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  1. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Google Maps has an offline option in the USA.


    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...roid.apps.maps
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    10-17-2017 08:04 PM
  2. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    For those on android, what maps apps do you use?

    One of the biggest drawcards for WP was offline maps, which from what I understand, still isn't really a feature of google maps.
    Google Maps offers offline use, you just need to download the portions of the map you intend to use ahead of time, and then you'll be regularly notified to update them to keep them current. It also saves mobile bandwidth.

    I work in the SF Bay Area of California, and I've downloaded the whole Bay Area to my phone, so I can map and route even if I'm in an area with no data. Obviously you get better route information (with traffic analysis) with data, but it still works otherwise.
    10-17-2017 08:10 PM
  3. Newfangled's Avatar
    One thing Windows 10 Mobile does have going for it is regular bug fixes and security updates. And they will continue at least through the end of next year.

    Most Android phones never get any updates at all.

    In light of security threats like the KRACK WiFi vulnerability that are coming to light, I'd choose a Windows 10 Mobile device over an Android device that never or rarely gets updates.

    It was refreshing to learn that Microsoft had already patched Win10 devices against the KRACK exploit. Meanwhile Apple's patch is still in beta, and Google says an Android patch will be released "in the coming weeks."

    Considering tech companies were made aware of KRACK in July, Microsoft seems to have taken it more seriously than the others.

    I'm currently using a Moto E4 running Android Nougat 7.1.1 with the May 2017 security update. I'd be surprised if Motorola (Lenovo) released a security update for it at all. Doesn't make me feel very confident about Android security.
    10-17-2017 09:08 PM
  4. dov1978's Avatar

    Most Android phones never get any updates at all.
    What a silly statement. Most Android phones still receive updates even if they are just security patches on older phones. You really need to do your homework.
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    10-18-2017 07:13 AM
  5. beman39's Avatar
    What a silly statement. Most Android phones still receive updates even if they are just security patches on older phones. You really need to do your homework.
    really?? my LG G6 I've had for 5 months has yet to receive 1 update... NOT 1... My X3 has gotten 2 updates in the 2 months I've had it... what was that about needing to do homework?
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    10-18-2017 07:19 AM
  6. Newfangled's Avatar
    What a silly statement. Most Android phones still receive updates even if they are just security patches on older phones. You really need to do your homework.
    I have. In fact, I just wrote a blog post about it and would be happy to PM you a link (I'm apparently not allowed to in this post).

    Most Android phones in existence never or rarely receive updates.

    Many of the big, popular brands are getting better at it with their newer phones. Google, BlackBerry, Nokia, Samsung, LG, and Motorola all issue regular security updates on at least some of their phones.

    But what about HTC? ZTE? Huawei? Even Motorola and Samsung don't update all their phones.

    And I would be surprised if phones older than 2 years, besides the Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, and BlackBerry Priv, are getting regular monthly security patches.
    Last edited by Newfangled; 10-18-2017 at 08:15 AM.
    10-18-2017 07:41 AM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What a silly statement. Most Android phones still receive updates even if they are just security patches on older phones. You really need to do your homework.
    Um, no. I keep a ZTE Zmax Pro to stay on top of Android shenanigans and it's still stuck on Marshmallow and hasn't seen a security update this year. Oh, and I bought it new from T-Mobile this year.
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    10-18-2017 10:57 AM
  8. Goldn3agle's Avatar
    I'm sticking with my 930 and my 950XL for the foreseeable future, because I don't really have a choice.
    Support aside, why would I use a flimsy device with a crappy OS or a stupidly over-priced walled garden? :p
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    10-18-2017 11:13 AM
  9. sporosarcina's Avatar
    I think of it in terms of future proofing. My app usage is generally as follows.

    Productivity: Office* and assorted MS apps*
    Email/Cal: Outlook*
    Browser: Edge*
    Assistant: Cortana*
    Owned Music: Groove*
    Streaming Music: Pandora* or Spotify
    Podcasts: Grover Pro*
    Wearable: Garmin*
    Messaging: Whats App, Messenger*, Skype*
    YouTube: MyTube*
    Social: FB*, Instagram*, Twitter*, Ouga*, and Edge (for G+)
    Banking: Edge
    Various Science Apps
    Ereader: Kindle, Kobo*, Freda+*, Edge*

    These apps cover probably 90% of my phone use and all those with * are UWP so no matter what flavor of W10 it is in the future, they will work and be pretty much the same.
    10-18-2017 11:27 AM
  10. DwarfyKing's Avatar
    Well I might be arrested for this but I am sticking with my Lumia 950 XL for now. I do can anything I would like to do with it. All the social media apps I need is on it. It has a damn great camera. So as long as it is supported until 2019 I see no need to get rid of it so far. Also I love the Operating system. Very solid and secure.
    10-18-2017 01:01 PM
  11. dov1978's Avatar
    I have. In fact, I just wrote a blog post about it and would be happy to PM you a link (I'm apparently not allowed to in this post).

    Most Android phones in existence never or rarely receive updates.

    Many of the big, popular brands are getting better at it with their newer phones. Google, BlackBerry, Nokia, Samsung, LG, and Motorola all issue regular security updates on at least some of their phones.

    But what about HTC? ZTE? Huawei? Even Motorola and Samsung don't update all their phones.

    And I would be surprised if phones older than 2 years, besides the Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, and BlackBerry Priv, are getting regular monthly security patches.
    Huawei are supposed to be one of the worst but I've still had 3 updates in the 4 months I've owned my P10. I'm on the September security patch too so it's not even far behind at all.
    You can't say most or all Android phones get very few updates or at all when theres quite a few manufacturers over there that put stock or close to stock Android on the phones. The likes of Google Nexus/Pixel, All Nokia phones, One Plus, Sony, Essential, Blackberry, etc all get monthly updates and feature updates almost as soon as they're available

    I don't disagree about older phones (a year or older) getting few or any updates because I'm not that naive. But it's certainly not black and white where all or no phones get all or no updates at all.
    Much of that is down to the individual manufacturers themselves not the actual platform. They choose whether or not to bother passing on the updates to the users but I'm guessing it's too much hassle for them. Microsoft update Windows regularly but how many updates have Alcatel, Acer or HP actually rolled out to their Windows phones with features or bug fixes for their phones in particular? Very little
    10-19-2017 05:19 AM
  12. docsp1's Avatar
    For me until now there is no reason to leave windows mobile
    10-19-2017 05:26 AM
  13. Tjalsma's Avatar
    Off and on I've switched from Windows Phone but never completely left. I've always had at least a few laying around.

    I switched to an iPhone and sold it to go back to my Lumia 900, then I switched to Android and sold it to go back to my Lumia 925, then I switched to an iPhone and sold it to go back to my Lumia 950, then I switched to Android and bought an Alcatel Idol.

    The main reason for me is that I kind of just hate people. I don't have FB because people agitate me, I don't really post on Instagram because I don't care about that, I do post on Twitter from time to time. I find that having access to all of those apps and finding the need to use them because I spent $500+ on a phone, primarily social apps is nothing but a nuisance for me. I guess, in the end, I hate myself so I'll stick with Windows Mobile...until I switch to something else and hate it.

    What is astonishing to me is how everyone who's been holding on for so long are just NOW jumping ship. I mean, we've been in this position for years now. Literally nothing has changed.
    10-19-2017 08:56 AM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Off and on I've switched from Windows Phone but never completely left. I've always had at least a few laying around.

    I switched to an iPhone and sold it to go back to my Lumia 900, then I switched to Android and sold it to go back to my Lumia 925, then I switched to an iPhone and sold it to go back to my Lumia 950, then I switched to Android and bought an Alcatel Idol.

    The main reason for me is that I kind of just hate people. I don't have FB because people agitate me, I don't really post on Instagram because I don't care about that, I do post on Twitter from time to time. I find that having access to all of those apps and finding the need to use them because I spent $500+ on a phone, primarily social apps is nothing but a nuisance for me. I guess, in the end, I hate myself so I'll stick with Windows Mobile...until I switch to something else and hate it.

    What is astonishing to me is how everyone who's been holding on for so long are just NOW jumping ship. I mean, we've been in this position for years now. Literally nothing has changed.
    You must be a blast at parties. 😝
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    10-19-2017 01:02 PM
  15. Tjalsma's Avatar
    What are "parties"? Haha!
    10-19-2017 01:35 PM
  16. Ingrid Willekens's Avatar
    I'm sticking to W10M as long as it keeps functioning on my phone. Right now, I have a 950. Should it die on me one day and the HP x 3 Elite is still available with W10 on board, I'll be replacing my 950 by the x 3. But I'll never buy an Iphone. I just hate those darn yuppie phones. Pretty sure Android won't work for me either so probably will go back to a classic cell phone with internet access and buy a tablet next to it. BTW, 90% of all time I use my 950 as a mini laptop, not as a phone. I love being able to use it with a bluetooth mouse and foldable keyboard when on the move. Or plug in a friend's usb stick to transfer a file to it for her/him. You should see the expression on their face when they see me doing that 😆 I'm really gonna miss all that 😭
    10-19-2017 05:23 PM
  17. Darrell Blackwood1's Avatar
    I have been a fan of Windows Phone since my first Nokia Lumia (Verizon 928). From there I went to the 929 (Icon) and then unto the 950 XL (Microsoft). My family has also enjoyed their Windows phones which include a Lumia 830; 950; and Alcatel Idol 4s. I recently purchased a OnePlus 5 due the the app gap. While the new phone is definitely faster on opening apps, it lacks the gui look style and finesse of my 950 XL. I recently used my new Droid to take pics at an outing, but quickly realized I preferred and wished I'd brought my 950 XL. I have options since I use GSM network and own my phones. I am NOT going to give up on MS yet. I'm looking forward to a true enterprise MS Window Phone. Until then, I will see-saw back and forth between Windows and droid. But WINDOWS is still my favorite.
    10-23-2017 08:53 AM
  18. Elky64's Avatar
    One thing Windows 10 Mobile does have going for it is regular bug fixes and security updates. And they will continue at least through the end of next year.

    Most Android phones never get any updates at all.
    Won't argue the fact Windows 10 Mobile gets LOTS of updates, but have they really improved its overall usability?

    Say the above because I just spent the last 9 days trying very hard to use my L950 as our daily driver, running FCU (1709). Besides being quite lethargic in every aspect, we ran into numerous annoyance, bugs, quirks, app crashes, etc that it was a constant reminder that “yup, this is Windows 10 Mobile alright”. No, not a constant barrage but enough to take the enjoyment out of using it. Came to a head today when made a phone call, person I was calling was unavailable and when we pulled phone from our ear to cancel the call, display refused to come back on.

    On the Android front, my LG G4 only had one major update from 5.1 Lollipop to 6.0 Marshmallow along w/several security updates. I’ve owned the phone for 2+ years with only ONE hard reset, ever, and it essentially runs circles around my 950. And to boot, its 7 months older than our 950.

    Own the Samsung Galaxy S7 for 19 months. Updated from 6.0 Marshmallow to 7.0 Nougat along with several security updates. There again, only ONE hard rest ever and still performs like the day I got it if not better.

    Also own the GS7 Edge, going on 5 months without a hard reset. No performance issues to speak of to-date.

    Although my Androids have seen little love on the update front they continue to be there for me without all the hassle 10 seems to bring, definitely not perfect but IMHO far superior under everyday use. So going by my personal experiences can’t say Windows 10 Mobile's regular updates are a positive.

    And just to note, we are not basing this off just one Windows Phone as we own two others. Even their progression, or lack thereof, has been proof (to me) that these updates have done little to sooth the soul.
    10-23-2017 09:26 PM
  19. G4Grandad's Avatar
    Yes,I get regular updates to my L830 but after they download to the phone it becomes a question if IF not WHEN the phone will turn on again to install it. The most recent update took 3 hours before the phone got past the blue Windows logo to wake up and another hour to install it. But the security software update to my Note 4 yesterday downloaded and installed without any issues. I love WM but can't trust or rely on it. I can trust/rely on Android but can't say I'll ever love it
    10-24-2017 02:50 AM
  20. Grant Taylor3's Avatar
    Well from 2 years ago my Lumia 950 has gotten better and better, more stable and smoother every build.



    I like this phone and like the default dark theme.



    The phone does what I want and is holding it's own 2 years into it's life.



    I see no need to change until the backend services start shutting down.



    I have zero need for a new phone. My wife is still using a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 that she got in 2013. I think it is on Android 5.1.
    Last edited by Grant Taylor3; 11-09-2017 at 02:49 AM.
    10-24-2017 04:50 AM
  21. Kevin fossy's Avatar
    Currently on a Lumia 950XL and have an iPhone 6S Plus as a spare. Due an upgrade in December and was initially considering the next W10M but I am now considering either the Nokia 8 or the Pixel 2 XL.

    I have Continuum so I've been trying to get more accustomed to using MS services on the 950XL that can be synchronised across iOS and Android versions of the apps.

    Plan for the switch is to maintain my L950XL in a non phone capacity for the storage, mobile app access & Continuum functionality. Android will become my personal phone and Ill move to using the iPhone for work. Will be keeping my Lumia until it dies.

    Just wish they'd improved Continuum more before throwing in the towel - it is still so restricted compared to W10.
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    10-24-2017 04:21 PM
  22. dov1978's Avatar
    Currently on a Lumia 950XL and have an iPhone 6S Plus as a spare. Due an upgrade in December and was initially considering the next W10M but I am now considering either the Nokia 8 or the Pixel 2 XL.

    I have Continuum so I've been trying to get more accustomed to using MS services on the 950XL that can be synchronised across iOS and Android versions of the apps.

    Plan for the switch is to maintain my L950XL in a non phone capacity for the storage, mobile app access & Continuum functionality. Android will become my personal phone and Ill move to using the iPhone for work. Will be keeping my Lumia until it dies.

    Just wish they'd improved Continuum more before throwing in the towel - it is still so restricted compared to W10.
    I wouldn't buy a Pixel 2 XL just yet. I was going to until the massive issues they're having right now with the displays. Preorders are being cancelled by the bucket load and many people returning them. I'd hold out to see if the problem gets rectified or maybe even wait for the Nokia 9 which isn't far away
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    10-24-2017 05:32 PM
  23. Nguyen1's Avatar
    I'm usually on the Blackberry forums, so I'm sticking with my Bold 9900 until the end. That said, I have NO problem using multiple devices, so while my Bold is my carry-around phone, I love to use my Lumia 830 on Win8.1 from time to time, plus my Acatel is great on Continuum, moreso than my normal desktop and without so many ads. BBOS7.1 is EOL, and apparently so are the WinMobile OSes, but I still find them very useful.

    I do have a nougat phone around in case I get hungry for some app. I even have an ancient Palm lying about! For games, well, why use a phone? That's so silly. Even the biggest one is TOO SMALL for good games. Use a tablet! That's what my ipad is for. :)
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    10-24-2017 06:41 PM
  24. gmfeld's Avatar
    I’m sticking with Windows Mobile as long as I can. I’ve been on Windows Phone forever, and I still love the OS. I don’t suffer from the app gap, but I get that lots do. I’ve read comments from too many users who switched to Android saying they miss Windows Mobile, but like having more apps. I have a 950 and I just bought a new 950 to make sure I can get through the next two years.
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    10-24-2017 07:14 PM
  25. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    What a silly statement. Most Android phones still receive updates even if they are just security patches on older phones. You really need to do your homework.
    I got two or three on my LG G2X. That was over several years. So, I guess it really depends, huh...
    10-25-2017 09:46 PM
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