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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    That’s an insult to garbage. I honestly feel the only camera worse than the Idol is, regrettably, another WP device: Dell Venue Pro. Like the Idol, it too was a gorgeous phone.
    OK, it’s subgarbage. Ubergarbage. Garbage the likes of this world has never seen! 🤣
    11-10-2017 12:54 PM
  2. Bill Block's Avatar
    The camera in my 950 XL is one of the reasons I am not moving on...it has no peers. My banking app uses the Microsoft Wallet for tap and pay. My company supports it for reading my office email. I have an app for my home automation. The Windows UI is superior to all of the alternatives. I really do not have any reason to move on...I just hope I never break the 950 XL because they do not make them anymore.
    11-12-2017 02:00 PM
  3. androzanigirl's Avatar
    I agree tried android and iphone and keep going back to my trusty lumia 620 just love the layout if windows phones have to get round lack of apps by going through browser i wont be defeated lol
    11-12-2017 04:55 PM
  4. werner6769's Avatar
    For those "sticking with it" I'd like to know how your web browsing experience is (any WM device). That has been one of my main complaints since the app-gap has broadened.

    Like yesterday, fired up my 950 just to browse the web - last used device over a week ago for 9-days as my daily driver - trying to access most sites via Edge or BlueSky was like watching paint dry and it felt as if we were thrown back several years in terms of technology. W10M IMHO has NEVER felt up to speed in this particular area and one reason it fails to fulfill my everyday duties. Can easily replicated same on our 650/830 too, somewhat more understandable considering their specs yet it still should be better, way better especially on our 950.

    Compared to my Android's it'd literally day and night so obviously you know what my go-to devices are... Actually have no issues with the "other" side but would like the ability to enjoy our Windows Phones when that urge comes about - have many more problems than just this but browsing the web in itself really cripples the their overall usability/usefulness.

    Any opinions, thoughts?
    Totally agree. The browser was never very good even when my phone was new and current. It is unusable now. My iphone 4 does better.
    11-12-2017 08:00 PM
  5. CrockettGTO's Avatar
    Funny as it may be. I am moving back to W10 Mobile. Hopefully permanently (have switched back and forth between all 3 major phone OSes for the last 8 years) I've had Galaxy Notes, Motorola E4, G, X, iPhone 3, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5S, 6, 6S+ 7 & 8+ and after this recent iPhone X announcement I can't do it anymore. Paying over a grand for a phone touted as revolutionary and having 2+ year old "innovations", I just couldn't stomach it any longer. Apple has truly gone from innovating to iterating. After a short stint, I returned my 8+ and bought an Idol 4S unlocked from MS store for 199USD. Beautiful phone, fast, light, sleek etc. but the camera is so lousy, I returned it after 5 days. I do miss the simplicity of the iOS camera, Image processing and camera hardware was really nice too.

    Moving back, I've purchased an Elite X3 used from a forum member and am excited to get it this week. I hear a lot of great things about the phone, and the camera is rumored to be much better now than at launch time due to multiple SW updates. I am hoping for the best.
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    11-12-2017 09:57 PM
  6. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    IPhone does better???
    (2) 640xl, (1) 1520, (5) 950 works flawlessly!

    Just right after a major update,but once I do a fresh clean install (don't use back up) everything works as it should.
    11-13-2017 05:06 PM
  7. Moskigirl's Avatar
    Well I don't know if I commented here before but I'll just say (again) that I wish Microsoft held the statu quo with Windows Mobile.
    I realize that the fact nobody ever thinks of WM10 allows us to have apps with fewer to no ads and no weird implementations/so-called improvements.

    Someone mentioned YouTube being plagued with ads in the Android version and I agree. On WM10 you can have an app like myTube that gives you the same functionalities as Youtube Red.

    Same for Messenger for Facebook. The W8 version was very good and didn't lag at all.

    The fact that we are being left aside makes us free from all those marketing tweaks they are trying to force on us on Android.

    I see it that way.

    It's certainly not the best phone OS ever but it does the job and that's all I'm asking from this phone.
    For all the fun (and battery drains) I have Android on my tablet, charging 24/7.
    11-14-2017 06:35 PM
  8. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Well I don't know if I commented here before but I'll just say (again) that I wish Microsoft held the statu quo with Windows Mobile.
    I realize that the fact nobody ever thinks of WM10 allows us to have apps with fewer to no ads and no weird implementations/so-called improvements.

    Someone mentioned YouTube being plagued with ads in the Android version and I agree. On WM10 you can have an app like myTube that gives you the same functionalities as Youtube Red.

    Same for Messenger for Facebook. The W8 version was very good and didn't lag at all.

    The fact that we are being left aside makes us free from all those marketing tweaks they are trying to force on us on Android.

    I see it that way.

    It's certainly not the best phone OS ever but it does the job and that's all I'm asking from this phone.
    For all the fun (and battery drains) I have Android on my tablet, charging 24/7.
    we're not being left behind...WCOS W10 PERIOD! One OS for all devices. Support until 2019. Then watch OEM'S pushing out W10 PC Phones.
    11-14-2017 10:05 PM
  9. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Ok, ok, ok, ...nay sayers...Then if what you say is true. WT? was all that about.. What is the point of W10 period? Your telling me that Microsoft is going to revert back to coming out with traditional desktop O.S.'s. REALLY? personally, I think those who think it's all over for phones concerning Microsoft are the ones in a dreamland. They have the business world, desktop, notebook world, yet they come out with W10 ; a hybrid between traditional O.S. and Mobile O.S...?? Come on man! No way they are bowing out. They are in it because there is no logical way they can go back without folding up camp.
    11-14-2017 10:27 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Ah, the exuberance of youth. I remember it well.
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    11-14-2017 10:54 PM
  11. Guytronic's Avatar
    Ah, the exuberance of youth. I remember it well.
    What is the poster above you talking about?
    11-14-2017 11:13 PM
  12. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Nope! Just know that Microsoft didn't create an OS with mobile and desktop built into one just to continue with standard desktop and notebook users. Only a Microsoft hater would think otherwise. Nadella wouldn't say either way but actually said phone wouldn't be what it is today as a standard phone. WCOS also allows OEM's to take one OS and install what features best fits that device. So, OEM's such as HP have already shown the willingness to build W10m phones. So! Why not phones which uses an OS that works all across platforms. So, explain a scenario which doesn't jeopardize Microsoft's long term relevancy in both business and residential. They must stay with both to maintain it
    11-15-2017 10:12 AM
  13. Guytronic's Avatar
    Nope! Just know that Microsoft didn't create an OS with mobile and desktop built into one just to continue with standard desktop and notebook users. Only a Microsoft hater would think otherwise. Nadella wouldn't say either way but actually said phone wouldn't be what it is today as a standard phone. WCOS also allows OEM's to take one OS and install what features best fits that device. So, OEM's such as HP have already shown the willingness to build W10m phones. So! Why not phones which uses an OS that works all across platforms. So, explain a scenario which doesn't jeopardize Microsoft's long term relevancy in both business and residential. They must stay with both to maintain it
    Who are you talking to?
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    11-15-2017 10:37 AM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Who are you talking to?
    Ask Ri-Ri

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    11-15-2017 02:36 PM
  15. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Oops! For Fatclue_98 and Guytronic no one else need to reply...(over)


    Oh...I need to talk to someone specific . My bad . I thought reading multiple posts and taking in to account what subject matters were being discussed and commenting on or about those subjects or point of views would solicit responses from those with inquiring minds. Might take a while but I'll try to respond to each and every individual post so you know I'm talking to you or not...lol
    Last edited by SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP; 11-15-2017 at 04:43 PM.
    11-15-2017 04:30 PM
  16. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    11-15-2017 04:59 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Ah, the exuberance of youth. I remember it well.
    Going to save the world, one MS user at a time.
    11-15-2017 05:34 PM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    Who are you talking to?
    Standing on a mountain with a megaphone, speaking to anyone who will listen.
    11-15-2017 05:35 PM
  19. Dave Sloan's Avatar
    Agreed don't really need apps. have very little trouble using the website instead. I don't need an app for every website. I do like the live tile elements of the Facebook and Twitter App though.
    11-15-2017 06:10 PM
  20. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Actually tgeekB...
    I doubt there is anyone more hopeful in wanting Microsoft to get to that goal they keep stating over and over again. I believe they have made several short sided mistakes trying to get there quickly. They didn't realize what they were asking of their overall company and it's many tentacles (divisions). I think Nadella has stepped in and realized this. I hope he understands Microsoft needs to shrink into a more centralized corporation. Meaning: If your end goal is to have one OS(WCOS) , then you cannot have several divisions working as their own company with their own stated set of goals. One OS across all platforms including Xbox... He must rein them in and engineering towards the stated goal. I think this is why for now, business, is their focus. WCOS (W10) will in itself supply the much needed features for mobile phones to come. Think about it.. If W10 (WCOS) works on all platforms then everything which is built upon it will negate the need to have a mobile department.
    11-15-2017 06:15 PM
  21. Guytronic's Avatar
    Threads getting weird.
    Not sure what it's about anymore.

    "Standing my ground" infers a battle of some sort.
    At my age I'd rather sit in a chair vs. standing my ground.
    Standing too long hurts my feet.
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    11-15-2017 06:30 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Actually tgeekB...
    I doubt there is anyone more hopeful in wanting Microsoft to get to that goal they keep stating over and over again. I believe they have made several short sided mistakes trying to get there quickly. They didn't realize what they were asking of their overall company and it's many tentacles (divisions). I think Nadella has stepped in and realized this. I hope he understands Microsoft needs to shrink into a more centralized corporation. Meaning: If your end goal is to have one OS(WCOS) , then you cannot have several divisions working as their own company with their own stated set of goals. One OS across all platforms including Xbox... He must rein them in and engineering towards the stated goal. I think this is why for now, business, is their focus. WCOS (W10) will in itself supply the much needed features for mobile phones to come. Think about it.. If W10 (WCOS) works on all platforms then everything which is built upon it will negate the need to have a mobile department.
    That's all fine and dandy but don't lose sight of the fact that shareholders need to be happy first and foremost. To that end, maybe you're not aware that Microsoft makes money on every single Android device that sells. It's the best kind too - pure profit since there's no overhead attached. Hardware has a myriad of costs attached to it which comes as no surprise why BlackBerry divested itself of its hardware division and let TCL handle those headaches. Is it any wonder why BB's P&L sheet looks so good lately?

    Microsoft is headed in the same general direction as they're pushing all their apps and services to iOS and Android. Sounds self-defeating but look at where Microsoft apps are on each of the 2 App Stores' charts. They're putting the name out there in the hopes that consumers associate Microsoft with top of the line apps and services. When the time is right, I'm sure Microsoft will take another stab at hardware. But don't expect any type of phone as we know it.
    11-15-2017 06:43 PM
  23. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    That's all fine and dandy but don't lose sight of the fact that shareholders need to be happy first and foremost. To that end, maybe you're not aware that Microsoft Microsoft with top of the line apps and services. When the time is right, I'm sure Microsoft will take another stab at hardware. But don't expect any type of phone as we know it.
    I agree with Android and Iphone apps. The hardware aspect not so much. I think they will make some but more so on the business side and good luck affording those devices. I think WCOS will open up W10 phones to the masses through OEM's, HP, IBM, Dell, HTC, Samsung.....I think Microsoft increases the hardware eventually but after the OEM'S do the heavy lifting. Microsoft is positioned well to have it's cake, (ADRD, APLLE APPS) and eat (OEM) it to if they can shrink the company into a more efficient and one minded entity.
    Side note: Android, Apple , OEMS, should lead to bleed over into Microsoft devices as well.
    11-15-2017 07:36 PM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    I agree with Android and Iphone apps. The hardware aspect not so much. I think they will make some but more so on the business side and good luck affording those devices. I think WCOS will open up W10 phones to the masses through OEM's, HP, IBM, Dell, HTC, Samsung.....I think Microsoft increases the hardware eventually but after the OEM'S do the heavy lifting. Microsoft is positioned well to have it's cake, (ADRD, APLLE APPS) and eat (OEM) it to if they can shrink the company into a more efficient and one minded entity.
    Side note: Android, Apple , OEMS, should lead to bleed over into Microsoft devices as well.
    I just don’t see this happening anytime in the near future. Those OEM’s have attempted to develop hardware for MS and it has been a dismal failure. It will be hard to convince them to continue when Apple and Android clearly lead the market. We’ve been hearing about magic bullets from MS for a long time but I don’t see any real commitment. As previously stated, they are (smartly) following the path of BlackBerry who one owned the mobile market. Things may change down the road but that road is many miles long.
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    11-15-2017 07:42 PM
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    11-15-2017 08:24 PM
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