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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    I’m convinced there was no room for a third major smartphone maker. Too difficult for app developers to keep up. The best two won.
    Someday, if the ecosystems change, it could be different.
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    08-03-2019 11:14 AM
  2. Polychrome's Avatar
    Poked in here out of curiosity, and decided to share my "in between" setup.

    Currently still using my lumia 735. It still does the job. Oddly my favorite app is a 3rd party Reddit app. (Because the first party one is downright terrible, I don't care what device or OS you're using.) Other apps are slowly getting rotated in or out based on what is no longer functioning. I ended up replacing groove with "Loco Delight", which is very very nice.

    A few years ago, I started bluetooth tethering an iPod to it for anything "appy" that couldn't be handled from the Windows Phone. (Which these days, amounts to a game or two, as most any online service still has everything available via their mobile website.) This year the iPod 7th gen was released and I picked it up. Not too much difference, it's just faster, includes more drive space, and handles more games. I use Verizon Messages+ and it allows normal texting and even phone calls if I can't find my phone.

    I feel like I'm in a weird situation. Android, to me, is out of the question. Years ago I would have said it'd be the other way around, but Google is getting downright creepy on way too many levels. If this 735 doesn't hold out, I'll likely be buying an iPhone, and cringe the whole way to the store.

    Still believing in the PC-in-the-pocket for now. Samsung's flop with the fold gave me a lot of insight as to what was taking so darn long. Curious as to what will happen in the future, but I'm sticking it out.
    08-03-2019 11:39 AM
  3. Elky64's Avatar
    no. not just "ME" lets put the obvious thing aside, if WMP was given the attention and effort it deserved like MSFT did with the Surface line or like "Windows" (MSFT's bread and butter) and app devs gave it the attention and made all the apps and was an equal contender like the other 2 phones, you would totally being singing a different tune! c'mon be honest! ONLY reason you're saying it isn't superior is because of the lack of apps and attention that it got from the start! the whole integration of Windows mobile is better than ADroid and iPhone... it has better things like how Cortana handled your day to day things and appointments or reading txt messages to you while driving and I know I keep bringing this up but its such a great function and it blows my mind that ADroid or iPhone haven't bothered to implement this into their phones! I truly miss this on my Windows phone! especially how rampant txting while driving is nowadays! distracted drivers are now one of the biggest reasons for accidents today when it used to be drinking and driving! only when self driving cars are fully functional on the road that will change. stop bringing into it "the app gap" and when you "REALLY" think about it... Windows Mobile is way better!
    "IF" in regards to WM/WP is history so why keep bringing up what will never be?

    And no I am not just saying it because the apps are lacking. My Droid's have much superior, battery technology (fast charging/longevity), performance, biometrics, consistency, reliability. Updates come through w/o holding me hostage for hour(s). Hard resets are almost non-existent. Always have access to bleeding edge technology if we so chose. Hand warmers, what's that? And yes apps are an integral part as without them I personally would be left in the lurch 80-85% time in regards to my needs if we were still using WM.

    No offence but you do bring up the handsfree communication apect lots. Is your life so full that another platform can't suffice even if it means you'd have to stop more often to smell the roses? It's one thing to enjoy something yet when it takes control of you rather than YOU taking control of it then we've got a problem Houston(imo)... My smart-home gets equal interaction voice and physical seeing no need for it to be one-sided.

    Thinking about it... Yes Windows Mobile "could have been" way better but the reality is, it will never be... Now!
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    08-03-2019 12:26 PM
  4. Elky64's Avatar
    I’m convinced there was no room for a third major smartphone maker. Too difficult for app developers to keep up. The best two won.
    Someday, if the ecosystems change, it could be different.
    Anyone thinking of taken on that task would find the climb almost insurmountable. It'd likely take years, lots of $$$, before they'd see the fruits of their labour. Could start now getting prepared for the next generation, those that haven't seen the light of day being none the wiser LOL.
    08-03-2019 12:39 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    I’m convinced there was no room for a third major smartphone maker. Too difficult for app developers to keep up. The best two won.
    Someday, if the ecosystems change, it could be different.
    I agree. If there is any entity on the face of the earth that could have done it, it's Microsoft. Microsoft tried, and failed.
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    08-03-2019 06:59 PM
  6. EFats's Avatar
    I agree. If there is any entity on the face of the earth that could have done it, it's Microsoft. Microsoft tried, and failed.
    Nope, I think they're taking a different approach. There is room for a 3rd platform, but it all comes down to the apps. Who's going to bother writing for a 3rd platform? Everybody. If that 3rd platform is Windows.
    Microsoft has laid all the groundwork for that already. The most important was actually the UI, I think.
    If you have a phone that runs standard Windows applications, you'd immediately eliminate the "app gap" in one blow. Does Windows have a UI designed to run on smaller screens and portable devices? Yes. Does Windows run on ARM processors? Yes. (I don't mean Windows RT).
    If they are promising 20 hours of active use on a massive laptop with Windows 10 on ARM, I think they can get a day out of a phone sized device.
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    08-03-2019 11:21 PM
  7. Polychrome's Avatar
    That's the thing. If whatever device they come out with has the full capability of a desktop machine, down to the x86 and x64, the app gap reverses instantly. The library of available PC software is so enormous that android and iPhone would need decades to catch up. Webapps already exist for most everything else (vast majority of "apps" are glorified web links). iTunes and apple music? Already there! Various IoT home devices? Covered. Smartwatches? Heck, last I checked, some smartwatches already sync with a computer if available.

    Screw snapchat if I can run Steam on the darn thing!

    Does it need to outsell every other phone instantly? No. In fact it doesn't need to outsell other devices at all. But the merits of such a device would get an instant foothold and open door. And to be honest this is what they've been trying to do ever since those tiny little windows CE palmtops.
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    08-04-2019 12:02 PM
  8. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    that's just it, they were not a loser phone business in a sense, had they did things "RIGHT" from the beginning we could have had a 3rd option and Windows Mobile phones could've been more successful and profitable "EASILY" Biggest mistake was not pushing mobile companies like AT&T and others to market their phones, next big nono, they never advertised WMP accept a couple of times here and there with their L1020 and had they done so, more people would have known there was a 3rd option at the big cell companies, which brings me back to my first point of mobile companies pushing for windows phone, cuzz they only pushed (AD)roid and iPhone… a lot of my friends didn't even know about WMP and didn't know there was a 3rd option except from what I have been telling them!... and there's a plethora of other things they coulda done, list too big to post here LOL... basically what they wanted was to have their phones be successful like the SP3 line and newer with no commercialization and no effort and expect it to become a huge hit! which no doubt the surface line is an amazing product which survived on its own merits. but WM needed the backing of MSFT... so of course it didn't work out... I Know some of you are going to roll your eyes or facepalm but windows mobile is superior to ADroid and iPhone in every aspect of usage and convenience and great integration of little things like Cortana reading my txt messages to me while I drive and being able to answer also while never taking my eyes off the road.. ADroid forget it! there's so many example of things like that, that I can give but don't have the patience to write everything LOL I'm already getting CTS from writing this post! lmao
    There’s no third OS because capitalism and development only need and will support two. Whether it’s Microsoft and unlimited resources or BlackBerry and limited resources, capitalism and development only want duopoly since a monopoly isn’t allowed. It speaks nothing about quality or quantity just who are the first two getting devs on board. That’s why standard OS is Microsoft/Apple for now and probably will be for awhile.
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    09-03-2019 11:45 PM
  9. ochhanz's Avatar
    There’s no third OS because capitalism and development only need and will support two. Whether it’s Microsoft and unlimited resources or BlackBerry and limited resources, capitalism and development only want duopoly since a monopoly isn’t allowed. It speaks nothing about quality or quantity just who are the first two getting devs on board. That’s why standard OS is Microsoft/Apple for now and probably will be for awhile.
    , there is a third OS rising though (besides some asian OS'ses); KaiOS. It is more meant for cheap/feature phones but it does have whatsapp, facebook, youtube etc. I wish it would value privacy features a bit more (like e.g. sailfish) but than again they would than probably miss the (money and app/features) investments of Google etc they now have.
    09-04-2019 09:19 AM
  10. aximtreo's Avatar
    After reading all of the post giving opinions for 3 OS's phone systems, I can only state my simple response:

    "IF" a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his *** when he hopped.
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    09-04-2019 10:48 AM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    There’s no third OS because capitalism and development only need and will support two. Whether it’s Microsoft and unlimited resources or BlackBerry and limited resources, capitalism and development only want duopoly since a monopoly isn’t allowed. It speaks nothing about quality or quantity just who are the first two getting devs on board. That’s why standard OS is Microsoft/Apple for now and probably will be for awhile.
    Doesn’t quality or quantity develop through support and meeting customer expectations?
    Is a duopoly a bad thing? How many potential OS’s do we need?
    How much wood could a woodchuck chuck.....
    09-04-2019 05:20 PM
  12. nate0's Avatar
    I doubt anyone really cares much about that anymore. If they do they shouldn't. There are much bigger fish to fry than being an OS of choice from my perspective.
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    09-05-2019 02:43 AM
  13. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    There’s no third OS because capitalism and development only need and will support two. Whether it’s Microsoft and unlimited resources or BlackBerry and limited resources, capitalism and development only want duopoly since a monopoly isn’t allowed. It speaks nothing about quality or quantity just who are the first two getting devs on board.
    True. Most don't know that before Gates founded Microsoft, he opened a small chain of Taco fast food restaurants. When they went bankrupt, Bill blamed it on the world only needing the burger or chicken places that existed before, concluding no other type of fast food is viable.
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    09-05-2019 12:51 PM
  14. nate0's Avatar
    True. Most don't know that before Gates founded Microsoft, he opened a small chain of Taco fast food restaurants. When they went bankrupt, Bill blamed it on the world only needing the burger or chicken places that existed before, concluding no other type of fast food is viable.
    Awesome Right there. Don't worry about what's around you. The more you focus on it the more you are a product of it...
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    09-05-2019 03:54 PM
  15. naddy6969's Avatar
    "Nope, I think they're taking a different approach. There is room for a 3rd platform, but it all comes down to the apps"

    There is no 3rd platform anywhere. In IBM mainframes, you have IBM's z/OS (plus variants) and Linux. In PC servers, you have Linux and Windows. On the desktop/laptop, you have Windows and MacOS.

    Why should phones be any different?

    Remember, PCs didn't really take off until there was a single standard. We had Apple 2s, Radio Shack TRS-80s (with various incompatibilities between models), CP/M systems from dozens of companies (with various incompatibilities between models/companies), the Apple 3, the Apple Lisa and the Apple Mac.

    Not to mention the various Commodore, Atari, Amiga, Texas Instruments systems. And on and on and on.

    None of these were software compatible with each other. Imagine being a software house in 1983, having to potentially code for a dozen different systems. At one point Radio Shack had 5 different machines, all incompatible with each other. Apple had 4.

    Talk about a nightmare.

    Then the IBM PC came along in 1981. All of the above machines were gone by 1988, except the Mac.

    Two systems are enough. Yes, "it all comes down to the apps". The fact is, no one is going to code for 3 systems. We have 2 well established, popular phone systems. A 3rd is simply not needed, and will not get any dev support.

    If a 3rd comes along, it will only be a success if it manages to displace one of the others. Good luck with that. As someone above said, "If anyone could have done it, it was Microsoft. They tried and failed."
    Last edited by naddy6969; 09-05-2019 at 05:30 PM.
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    09-05-2019 04:37 PM
  16. nate0's Avatar
    "Nope, I think they're taking a different approach. There is room for a 3rd platform, but it all comes down to the apps"

    There is no 3rd platform anywhere. In mainframes, you have IBM's z/OS (plus variants) and Linux. In PC servers, you have Linux and Windows. On the desktop/laptop, you have Windows and MacOS.

    Why should phones be any different?

    Remember, PCs didn't really take off until there was a single standard. We had Apple 2s, Radio Shack TRS-80s (with various incompatibilities between models), CP/M systems from dozens of companies (with various incompatibilities between models/companies), the Apple 3, the Apple Lisa and the Apple Mac.

    Not to mention the various Commodore, Atari, Amiga, Texas Instruments systems. And on and on and on.

    None of these were software compatible with each other. Imagine being a software house in 1983, having to potentially code for a dozen different systems. At one point Radio Shack had 5 different machines, all incompatible with each other. Apple had 4.

    Talk about a nightmare.

    Then the IBM PC came along in 1981. All of the above machines were gone by 1988, except the Mac.

    Two systems are enough. Yes, "it all comes down to the apps". The fact is, no one is going to code for 3 systems. We have 2 well established, popular phone systems. A 3rd is simply not needed, and will not get any dev support.

    If a 3rd comes along, it will only be a success if it manages to displace one of the others. Good luck with that. As someone above said, "If anyone could have done it, it was Microsoft. They tried and failed."
    That is the issue is that folks keep thinking phones. They see phones and think iOS or Android and the infamous Windows phone (RIP). The thing they forget is Windows can run on any device (granted that a Device Maker builds it to run). Currently if you want a mobile phone you need Apple or Android. There is no need for a third to come along because it is already here in a sense. Microsoft just has to decide to pave the path laid out for pocket-able devices to be released. I personally could easily switch back to the Microsoft platform for a personal mobile device if a viable device came along that could do texting phone calls and run the OS as it is today for Windows 10....
    09-05-2019 05:25 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Microsoft just has to decide to pave the path laid out for pocket-able devices to be released.
    There’s a reason Microsoft has decided not to pave that path. If they thought it would be successful, they would.
    09-05-2019 05:52 PM
  18. nate0's Avatar
    There’s a reason Microsoft has decided not to pave that path. If they thought it would be successful, they would.
    Why do you believe this?
    09-05-2019 05:57 PM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    Why do you believe this?
    Has it happened? I’ve been hearing about this for a while now.
    09-05-2019 06:14 PM
  20. nate0's Avatar
    Has it happened? I’ve been hearing about this for a while now.
    I meant why you believe Microsoft thinks this will not be successful. We all know it has not happened yet...
    09-05-2019 06:19 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    I meant why you believe Microsoft thinks this will not be successful. We all know it has not happened yet...
    We all know these large companies do studies that help direct their strategic direction. If their information showed a device like this would be successful, I would think we would have some information on it by now.
    I have nothing to back my belief except lack of said device.
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    09-05-2019 06:23 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If we lived in a vacuum I believe Microsoft would probably flirt with a “pocket PC” that makes phone calls. Actually, I think the phone segment would still be around but I digress. But we don’t live in an Electrolux and shareholders want ROI, not game changers. The cloud has been driving the profits bus and it’s not making any stops. That’s my $.02 for what it’s worth.
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    09-05-2019 06:42 PM
  23. nate0's Avatar
    But we don’t live in an Electrolux and shareholders want ROI, not game changers.
    How do they compare to Rainbow?
    09-05-2019 08:35 PM
  24. anthonyng's Avatar
    I'm just surprised this one windows journey on any device took so much longer than they touted initially. Like they sold me on the idea with windows 8, I bought stock because of that and the Lumia 920 lol.
    They had to go with so many stop gaps, bit by bit another product type, what a journey.
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    09-07-2019 01:16 PM
  25. ManofGod1000's Avatar
    I'm just surprised this one windows journey on any device took so much longer than they touted initially. Like they sold me on the idea with windows 8, I bought stock because of that and the Lumia 920 lol.
    They had to go with so many stop gaps, bit by bit another product type, what a journey.

    Yeah, it was a good journey that sadly had to come to an end. Oh well, it was fun well it lasted.
    09-09-2019 01:08 PM
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