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  1. Yaroy Perez's Avatar
    Has Microsoft forgotten about Windows 10 mobile? Is it the end of the OS?
    Comment and tell me what you think.
    02-23-2018 10:40 AM
  2. Lee Power's Avatar
    Apart from security updates & bug fixes, there are no new features / developments coming & end of support is December 2019.
    libra89 likes this.
    02-23-2018 10:59 AM
  3. Sedp23's Avatar
    It's been over for a while
    02-23-2018 05:48 PM
  4. Elky64's Avatar
    Yup...

    Yup...

    Tired of doing that as it just leads to aaaaa - DEAD END
    02-23-2018 09:00 PM
  5. kaktus1389's Avatar
    They didn't exactly forget about it, they just pretend it doesn't exist and life is easier for them. Soon shipments of Windows 10 on other devices will likely decline, would like to see what they're going to do then.
    02-24-2018 01:19 AM
  6. nate0's Avatar
    They seem to have something cooking though...not sure what to make of this yet.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/sh...=1#post3735267
    02-24-2018 08:43 AM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    They seem to have something cooking though...not sure what to make of this yet.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/sh...=1#post3735267
    If someone buys one of these and checks the date of manufacture to see if it coincides with the original run then we'll know that it's just leftover stock.
    libra89, nate0, RumoredNow and 2 others like this.
    02-24-2018 12:40 PM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    If someone buys one of these and checks the date of manufacture to see if it coincides with the original run then we'll know that it's just leftover stock.
    It would be nice if someone could be the guinea pig but it can't be me until I know what's up with Sony.
    fatclue_98, mark233 and aximtreo like this.
    02-24-2018 12:55 PM
  9. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    Of course Windows 10 is dead. They announced that back in October 2017. The only thing it gets is just security patches and bug fix updates.
    02-24-2018 04:14 PM
  10. nate0's Avatar
    Ya 499 is quite a bit still. Wonder if they offer Microsoft Complete coverage too 😁
    libra89 and aximtreo like this.
    02-24-2018 06:16 PM
  11. Elky64's Avatar
    If someone buys one of these and checks the date of manufacture to see if it coincides with the original run then we'll know that it's just leftover stock.
    Would Microsoft be so bold as to try and offload returns/refurbished units without stating that fact..."Oops our bad" LOL.
    Tien-Lin Chang likes this.
    02-24-2018 07:09 PM
  12. theefman's Avatar
    Shows their contempt that they will willingly take peoples money while treating them like lepers for owning one of their devices.

    Sent from mTalk
    aximtreo and dellaster like this.
    02-24-2018 08:53 PM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    Shows their contempt that they will willingly take peoples money while treating them like lepers for owning one of their devices.
    I think by now everyone knows what's going on with W10M. Microsoft isn't to blame here for anyone buying one of their devices. It's not a device that someone blindly purchases, as they're quite difficult to find. You need to be looking for it.
    02-24-2018 09:09 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think by now everyone knows what's going on with W10M. Microsoft isn't to blame here for anyone buying one of their devices. It's not a device that someone blindly purchases, as they're quite difficult to find. You need to be looking for it.
    Not everyone comes to forums like this so I could see that some people wouldn’t know, but I think you’re right, most do by now. Still, they should be at greatly discounted prices.
    02-25-2018 07:51 AM
  15. Drael646464's Avatar
    IDK. They haven't added any features in a while. They don't talk about it.

    But they just put a fresh bunch of phones up in the Microsoft store. And they wrote some services for PWA into the edge version on WP (Which seems pointless unless you intend to make PWA UWP packages for WP too).

    There's some kind of new device in the works. Andromeda. Some Folding jobby, that'll probably come out late this year. It'll probably essentially be full windows in one sense or another, with the new core
    and cshell.

    MSFT keeps stuff to its chest. It's like a GF that still hangs around but gets mysteriously moody and doesn't talk about it.

    Could be they plan to put PWA UWP hybrids on WP too, and keep WP going for just a little longer, whilst they bring out their new shiny. Or not. But would kinda make sense given that WP will have life of some sort, even unsupported, so long as it can run all the UWPs in the store.

    But could be its not entirely dead yet.

    Of course a more cynical perspective might be that they have a few more things they'd like to test on the platform - like PWAs, to make sure they work well across phone hardware, in preparation for Andromeda (rather than any attempt to make a stopgap). But they were still added PWA services to the mobile edge late last year (and maybe this year IDK), despite no other roll outs, including the photos update WP could have needed.

    So that, and the appearance of a possible new short run of the current models, kinda does look like hardware testing their PWA apps implementation.


    Either that, or they have a new iteration of the OS (and I think that might be optimistic), that they plan on rolling out to old phones.

    I think testing is plausible. If I was going to test by edge browser, as a full UWP, hosting other PWA UWP hybrids, I'd want to test it on the widest variety of hardware possible, even if those models where redundant, just to make sure the intergration with the OS is robust, and all the services ran right - assuming of course, like other surface products, the new "not phone" gets copied by other OEMs, they won't want to be bug fixing all that on the fly.

    In fact pretty much its felt like the last two years of windows phone, has been using it as a testbed for something other than windows phone to me.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 02-25-2018 at 10:07 AM.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-25-2018 09:56 AM
  16. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    It's called "we need this warehouse space for other things" or "we're giving up the lease on this warehouse and need it empty." They're just getting rid of the last of their old stock - and it might be (new, unused) returns from a distributor who returned their unsold devices to MS for credit. Anyone believing these are newly-manufactured (HA!) must also believe that the Surface Phone will be released any day now - with full developer support from everyone! LOL.
    libra89, TgeekB, Guytronic and 4 others like this.
    02-25-2018 01:02 PM
  17. Drael646464's Avatar
    Re: the PWA services thing. Perhaps it could be that desktop edge is just tied in some way to mobile edge. In which case, it's possible PWA UWP hybrids may or many not work when the next update rolls out, and that could just be a happy coincidence.

    Re: the stock - it's odd. High prices aren't stock clearance mentality, the batteries would need replacing as lithium doesn't last without charging, MSFT wouldn't take back already purchased and paid for stock, and it's doubtful they would lose any. For them to suddenly have every model that's supported, at a high price, it's odd. Could be they were holding it back in order to sell at a higher price, but its a weird one.

    Re: Andromeda - that's a thing. It's been seen in the code. It may or many not make it to market, but they are definately working on a mobile dual screen device. However it's not really a phone, more of a touch screen mini ultrabook with telephony features.
    fin11 likes this.
    02-26-2018 04:05 AM
  18. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Re: the stock - it's odd. High prices aren't stock clearance mentality,
    Except if they know that there aren't that many to sell, and there are also hard-core fans who know it's going away and are willing to pay full boat for a NIB example. Why not maximize profits?

    the batteries would need replacing as lithium doesn't last without charging,
    They have a warranty.

    MSFT wouldn't take back already purchased and paid for stock, and it's doubtful they would lose any.
    Given MS's position in the market, it's QUITE possible that their deals with distributors included a requirement that unsold stock could be returned at a certain point.

    It's also possible that this was stock held onto for warranty exchanges or for corporate sales, and have now been released for clearance.
    Guytronic, mtf1380 and eshropshire like this.
    02-26-2018 09:04 PM
  19. nate0's Avatar
    Except if they know that there aren't that many to sell, and there are also hard-core fans who know it's going away and are willing to pay full boat for a NIB example. Why not maximize profits?

    Given MS's position in the market, it's QUITE possible that their deals with distributors included a requirement that unsold stock could be returned at a certain point.

    It's also possible that this was stock held onto for warranty exchanges or for corporate sales, and have now been released for clearance.
    All fine and dandy except the phones aren't for sale anymore and show unavailable. It's funny how a dead OS/mobile device gets so much attention 😉

    The truth is that it really doesn't matter to me how, why or even if they do or not. Either way it's a good thing.
    fin11 likes this.
    02-26-2018 09:17 PM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    Except if they know that there aren't that many to sell, and there are also hard-core fans who know it's going away and are willing to pay full boat for a NIB example. Why not maximize profits?



    They have a warranty.



    Given MS's position in the market, it's QUITE possible that their deals with distributors included a requirement that unsold stock could be returned at a certain point.

    It's also possible that this was stock held onto for warranty exchanges or for corporate sales, and have now been released for clearance.
    Yeah turns out the stock never existed. Which explains all the weirdness I was talking about - high prices, every model, suddenly having some despite having already cleared stock. It was a web store error.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 02-26-2018 at 10:47 PM. Reason: Cuss words removed
    02-26-2018 10:39 PM
  21. malteseOne's Avatar
    While we just sit and hope for things, business owners like me cant wait for a hope, etc. I have waited over a year for the surface phone and now I cant have WeChat (essential for business in with Chinese customers) and no PDFs.

    to me, the windows OS was awesome, but I still have to do business. That means I am forced to change.
    02-27-2018 11:35 AM
  22. eshropshire's Avatar
    Except if they know that there aren't that many to sell, and there are also hard-core fans who know it's going away and are willing to pay full boat for a NIB example. Why not maximize profits?



    They have a warranty.



    Given MS's position in the market, it's QUITE possible that their deals with distributors included a requirement that unsold stock could be returned at a certain point.

    It's also possible that this was stock held onto for warranty exchanges or for corporate sales, and have now been released for clearance.
    I believe these phones are stock MS held back for a few corporate accounts. As corporate accounts have moved MS does not need to keep the stock. Now time to clear the stock. Still since stock is limited no reason to fire sale.
    03-01-2018 10:59 PM
  23. Drael646464's Avatar
    While we just sit and hope for things, business owners like me cant wait for a hope, etc. I have waited over a year for the surface phone and now I cant have WeChat (essential for business in with Chinese customers) and no PDFs.

    to me, the windows OS was awesome, but I still have to do business. That means I am forced to change.
    wait what? edge is a fantastic pdf reader.
    fin11 likes this.
    06-01-2018 09:19 AM
  24. SolitarySnail's Avatar
    wait what? edge is a fantastic pdf reader.
    Edge does read pdfs nicely, but the fact that it crashes frequently and overheats the phone shows that it isn't adequate to be a native browser, or even a side browser. MS has fixed that with a recent update, but Edge is still pretty pathetic as a whole.
    06-01-2018 05:21 PM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    Edge does read pdfs nicely, but the fact that it crashes frequently and overheats the phone shows that it isn't adequate to be a native browser, or even a side browser. MS has fixed that with a recent update, but Edge is still pretty pathetic as a whole.
    I'm only a year or so into my first win mobile, so I've never really had crashes in edge. But it's underfeatured compared to the desktop version, which is pretty darn good now (lots of good features no one else has)

    Still, browsers on mobile devices generally are next to their desktop counterparts - it's something I always bring up regarding full windows tablets versus mobile OSes - it's not just power apps that are better, everything a normal person does is better too - media apps, browser etc.


    But, on the pdf side, and this is more what I was talking about, edge may be the fastest pdf reader I've ever used on any OS. And even being fast is pretty uncommon. Acrobat for example is slow AF. If you are loading something with lots of graphics, you really, really notice the difference.

    Usually this requires a quality caching service, that reads ahead. I was very impressed with edge's pdf reading abilities. The only thing its missing is a bookshelf, visual type of index (which bookviewer, a UWP, has, and it also reads pdfs)
    fin11 and Michael Bromley like this.
    06-02-2018 02:07 AM
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