering Satya Nadella wasn't a huge supporter of the average consumer, it's not surprising. Granted, he's done well with enterprise and getting MS back to it's roots and what has worked for them, i just hope his direction will include something outstanding, when it comes to mobile. If not, MS may as well just stay focused on enterprise consumers. As for the rest of us, join the masses and choose a mobile ecosystem that we can be live with and move on. Nothing else to really see here, unless MS really puts forth effort. It's all about making money, i get it, but it sucks to see so many great ideas fall to the wayside.
    Personally I can't wait when the "Surface phone" will come out. Who will buy this convertible device that has no Spotify (as for sure the WP8 app will get cancelled and pulled), no streaming service, no Maps (I think that one is coming.. I mean no phone.. why have Maps?), no ecosystem. Then it will fail, and Microsoft will wonder, once again, why it failed.
    10-04-2017 10:28 AM
  14. Dusteater's Avatar
    Continuum failed for one reason. It never supported use in the car.

    The only place I would ever use it is in the car. Apple and Google both have solutions for this, Microsoft does not.

    Microsoft was a member of the MirrorLink standards body, but failed to ever implement the technology, and eventually quit the body.

    Even their apps like Groove Music never supported CarPlay. It's quite apparent that Microsoft has totally ignored people who drive cars, and refuse to make any of their products or services work in the car.

    It' that simple. Cars matter.
    MBytes and Player Piano like this.
    10-04-2017 10:32 AM
  15. MBytes's Avatar
    Yes, very true. There was no reason why not to. Android Auto is open, and you have mirrorlink as you mentioned (I think Android Auto uses it or is it). Even if Microsoft never mentioned because it is Google branding. If it worked, it all that it would matter. It would get business and consumer traction. I don't care about specialized car version.. I won't be typing a word document as I am driving... I would use Map and/or Groove. That is all. Maybe Edge if the car is parked and I need to check an address or something like opening hours of a place before i get there, or something.
    10-04-2017 10:40 AM
  16. Matt Marshall1's Avatar
    It was an impressive start, and while MS could have continued to build on the concept, they let it stall.

    I use Continuum only on occasion, such as when away from home or the office and need to remote into the office or the datacenter for my job. And, in that particular context, I use my wireless display adapter and a small Bluetooth keyboard that I take on the road with me, and use the RDP client on Windows Mobile 10 to connect to a real Windows machine where I can get work done. While this is almost exclusively the only way I use Continuum, in a pinch I'll use the mail, skype, messaging, Word, Excel, and/or Edge apps in Continuum mode, but that's rare.

    Continuum has so much more potential than this. Maybe C-SHELL or Windows on Arm will make it what it should have become way before now (i.e. a traditional Windows desktop experience). If such a Windows Mobile phone or 3 in 1 type of device comes along, I'll probably give it a shot.
    10-04-2017 10:44 AM
  17. Simon Jonny's Avatar
    The largest market of Mobile phone users are not tech people.

    They're average Joe and Jane just trying to get by in life, they probably don't even use a computer in their job. They use their mobile as a means of contacting loved ones, taxi etc and will use it for light entertainment be it a youtube video, app gaming, or quick lookup of information.
    I'd argue that most mobile users don't even use email on their phone for anything more than that annoying after thought of registration and confirming they've registered for sites or apps.

    Most certainly don't have anything more than an old outdate or a very under powered laptop/PC that already leaves a sour taste in their mouth thanks to all the malware they've got installed, constant crashing and just overall slow working machine (as seen by them as slow windows), then they have the whole bothersome problem of lugging it around and trying to type and use a touchpad/mouse.
    Yes for us tech users it's super easy to think of a PC as a pleasure to use and the touch screen keyboards on mobile devices as terrible for doing any worth while work, but guess what? The majority of mobile users out there, they're still not using their mobile to do any work, or even anything even remotely productive.
    For those that are trying to be productive, they're using the same methods as everyone else before mobiles and the smart aspect just delays their need for a real PC at the office or pulling out their laptop. You can argue that the continuum experience would help mitigate that, and that they could just do everything there and then, but that's not the world of productivity we work in. You are going to have to work with other people, you are going to have to work in a flow with other people and that doesn't (unfortunately) consist of you pulling out your laptop or mobile phone with continuum to work on things while they're busy trying to move on with their flow of work.

    There would have to be a huge change in the way everyone works for that to happen, and it's not happened with laptops, even the ultra mobile ones. It's not going to happen with a mobile phone platform that the majority of people don't even care about, let alone use.

    And that leads me on to the usage of it. To get people engaged into a mobile platform, and what is effectively just an 'app' for continuum as seed by anyone who's not into a tech, it's an app that runs a some basic forms of Windows like software, and that's all it does. They don't have Windows 10 machines on the whole, a lot don't even have a PC in any form anymore so they can't even relate to it... and these same people are the ones that flash off new features and tacky apps/games to their friends and work mates for a bit of fun and giggles.

    Microsoft is now a decade behind the mobile movement, and there are teenagers growing up now without a care in the world for what Microsoft means. They're going though school with chromebooks, or even buying into the high flying life style of mac books or even ipad pros. None of their friends, or even teachers will be using Microsoft mobile. They get a cheap Windows based laptop to produce some word-processing, but you can almost guarantee apart from visiting some porn sites, out side of study hours it'll be left for dust.

    So what options does Microsoft have for the people that produce the movement in tech, our younger generations who're buying into the new tech devices that Microsoft is seemingly not part of anymore?

    Xbox.

    That's what Microsoft can connect younger people with, and they do. Parents are more likely to buy a game console for a kid as a gift for say Christmas. At this point Microsoft could double up with continuum on the xbox as an app leveraging the power of the app store on Windows 10, for the next generation of children/teens growing up, keeping them into the eco system, and maybe when they see what continuum has to offer they can move on to something Microsoft Windows based, if nothing else it's going to keep Microsoft at the for front of their experience and for parents, they get a productive machine for school work as well.

    Other than that, I don't see Microsoft progressing anywhere other than business usage and hard-core gamers /and/with VR moving forward.
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    10-04-2017 10:50 AM
  18. Matt Marshall1's Avatar
    Not sure what car you drive, but my Lumia 950XL works perfectly in our GMC and Chrysler vehicles. I stream, and control (i.e. skip, play, pause, rewind, browse) from a variety of apps (really every media app I've tried) off my Lumia 950XL, including from Groove.

    While neither of my vehicles incorporate display support yet for either my wife's iPhone or my Lumia 950XL, both cars fully support the controller functionality for both of our phones equally, as described in the CarPlay standard.
    10-04-2017 10:51 AM
  19. Dusteater's Avatar
    Not sure what car you drive, but my Lumia 950XL works perfectly in our GMC and Chrysler vehicles. I stream, and control (i.e. skip, play, pause, rewind, browse) from a variety of apps (really every media app I've tried) off my Lumia 950XL, including from Groove.

    While neither of my vehicles incorporate display support yet for either my wife's iPhone or my Lumia 950XL, both cars fully support the controller functionality for both of our phones equally, as described in the CarPlay standard.
    All the cars I drive have CarPlay for display. And once you use it, you can never go back to Bluetooth audio. Having maps is the biggest thing. Anyways, even Bluetooth audio hardly worked in Windows Mobile. Texts would be read maybe 25% of the time, music would never resume, etc. Tons of issues that were never resolved.
    10-04-2017 11:07 AM
  20. Mr Hyde's Avatar
    I think that it have helped sell some phones if, like the OP suggested, it was marketed as a tablet replacement. If MS had a tablet sized screen with battery and touch screen that just linked to my 950xl while it was home on the charger, I'd have bought it. I seem to use my SP3 more as a tablet these days while sitting on the couch while the phone charges. I also hate using the phone at home since the screen is so tiny. Of course it would have only worked if it was marketed properly so it probably would have failed anyway... But it would have been very cool.
    10-04-2017 11:46 AM
  21. fdruid's Avatar
    When Microsoft introduced Continuum with Windows 10 Mobile in 2015, they would have expected it to disrupt the mobile hardware business in the same way as iPhones did in 2007. But it happened to be nothing more than a ripple that faded away in few months. So, was it really a useless feature or was it a case of poor execution? This is what I will try to explain here.

    Microsoft marketed continuum as feature that transformed the phone into a PC. But, a PC is not just characterised by a bigger display with a mouse and a keyboard. PC is popular because it has numerous applications developed over a period of more than 20 years. Without those applications, Windows 10 Mobile with Continuum was just a BODY WITHOUT SOUL. Personally, I think it was a foolish move by Microsoft to market Windows 10 Mobile as “a phone that works like a PC”.

    Having said that, Windows 10 mobile was exceptional and way ahead of its time (if we ignore the initial crashes). To understand why it failed, we need to go back 30 years. It was 1980’s and Apple made it’s first computer. The only problem was, it was not a “computer” but a board. Steve Jobs realised his mistake and made a full fledged computer in the form of Apple II. W10M had a similar story. Continuum was a cool feature to have on a phone but where were the displays? No one wanted to carry a 14 inch monitor and a keyboard with them wherever they went. This was the main problem with Continuum and Microsoft should have addressed this issue.

    So what was the solution? The solution was pretty obvious. Microsoft should have made TABLET LIKE STANDALONE DISPLAYS OF SMALLER FORM FACTOR LIKE 8", 10", & 12" with a built in battery. This could be attached to the smartphone when needed. Instead of marketing W10M as a “phone that works like a PC”, Microsoft should have marketed it as a “PHONE THAT CAN REPLACE YOUR TABLET”. We will all agree that getting a slightly bigger screen can be really advantageous in some scenarios like playing games, reading e-books and watching movies. But I am pretty sure that it would have proved much more useful than that once it had caught people’s attention.

    I think that it was a golden opportunity for Microsoft and they just let it pass by. This is where great leaders can make a difference. Perhaps, in the world of big data, AI and quantum computing, the most important thing that is missing is “COMMON SENSE”.
    Is it a failure? Well:

    Glass Half Full:
    1) It works as advertised, and it's useful. If you have the setup (including those "hollow laptops"), it's great. I use it to watch media in a non-smart TV, it's pretty flawless.
    2) It's a new technology, when it was released just wasn't there, Google and Samsung and whatnot imitated it later.
    3) It's a step towards the future, what MS wants to do with their devices. That is, the "Surface Phone" will work this way too, plugged into a monitor and a keyboard and mouse. People got familiar with this kind of application of a device.

    Glass Half Empty:
    1) It's not a success as long as Microsoft sells millions and millions of it and millions of people use it.
    2) In that respect, nothing that MS has done in the mobile space was ever a success, and probably for some time won't be.
    3) Probably other companies got inspired by it and will get it working, it will gain traction, and they will get credit for something MS invented.
    10-04-2017 11:46 AM
  22. mbrdev's Avatar
    I don't know if it should be described as a failure or not because really continuum was/is a stepping stone to CShell, and as such I'm not sure even Microsoft ever thought it would set the world on fire. However, Continuum did fail to resonate with consumers but I feel like that was more to do with the overall state of windows on mobile rather than a fundamental problem with Continuum. One thing they should have done from the very start though is include the dock in the same box as the phones, swallowed the loss by not increasing the price of the handset and defiantly not have it as a $100+ accessory sold separately.
    10-04-2017 11:58 AM
  23. spaceOpia1's Avatar
    The feature in itself is pretty cool. Not perfect, not mature, but really nice and innovative. It is Microsoft that is the failure. Their marketing efforts are the worst I can think of as a tech company. And worse than that, their inability to be conscious of this gigantic flaw.
    The MS beast is so big it can't see, let alone wipe, its *ss.
    10-04-2017 12:05 PM
  24. Biff Henderson's Avatar
    Microsoft comes up with brilliant ideas. Presents them and then throws them over the wall and expects us to pick them up and run with them. Without marketing, there is no demand. With no demand, we can not run with their brilliant idea. They need to educate the public about the value of their brilliant idea. They do not. They finish/abandon projects and move on to the next project. Typical of developers. Terrible for the sales team. Marketing is the missing piece. Sad to watch.
    10-04-2017 01:46 PM
  25. Biff Henderson's Avatar
    Poor marketing. Microsoft comes up with brilliant ideas. Presents them and then throws them over the wall and expects us to pick them up and run with them. Without marketing, there is no demand. With no demand, we can not run with their brilliant idea. They need to educate the public about the value of their brilliant idea. They do not. They finish/abandon projects and move on to the next project. Typical of developers. Terrible for the sales team. Marketing is the missing piece. Sad to watch.
    10-04-2017 01:47 PM
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