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  1. AndyCalling's Avatar
    10-05-2017 04:34 AM
  2. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Entirely expected, many saw this happening miles away.

    Burnt bridges, Microsoft... burnt bridges.

    Burnt bridges do not rebuild themselves.

    Trust is the hardest bridge to make and the easiest to break.

    Respect is the other, confidence is tied to that and once confidence is lost, all respect is lost because if a party in a transaction no longer has any modicum of respect of the other party, then there is no confidence in their ability to fulfil their side of the deal.

    Simple business 101.
    Elky64, jmshub, xandros9 and 8 others like this.
    10-05-2017 05:58 AM
  3. mb-dape's Avatar
    "Nick Lazaridis, HP’s EMEA President, explained that the company was actually working on several new products running Windows 10 Mobile, but they’re all being abandoned now because of Microsoft’s decision to abandon the operating system."

    This was what Microsoft wanted, OEMs launching devices with Windows 10 Mobile. And W10M would be for enterprise first.

    And now when they got one of the largest enterprise focused OEMs to develop and release several products with W10M, MS just kills the OS.

    I think that's as stupid as it can be.
    10-05-2017 06:33 AM
  4. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Yea, this is what they SAID they wanted. I don't think Nadella actually thought it would happen though (considering the effort he put in to the sabotage). It must have really irked him when HP actually started selling phones. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
    10-05-2017 07:10 AM
  5. dgr_874's Avatar
    Maybe its just me, but I could feel the anger behind that interview. Looks like Microsoft gave them little to no warning they were going to do this stuff.

    Like you said, burned bridges do not repair themselves.
    10-05-2017 07:57 AM
  6. erzhik's Avatar
    Shows that Microsoft and Nadella mostly wants to get rid of Mobile as fast as possible, without actually announcing end of support for the OS. They are basically squeezing out their OEMs so people have nothing to buy. Oh well, sucks but about time this happened. Too many false hopes for us fans, now its time to move on.
    xandros9, jmshub and aximtreo like this.
    10-05-2017 09:20 PM
  7. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    "HP speaks out about Microsoft"

    should really be

    "Some website says some website says someone at HP said that about Microsoft...."
    fin11, aximtreo and jmshub like this.
    10-05-2017 10:17 PM
  8. eshropshire's Avatar
    "HP speaks out about Microsoft"

    should really be

    "Some website says some website says someone at HP said that about Microsoft...."
    Well I recommend you do a Bing search on "Nick Lazaridis, HP’s EMEA President. You will see he I quoted on many news sites on this topic.
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-06-2017 09:01 AM
  9. Sedp23's Avatar
    Microsoft is to blame for everything they gave up on mobile u can't blame hp and other companies ditching it as well
    10-06-2017 09:08 AM
  10. xandros9's Avatar
    "HP speaks out about Microsoft"

    should really be

    "Some website says some website says someone at HP said that about Microsoft...."
    So if some Apple executive states something, it should be worded as "Someone at Apple said that Apple's new iPhone is iPhone X..."
    10-06-2017 03:04 PM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    I’m not sure how anyone can defend MS with a straight face anymore.
    10-06-2017 04:22 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I’m not sure how anyone can defend MS with a straight face anymore.
    I'm having to put my face in traction to type this. 😅

    Off the charger at 5:30 AM and it's been a rough one and I'm still at 74%. That's impressive any way you look at it. With some Continuum time along the way too.

    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
    10-06-2017 05:19 PM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'm having to put my face in traction to type this.

    Off the charger at 5:30 AM and it's been a rough one and I'm still at 74%. That's impressive any way you look at it. With some Continuum time along the way too.

    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
    Well, Don Ho, that’s impressive but certainly not good enough to defend Microsoft for their bumbling anti consumer crusade. Now if tiny bubbles came out if it at the same time, I might be convinced!
    10-06-2017 05:24 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well, Don Ho, that’s impressive but certainly not good enough to defend Microsoft for their bumbling anti consumer crusade. Now if tiny bubbles came out if it at the same time, I might be convinced!
    To be perfectly honest, I've never been a product loyalty guy. I'm a Ford man through and through. But my Hummer gives me what no Ford can in terms of a rugged, powerful 4WD SUV in a small-ish footprint.



    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
    xandros9, Laura Knotek and TgeekB like this.
    10-06-2017 05:28 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    To be perfectly honest, I've never been a product loyalty guy. I'm a Ford man through and through. But my Hummer gives me what no Ford can in terms of a rugged, powerful 4WD SUV in a small-ish footprint.



    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
    I’m kind of the same way. Was a Ford guy too but mostly because my brother-in-law works for them. But I just went out and got a Subaru Forester.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    10-06-2017 05:47 PM
  16. techiez's Avatar
    Maybe its just me, but I could feel the anger behind that interview. Looks like Microsoft gave them little to no warning they were going to do this stuff.

    Like you said, burned bridges do not repair themselves.
    I dont think their OEM partnerships work that way so most likely WoA, andromeda, core OS or whatever the crap MS is working on is either dropped or no mobile focussed, and MS would have refused to communicate a way forward to HP leaving them no option but to take this hard step.

    There was an article on Thurott that MS internal sources say that MS has put the plans for WoA on backburner to address the surface quality issues that were highlighted by consumer reports, so seems Thurott was right, meanwhile WC never covered that and week after week they churn out the BS that how MS is mobile focussed and how surface unicorn is just around the corner.
    Guytronic likes this.
    10-06-2017 09:43 PM
  17. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Well I recommend you do a Bing search on "Nick Lazaridis, HP’s EMEA President. You will see he I quoted on many news sites on this topic.
    And pretty much all of those sites will report the same one source, and that one source isn't Nick directly but someone saying Nick said it. That's one source, not many.

    These days people often just type something into Google and think that as soon as there are many 'hits' that means there are many sources. That's often not the case. Many many times it's just many people referring to the same one source.

    You have to follow the rabbit.....
    10-07-2017 10:31 AM
  18. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    So if some Apple executive states something, it should be worded as "Someone at Apple said that Apple's new iPhone is iPhone X..."
    You're thinking about it from the other direction.

    When we're reading "news" we have to figure out if the news is true or not. In your example above you start by stating a fact, that an Apple exec said something. If he did, then of course the topic headline is correct. But if you don't know for a fact that a person said something then you need to look at it from the other direction. In other words, a person is said to have said something. That doesn't mean it's true.

    Just so you see the difference: Imagine that there's this event. Someone speaks at this event. We now have two 'references' to this event;

    1 - Someone writes that they read on a website that someone said this person said it at this event.

    2 - Someone uploads a video from the event where you can see and hear the person say it.

    Not the same, right?
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-07-2017 10:35 AM
  19. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    meanwhile WC never covered that and week after week they churn out the BS that how MS is mobile focussed and how surface unicorn is just around the corner.
    I don't see windowscentral saying that a surface "unicorn" is just around the corner. Are we reading the same website?
    10-07-2017 10:37 AM
  20. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    I’m not sure how anyone can defend MS with a straight face anymore.
    Illustrating how a source is questionable isn't the same thing as defending Microsoft.
    10-07-2017 10:38 AM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    Illustrating how a source is questionable isn't the same thing as defending Microsoft.
    Understood, differing opinions.
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-07-2017 10:44 AM
  22. techiez's Avatar
    I don't see windowscentral saying that a surface "unicorn" is just around the corner. Are we reading the same website?
    Oh just listen to Jason Ward.
    10-07-2017 10:48 AM
  23. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    I somewhat get what Microsoft or rather Nadella has been trying to do, thanks to Zac. They are trying to make a modular OS. So instead of having just three versions of UI (desktop, tablet and mobile mode) Windows could have many different forms. Windows could then allow OEMs to customise the OS as per their needs. May be, that's why Microsoft do not want OEMs to waste their energy and money on a platform which will soon become obsolete.

    But the only problem with this is that no body has seen the future. What if all this fails? There has to be a fallback plan and the plan always revolves around the stakeholders. By alienating the stakeholders, I fear Microsoft may very well be digging graves for themselves.
    10-07-2017 11:04 AM
  24. eshropshire's Avatar
    And pretty much all of those sites will report the same one source, and that one source isn't Nick directly but someone saying Nick said it. That's one source, not many.

    These days people often just type something into Google and think that as soon as there are many 'hits' that means there are many sources. That's often not the case. Many many times it's just many people referring to the same one source.

    You have to follow the rabbit.....
    Sorry I work for a very large Enterprise Software company. If our head of Europe was misquoted like this we would have forced a retraction the minute it was published and made sure it was covered widely in the trade press. Plus if this report was incorrect Microsoft would have disputed the article. What do we hear from HP and MS, silence.
    10-07-2017 11:47 AM
  25. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Oh just listen to Jason Ward.
    He's one voice among several, and I don't see him perpetually say that a Surface Phone is just around the corner. He speculates about future development mostly, and he's pretty clear about it being speculation.

    Or am I missing something?
    10-07-2017 01:12 PM
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