10-15-2017 10:27 AM
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  1. wpstan's Avatar
    Microsoft has crossed the line on Windows Mobile..for a few years now, most of us Windows Mobile fans have been hanging on to the platform in the hopes that something new and exciting was on the way for us diehard fans...we kept waiting and hoping for that to emerge...but nothing ever came to the platform...now, the latest news is that Windows Mobile is Dead...nothing coming and support for the mobile OS will die soon...I have been on Windows Mobile for almost 7 years now...love the OS...I have also heard that Microsoft CEO Nuttella himself already has switched to Android...if this is not kicking all of us who have supported Windows Mobile in the face,,now I to have to move on...but for me personally, if Microsoft thinks I will continue to use their services. On Android, they better think twice...when I do switch, it will be all Android services i will be on...No Microsoft for nothing...Microsoft Mobile has let me down so why would I use anything to do with Microsoft anymore...in conclusion..sine Nuttella came and took over...its been all bad for Microsoft...RIP Microsoft Mobile..you were the greatest Mobile OS at one time. ...since Nuttella,you are now nothing...thanks for the memories
    saqib qureshi likes this.
    10-10-2017 05:01 AM
  2. techiez's Avatar
    They still charge devs to put apps on their store, and JB wonders y dont devs embrace them.
    10-10-2017 06:23 AM
  3. jmshub's Avatar
    Satya Nadella seems to be taking Microsoft into a direction that pushes enterprise services over consumer goods and that doesn't bode well for the future of MS in Consumer services.

    But, that isn't what caused the failure of Windows Phone and Mobile. That was ultimately a death by a thousand cuts. Since the first days of WP7, Microsoft had to fight with carrier support, handset manufacturers, app developers, public sentiment, just to get their phones into people's view in the first place. It would have been an extreme long shot if MS themselves was doing everything right. But the fact that many updates were hard stops that required new handsets, from 7 to 8, then 8 to 10. And with each version, it seemed to be more "beta", each version seemed to get buggier than before.
    libra89, Guytronic and mc_razza like this.
    10-10-2017 09:54 AM
  4. dpz's Avatar
    I feel like it is his fault but I don't have concrete facts to back up my conclusion(only a statement he's said that show he didn't think the world needed a third smartphone ecosystem) but as for would someone had done a better job...maybe. I say that because mobile is the future, everyone knows that. So I want to say that anyone else would've put Microsoft's entire might behind developing a mobile OS so good that it would entice developers to just switch gears and build apps for the heck of it. Plus they would've also put the entire surface division into creating the next coveted device. I think anyone else would've tried harder at growing in the smartphone market share. IMO.
    10-10-2017 12:22 PM
  5. editguy's Avatar
    Thought it's been free since...
    Not until seven years after Android was introduced and four years after Win Mobile 7. By then the battle was lost to Android. I made no sense to charge for the OS when a strong competitor was offering theirs for free.
    10-10-2017 01:52 PM
  6. DOGC_Kyle's Avatar
    I really think this would've happened regardless of who was in charge. It has nothing to do with Nadella, consumer vs. enterprise, apps, or market share. Granted, those things would've kept it around longer, but not forever.

    It's common knowledge that the ultimate goal for W10M (and all the previous Windows mobile OS versions) was for it to be eventually killed off and replaced by full Windows.

    They're obviously behind schedule (given that ARM-based and WCOS are not ready yet), but this all seems according to plan.
    Guytronic and libra89 like this.
    10-10-2017 03:47 PM
  7. Guytronic's Avatar
    I see no purpose in trying to blame Mr. Nadella for what has finally been admitted to.
    I'm betting he was growing very tired of not informing the mobile crowd of the companies decision to abandon WM.

    It's very hard to tell who's in charge at Microsoft (my guess is the largest shareholders) looks to me it's not any one person calling the shots.
    Why be afraid of so few consumers who already knew what was in the cards.

    It's dumb to sit and lose money instead of cutting losses and moving on.
    10-10-2017 04:17 PM
  8. sd4f's Avatar
    The thing is, there was some decent support with WP7 and WP8. Looking back, with all the reboots, I think that killed developer support, and it never regained its position.

    The reboot to W10M in retrospect is what killed the platform (even though it was already coughing up blood, so to speak); flagship priced hardware, with not that flagship feel, really buggy OS, which was a complete turnaround from WP8.1, I think windows 8 on desktop also poisoned the well somewhat, and lastly, developer support just dropped off.

    Going on the app store, some of the better games on there are still WP7 apps. While WP8/8.1 was undoubtedly the best phone os, it was completely pointless in terms of being made obsolete.

    The relaunches were a mistake in my opinion, had they just tacked on new features to the OS, and made it relatively seamless for the users and developers, rather than whole new OS, then it would have been much better.
    mrdeeds_72 and Guytronic like this.
    10-10-2017 05:07 PM
  9. DOGC_Kyle's Avatar
    had they just tacked on new features to the OS, and made it relatively seamless for the users and developers, rather than whole new OS, then it would have been much better.
    This would not have been sustainable at all.

    It wouldn't have helped market share very much, even if you combine the market share of WP7/WP8/W10M, it was never very much.
    And it would have been difficult to justify sustaining an entirely separate OS, whereas Windows 10 Mobile is close to Windows 10 in many ways. We're guaranteed app updates for W10M, every update for desktop also comes to mobile.

    This would have also made it much more difficult to move forward. UWP, Continuum, and Cortana would've been far more complicated without the ties to desktop.
    10-10-2017 06:20 PM
  10. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Nadella is playing it save, but he doesn't understand one thing, Microsoft didn't play it save to get where they are today, but he his trying to play save so he doesn't want to compete with any company in any department.
    Nadella has nothing to do with it. He wasn't hired as CEO to save WinPhone just as Chen wasn't hired to save BB10. Both were hired, and in both cases the previous CEOs fired, because of their failed strategy with mobile, and because the Board of Directors of each company had thrown in the towel on mobile. CEOs don't get to make those decisions, BoDs do, and both Nadella and Chen are doing exactly what their Board hired them to do: save the COMPANY, not the Mobile division.

    The Mobile Race occurred from 2007-2011. The person you have a problem with was the guy in charge during THAT time, not the guy in charge today.
    10-10-2017 08:41 PM
  11. sd4f's Avatar
    This would not have been sustainable at all.

    It wouldn't have helped market share very much, even if you combine the market share of WP7/WP8/W10M, it was never very much.
    And it would have been difficult to justify sustaining an entirely separate OS, whereas Windows 10 Mobile is close to Windows 10 in many ways. We're guaranteed app updates for W10M, every update for desktop also comes to mobile.

    This would have also made it much more difficult to move forward. UWP, Continuum, and Cortana would've been far more complicated without the ties to desktop.
    But the thing is, what have they moved forward to? It's over, the announcement has been made that they're basically wrapping it up, doing security maintenance and that's it.

    All of that effort can only be seen in one of two ways; either a complete waste, or simply too little, too late.

    The problem MS had with the WP7->WP8 reboot was that a lot of people were upset that their newish phones were made obsolete rather quickly. From a developing perspective, the apps they made for WP7, no point maintaining them, meanwhile, WP8 had to gain some momentum to justify apps for it.

    This was identical with the W10M reboot except this time around, companies shut down their WP8 apps, and abandoned the platform completely.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    10-10-2017 10:07 PM
  12. barotropic's Avatar
    It was clear 2 years ago that Nadella was not going to support Windows Phone when he said, in corporate double-speak, that MS would make the phones if no one else would. If you read the complete details of that statement, he was clearly saying that things were winding down.

    And this contrition he shows now, talking about possible mistakes and concern for jilted consumers, etc, is offered only to assuage anger among those devoted consumers who have stuck with MS for so many years.

    Yes, WP was a bungled project, but only because the leadership was not committed to it.
    theefman and mc_razza like this.
    10-12-2017 12:31 PM
  13. Player Piano's Avatar
    Nadella has nothing to do with it. He wasn't hired as CEO to save WinPhone just as Chen wasn't hired to save BB10. Both were hired, and in both cases the previous CEOs fired, because of their failed strategy with mobile, and because the Board of Directors of each company had thrown in the towel on mobile. CEOs don't get to make those decisions, BoDs do, and both Nadella and Chen are doing exactly what their Board hired them to do: save the COMPANY, not the Mobile division.

    The Mobile Race occurred from 2007-2011. The person you have a problem with was the guy in charge during THAT time, not the guy in charge today.
    Finally someone who gets it. It all changed once ValueAct got a seat on the board.
    10-12-2017 09:22 PM
  14. Auggybendoggy's Avatar
    Yes, Nadella into ruined it. Even under Ballmer they pulled, I believe as much as 6%. Arguing that it was spiraling is like saying Apple should have closed shop when they were nearly under. YOU DONT GIVE UP. Keep pressing, keep fighting. It only takes some teenage rock star to say yea I use it. Point being anything can happen. And perseverance with your supporters is wisdom.
    10-12-2017 10:35 PM
  15. anon(8171782)'s Avatar
    Companies are still buying the phone, is that not enough to get going? It was the best secure option for companies since android is not the best and ios is too expensive. But he doesn't care about that, he has it on his mind that it was a mistake Microsoft bought now and wanted to get rid of it so fast.
    10-12-2017 11:42 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Yes, Nadella into ruined it. Even under Ballmer they pulled, I believe as much as 6%. Arguing that it was spiraling is like saying Apple should have closed shop when they were nearly under. YOU DONT GIVE UP. Keep pressing, keep fighting. It only takes some teenage rock star to say yea I use it. Point being anything can happen. And perseverance with your supporters is wisdom.
    It's easy to say that when it's not your money.
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    10-13-2017 09:27 AM
  17. Auggybendoggy's Avatar
    True fatclue, no disagreement there. But the stakes are high. And as I said, tell that to Apple. Apple while near bankruptcy never stopped beliving in their own system. Eventually, the imac, to ipod, to iPhone made them great again -uh oh did I just quote DT - and I admire them for that. I never saw Apple shifting focus to PC by buying programs like logic and then porting it to PC and abandoning mac. They stuck it out, think and thin. MS needs to reassure their supporters they're sticking it out in mobile. Even if it's 1 new premier phone every 3 years. Give them something to continue. And I really do believe it only takes something as silly as a rock star or movie star or something to catch on where all the rave is owning some other system. You just need to ensure it works and MS has not done that. MS has made sure it works on iPhone and android. I don't mind selling on their systems but not at the expense of your own family.
    princeegli likes this.
    10-13-2017 09:56 AM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    True fatclue, no disagreement there. But the stakes are high. And as I said, tell that to Apple. Apple while near bankruptcy never stopped beliving in their own system. Eventually, the imac, to ipod, to iPhone made them great again -uh oh did I just quote DT - and I admire them for that. I never saw Apple shifting focus to PC by buying programs like logic and then porting it to PC and abandoning mac. They stuck it out, think and thin. MS needs to reassure their supporters they're sticking it out in mobile. Even if it's 1 new premier phone every 3 years. Give them something to continue. And I really do believe it only takes something as silly as a rock star or movie star or something to catch on where all the rave is owning some other system. You just need to ensure it works and MS has not done that. MS has made sure it works on iPhone and android. I don't mind selling on their systems but not at the expense of your own family.
    When Apple was having their issues it was Bill Gates who bailed out Apple. Even though it's not the same situation I understand your position. But here's the thing, Microsoft won't go belly up with the demise of mobile the way Apple was in danger of. Remember back in 2009 when Obama bailed out Detroit? That wasn't because GM was shedding Pontiac, that was because GM was failing globally.

    Microsoft is not a hardware company. I've said this a million times on these boards and it's why they offer their products to everybody and their cats. BlackBerry has been forced to take the same path and they've returned to profitability.

    Right now as it stands, you have 2 choices unless you're adventurous enough to give Sailfish a whirl. Follow @RumoredNow and his journey into Jolla-land if you're interested.
    Laura Knotek and RumoredNow like this.
    10-13-2017 10:11 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    True fatclue, no disagreement there. But the stakes are high. And as I said, tell that to Apple. Apple while near bankruptcy never stopped beliving in their own system. Eventually, the imac, to ipod, to iPhone made them great again -uh oh did I just quote DT - and I admire them for that. I never saw Apple shifting focus to PC by buying programs like logic and then porting it to PC and abandoning mac. They stuck it out, think and thin. MS needs to reassure their supporters they're sticking it out in mobile.
    I think your passion for Windows phones is overriding realism here. There are many products that don't work out. The reasons they don't are varied, but the end result is the same. Mac eventually worked out. Windows phones didn't.

    Even if it's 1 new premier phone every 3 years. Give them something to continue. And I really do believe it only takes something as silly as a rock star or movie star or something to catch on where all the rave is owning some other system. You just need to ensure it works and MS has not done that. MS has made sure it works on iPhone and android. I don't mind selling on their systems but not at the expense of your own family.
    A celebrity endorsement isn't going to help Microsoft's mobile efforts, at least not enough to matter. To put it simply, they don't have a competitive product. Sure, you and a few other users liked it, but overall the market didn't. The market told Microsoft that they didn't have the capability of making a mobile phone able to run with the big dogs.

    It's that simple.
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    10-13-2017 10:13 AM
  20. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    I think your passion for Windows phones is overriding realism here. There are many products that don't work out. The reasons they don't are varied, but the end result is the same. Mac eventually worked out. Windows phones didn't.



    A celebrity endorsement isn't going to help Microsoft's mobile efforts, at least not enough to matter. To put it simply, they don't have a competitive product. Sure, you and a few other users liked it, but overall the market didn't. The market told Microsoft that they didn't have the capability of making a mobile phone able to run with the big dogs.

    It's that simple.
    But don't you think that Microsoft lacks conviction and belief in its products and so keeps on cancelling then inter after the other. I mean very few people buy Nexus but still Google keeps on making them.
    Auggybendoggy likes this.
    10-13-2017 11:40 AM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    But don't you think that Microsoft lacks conviction and belief in its products and so keeps on cancelling then inter after the other.
    No, they don't lacks conviction and belief in their products. The conviction and belief has to exist for them to start the product lines in the first place.

    They tried hard for years and didn't make any significant headway. After that, what could they do? Microsoft probably saw that Windows mobile was never going to be a profitable venture. Because Microsoft exists to make a profit, why keep mobile?

    I mean very few people buy Nexus but still Google keeps on making them.
    Google has no intention of becoming a major OEM. That's not the point of Nexus/Pixel. This division exists as a developer phone, to showcase Android. That's why Microsoft has the Surface line, although I think they're trying a little harder to sell products.
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    10-13-2017 12:20 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    But don't you think that Microsoft lacks conviction and belief in its products and so keeps on cancelling then inter after the other. I mean very few people buy Nexus but still Google keeps on making them.
    You keep sounding as if Microsoft is a hardware company and it’s not. What more conviction and belief do you need than the push to get their software on every type of device? They dipped their toe in the mobile space again and again to make a go of it and it simply did not work out the way they hoped. What more can you ask for? There aren’t any participation trophies in the business world. They tried, they failed - game over.
    libra89, tgp, Laura Knotek and 1 others like this.
    10-13-2017 01:42 PM
  23. anon(8171782)'s Avatar
    They are making surface, that's hardware. Or will he shut down the surface too and focus on software's only?
    Auggybendoggy likes this.
    10-13-2017 10:59 PM
  24. editguy's Avatar
    They are making surface, that's hardware. Or will he shut down the surface too and focus on software's only?
    The point was not that they won't make any hardware. They will always make some (if it's profitable). But MS is, and always has been, primarily a software company. That has always been their main focus and likely will continue to be.
    10-14-2017 12:25 AM
  25. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    You keep sounding as if Microsoft is a hardware company and it’s not. What more conviction and belief do you need than the push to get their software on every type of device? They dipped their toe in the mobile space again and again to make a go of it and it simply did not work out the way they hoped. What more can you ask for? There aren’t any participation trophies in the business world. They tried, they failed - game over.
    But I think that Microsoft initially jumps into a competition but when the going gets tough, Microsoft quits. Look at devices like Band and Surface Book. These were not bad decisions. It was only bad implementation and that is not the product's fault. That is Microsoft's fault. One of the reason why Newton failed under Apple was its poor implementation. Steve Jobs turned it around with iPad. This is where visionaries are important and Microsoft has none at the moment. As such many of the good ideas are going down the drain.
    10-14-2017 01:21 AM
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