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  1. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Windows central app still a little quarky. Above was to go with this...hmm
    To TgeekB:
    They must do this by 2019 if not before. WCOS rumored to be out by late 2018.


    Keep in mind...They all already sell W10 pc, notebook, and tablets....I predict phones bundled with each devices(s). A great way to promote seamless connectivity as and 1. WCOS means no additional OS...it is the same as what is on desktop, notebook, and tablets. Microsoft may need to throw in an incentive like buy two devices covered as one OS. Buy two for the price of one... Bundle the crap out of them. Get the devices in as many hands as possible.
    Last edited by SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP; 11-15-2017 at 09:38 PM.
    11-15-2017 09:27 PM
  2. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    If you haven't figured it out yet? I'm standing My ground. I don't know exactly what Microsoft will do. I just know W10 was created with a purpose and Microsoft is all in because of W10. There is no turning back now. They must push to carve a spot out in the mobile platform to stay relevant. One can only wait and hope they do.
    11-15-2017 10:49 PM
  3. Guytronic's Avatar
    If you haven't figured it out yet? I'm standing My ground. I don't know exactly what Microsoft will do. I just know W10 was created with a purpose and Microsoft is all in because of W10. There is no turning back now. They must push to carve a spot out in the mobile platform to stay relevant. One can only wait and hope they do.
    Again...
    Who are you addressing?
    In your replies you can add "@username" or simply quote the user to point the discussion for focus.

    Your replies are hard to follow currently.
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    11-16-2017 02:09 AM
  4. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    To: Guytronic
    Again if I cared if you and only you need to respond I will address you specifically as this statement is directed to you Guytronic. Otherwise if no one is listed specifically then anyone that is following the thread can respond if said statement strikes a chord or not respond if such chord isn't struck. Quit trying to push your perceived format onto others. I I respond without a quote or a specific name then... It is meant for who ever feels it (with in themselves) worth a response. As for focus. ??? Pointing it into focus for discussion. That is what my statements and words are for.
    11-19-2017 06:41 PM
  5. Guytronic's Avatar
    To: Guytronic
    Again if I cared if you and only you need to respond I will address you specifically as this statement is directed to you Guytronic. Otherwise if no one is listed specifically then anyone that is following the thread can respond if said statement strikes a chord or not respond if such chord isn't struck. Quit trying to push your perceived format onto others. I I respond without a quote or a specific name then... It is meant for who ever feels it (with in themselves) worth a response. As for focus. ??? Pointing it into focus for discussion. That is what my statements and words are for.
    Message received...
    If you want to post in a confusing manner we will be more than happy to accommodate.
    11-19-2017 06:44 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    To: Guytronic
    Again if I cared if you and only you need to respond I will address you specifically as this statement is directed to you Guytronic. Otherwise if no one is listed specifically then anyone that is following the thread can respond if said statement strikes a chord or not respond if such chord isn't struck. Quit trying to push your perceived format onto others. I I respond without a quote or a specific name then... It is meant for who ever feels it (with in themselves) worth a response. As for focus. ??? Pointing it into focus for discussion. That is what my statements and words are for.
    I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying here either.
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    11-19-2017 06:45 PM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    To: Guytronic
    Again if I cared if you and only you need to respond I will address you specifically as this statement is directed to you Guytronic. Otherwise if no one is listed specifically then anyone that is following the thread can respond if said statement strikes a chord or not respond if such chord isn't struck. Quit trying to push your perceived format onto others. I I respond without a quote or a specific name then... It is meant for who ever feels it (with in themselves) worth a response. As for focus. ??? Pointing it into focus for discussion. That is what my statements and words are for.
    Sir, @Guytronic is a forum moderator. It's his duty to keep the boards in a uniform manner. It's not perception.
    11-19-2017 07:51 PM
  8. darrell reimer's Avatar
    So i picked up a V30, and have been trying it out. It came with a 14 return option. After using it for 2 weeks, I returned it today. In many ways it's such a great phone. Love how it feels; the rounded corners; great screen; so many great things; BUT:
    The camera;( It's ok, but compared to my 950XL, it noticeably inferior. I see reviews stating it's 'Good'; well, that's not 'Great', and my 950 XL camera is 'Fantastic'. There's WAY too big of a gap between 'Good' and 'Fantastic'. The front camera is even worse, especially indoors in low light. Too bad. The Android versions of all the apps I've been using on my Windows phone are so much better (ie they work). Spotify on my 950 XL is so finicky and unstable, it's almost useless. And this is what makes me MAD! I don't want to switch, but i feel i'm almost being forced to. I love Window 10 mobile; i love my 950 XL hardware, but....the apps are so inferior or missing from our ecosystem. I've gone back to my 950 XL for the time being; i like the 4:3 aspect ratio; i'm not convinced the new 18:9 screens are the way to go; they seem to 'tall and narrow'.
    But the camera is the deal breaker for me....look at the difference, especially the pink flower pot...
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    11-19-2017 09:09 PM
  9. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Keep it simple. I don't use a billion apps, I use 1 app at a time. So, for phone calls to Excel spreadsheet to Live Tiles I'm staying with Microsoft Windows products. Looking to the next innovation that the others will copy and take credit for, Humm! Enough said!
    This sums me up too.
    11-19-2017 10:41 PM
  10. nasznjoka's Avatar
    So i picked up a V30, and have been trying it out. It came with a 14 return option. After using it for 2 weeks, I returned it today. In many ways it's such a great phone. Love how it feels; the rounded corners; great screen; so many great things; BUT:
    The camera;( It's ok, but compared to my 950XL, it noticeably inferior. I see reviews stating it's 'Good'; well, that's not 'Great', and my 950 XL camera is 'Fantastic'. There's WAY too big of a gap between 'Good' and 'Fantastic'. The front camera is even worse, especially indoors in low light. Too bad. The Android versions of all the apps I've been using on my Windows phone are so much better (ie they work). Spotify on my 950 XL is so finicky and unstable, it's almost useless. And this is what makes me MAD! I don't want to switch, but i feel i'm almost being forced to. I love Window 10 mobile; i love my 950 XL hardware, but....the apps are so inferior or missing from our ecosystem. I've gone back to my 950 XL for the time being; i like the 4:3 aspect ratio; i'm not convinced the new 18:9 screens are the way to go; they seem to 'tall and narrow'.
    But the camera is the deal breaker for me....look at the difference, especially the pink flower pot...
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    haven't it occured to you that you picked a bad phone?? Android gotta lotta of phones you pick one , not impressed with the camera you come back crying, c'mon men ever heard of Samsung,OnePlus, Moto etc etc .... iphone anyone??
    11-20-2017 12:09 AM
  11. cckgz4's Avatar
    I was like this like 5 years ago. I was so happy with with my Nokia 900. My dream Phone was the 720 to be honest. I loved the development community that helped bring apps to winpho when no one else would. I liked being the only person having windows phone amongst my friends. Then Microsoft took away the core features and starting giving their services to the competition, I went somewhere else. Currently with an iPhone 7 Plus. I have access to every competitor’s app so why leave?
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    11-20-2017 12:33 AM
  12. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Nearly two weeks removed from the platform and I gotta say, not regretting it yet. Yes, win10m has unique features that set it apart from the rest. But, being able to "get with the times" is something it can't deliver. I've been using Launcher 10 so my wife and I dint get too homesick, but other than that, being able to check into flights with a notification from an app vs setting an alarm to knowing we can have any app we want, even if we don't use it, has been eye opening to say the least. Each of our pixel phones have every app we had on win10m, because the basics were there. But being able to grasp the severity of the app gap from the outside has been the most eye opening. The look, speed, and seeing numerous updates since starting in the OS has been amazing. They care! Meanwhile win10m apps receive maybe one to two major updates a year and are buggy. I'm not bashing the platform, and to be honest I feel we will be back in a couple of years once MS gets their $hit together regarding mobile. But having said the above I do miss it. I miss the detail of my 950xl camera but you know what I don't miss? Waiting to save and missing moments. The pixel 2 camera is not as detailed at the 950, but stfu if you don't believe it's a more capable camera. We aren't photographers by trade so quit acting like you all use manual and set up every shot. Being able to rattle off 7-10 straight shots without stalling or feeling the phone get warm can't be put aside for fan boy reasons. And knowing that MS threw in the towel on it, no reason to stick around. The issues I had with the X3 freezing will never get fixed, imo, as there is no motivation from either party to do so. They don't care, why should we?
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    11-20-2017 12:30 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    haven't it occured to you that you picked a bad phone?? Android gotta lotta of phones you pick one , not impressed with the camera you come back crying, c'mon men ever heard of Samsung,OnePlus, Moto etc etc .... iphone anyone??
    He did state that he doesn't like the 2:1 aspect ratio that seems to be all the rage. That eliminates any new Samsung or the iPhone X. Now are you going to say any Moto or OPO has a better camera than a 950? We can agree the app gap is very real or W10M plain sucks for some, but there's no denying the 950 has an unmatched camera even considering today's best phones.
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    11-20-2017 08:40 PM
  14. SUCKITUPBUTTERCUP's Avatar
    Food for thought:
    Exactly what I said'" pointed in the right direction! Nadella had no choice. One company. One mindset. One direction. The cloud will be their common denominator and mobile will be their overarching goal.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...ulture-2017-9/
    11-22-2017 10:50 PM
  15. PerfectReign's Avatar
    I don't remember if I posted this or not.

    One of my friends, a longtime WP and WM user, finally went with the horrid SGS8 and ditched his 950xl. He sent me a picture of all his Microsoft phone boxes lined up. Lots of investment down the drain:




    Sent from mTalk on my HP Elite X3
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    11-23-2017 09:37 AM
  16. RPG2's Avatar
    I'll add my two cents. Six months on Android and now I am firmly back to W10M, and never been happier.
    Full disclosure my background is in computer science and software engineering.
    Dev to dev manager, product management, sales engineering - I know how software development works.

    When my trusty 1520 died I switched to an inexpensive Chinese handset and was amazed by how good it was despite the low price tag.
    Apps can be excellent but a pain to find - for every good app there are 100 crappy ones.
    Google play store is terrible. No rating system to speak of or it doesn't work. Prepared to be confused.

    Switched to S7 Edge. Beautiful but fragile - broke the screen in a month. Case & screen protector is a must. Incredibly frustrating and so unstable.

    Frankly Android is powerful but an absolute mess. It's been forked, abused and turned into a franken-monster.
    You can do anything with it - but it's hopelessly complex, the classic sign of a base system that has had too much functionality added to it and desperately needs a reboot and complete refactoring. Even simple things like suppressing app notifications has 5 different settings areas that may need to be adjusted.

    The whole OS desperately needs some major UI/UX standardization. I'm convinced google does not have a single UX designer - or certainly they have no say in anything. The overall interface on android is so mismatched - nothing works the same because it's clearly been developed by software engineers.
    Android does so much but everything is almost complete - and almost completely broken.
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    11-23-2017 05:51 PM
  17. RPG2's Avatar
    ...Continued from before (forum span filter made me split this up)

    When I broke my S7E a second time I decided to try the 950XL.
    I can't believe people called this cheap feeling because I love the clean lines. Simple. Plus no case needed, ever.

    Incredible camera; I am always comparing my shots with my GF's iPhone 8 plus and the 950XL win 80% of the time.
    Normals take pictures at restaurant/bar bday parties or nights out. The 950XL (and my 1520) typically crushes most other cameras in this area.

    I lost some apps in the switch back but I am not missing any of them - everything I was doing before I am doing now. With way less headache.
    I kept my Chinese phone for any apps that I don't have - but haven't used it in weeks.

    It's the classic 80/20 problem - W10M does the 80 percent MUCH better; OS/settings/mail/calender/messaging/photos are just better. Period.
    The last 20 percent on W10M is weak. If you care deeply about that last 20 then Android is better for you.

    Anyways. I am back and will stay as long as I can. Seen the other side, but it's not for me.
    11-23-2017 05:52 PM
  18. darrell reimer's Avatar
    Well said RPG2! I've tried to 'switch' many times, but keep coming back. After 2 weeks with the 18:9 screen of the Lg V30, i'm so happy with my 950 XL screen size! I don't know why everyone is raving about 18:9. I've got a work issued iPad, that's not 18:9. I've got a Surface 3, that's not 18:9. Don't quite know why everyone is jumping on this bandwagon...
    Yes...the apps on Android are more refined...and totally full of ads! I can't believe how many ads pop up; i was using Android pay/wallet to check into the gym, and a stupid add popped up; you can't 'buy' a version of Android pay to get rid of the ads (i don't think...). Super dumb....
    Yes..Spotify on Android works so much better...i really wish we'd get an update!
    But...my 950 XL camera knocks the sox off of everything else i've tried and seen. The grass may seem greener on the other side, but not quite green enough for me yet....
    Last edited by darrell reimer; 11-25-2017 at 10:21 PM.
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    11-25-2017 01:40 AM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well said RPG2! I've tried to 'switch' many times, but keep coming back. After 2 weeks with the 18:9 screen of the Lg V30, i'm so happy with my 950 XL screen size! I don't know why everyone is raving about 18:9. I've got a work issued iPad, that's not 18:9. I've got a Surface 3, that's not 18:9. Don't quite know why everyone is jumping on this bandwagon...
    Yes...the apps on Android are more refined...and totally full of adds! I can't believe how many adds pop up; i was using Android pay/wallet to check into the gym, and a stupid add popped up; you can't 'buy' a version of Android pay to get rid of the adds (i don't think...). Super dumb....
    Yes..Spotify on Android works so much better...i really wish we'd get an update!
    But...my 950 XL camera knocks the sox off of everything else i've tried and seen. The grass may seem greener on the other side, but not quite green enough for me yet....
    Do you mean “ads”?
    11-25-2017 08:00 AM
  20. TV3's Avatar
    Who else is with me? Till the bitter end we stick together, we will make it through, and we know good things come to those who wait.
    After a week of debating what to do I have today purchased a Lumia 950 with the sole aim of keeping me going for 12 months to the next decision point. I looked at Andriod and towards the Google Pixel but my heart was not in it.

    Windows 10 Mobile user for 2018 at least.
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    11-28-2017 04:24 PM
  21. MrockNroll's Avatar
    Great news, glad to hear that you will be here for Another year. Hang in there TV3.
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    11-28-2017 06:13 PM
  22. beman39's Avatar
    so a couple of days ago my GF gets herself an Iphone and I have been helping her set it up and do some things on it to customize it to her liking for the last 2 days... and man I gotta say IOS SUCKS!!! alot of extra steps for nothing and WTH? no back button and just other little things that make it more user UNFRIENDLY... as much as I hate android its far better than IOS... like seriously what do you people see in it? do you just like it cuzz you wanna follow the crowd? LOL good example why WM10 is better, selecting multiple emails if you would like to delete some spam is tedious to say the least, yes you can select multiple emails by selecting them one by one and lets say you have 500 emails you can't just choose within a folder like "archived" emails, which I don't know how that happened with my GF's emails but she ended up with 580 emails that IOS decided to archive for her and so we tried to select the whole 580 but couldn't, she had to select 1 by 1 and then delete them all... so it took her about 20 min to select all 580 and delete them... really?? thats just 1 example of many annoying attributes of IOS and I don't have all day to list them and go over it in here... but I will be sticking with my HP X3 till it no longer functioning and then I will grudgingly move to Android.. even my GF prefers Android and will be bringing back her iPhone and keep using her Samsung phone... I can't wrap my head around why IOS is so popular. and worst of it all, there is no way to add xtra memory... what you got is what you're stuck with, and then ontop of it you have to save everything to the cloud which Apple only gives you 5GB after that you are FORCED to pay for bigger amount which is a MUST in this day and age of 4k recordings and 20MP photo's... sorry man but that's a racket! my GF has 100GB of music photo's and video's and OH! don't get me started on itunes! LOL no man all you/US that wanna stick with WM10 don't feel bad or weird or anything, just be glad and proud and thankful we have a choice to use WM10... I think its insane that nadella thinks we don't need 3rd choice for mobile device because my recent experience has shown me that we need WM10 or other choices more than anything! I just pray MS comes out with a Surface phone or whatever they wanna call it!
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    11-29-2017 10:40 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Nice rant. Sadly it's all true. Equally sad is that we have about another year and a half before we are forced to adopt either one. My suggestion, try each one (as a spare) and get familiar with them to see which one suits you best. It's no longer a question of if, but when.

    Sent from my Idol 4S on mTalk
    11-29-2017 01:19 PM
  24. anthonyng's Avatar
    Lol i recently went on a iPhone rant in a WhatsApp group of my friends on basic thing of emails. Work made me have one.

    In other news, just bought the idol4s in Canada for 199 over the weekend. Wanted an X3 for dual sim, but more for the 820 chipset for better continuum and team viewer to my work machine while on vacation if needed
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    11-29-2017 02:44 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    Ahh, another “people use iPhone because they want to follow the crowd” rant. Perhaps they want to follow a company that supports its mobile users?
    There is plenty wrong with every OS, including Windows. Pick the one that works best for you. No rant necessary.
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    11-29-2017 05:16 PM
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