View Poll Results: Will you petition to ask Microsoft open source Windows Phone 8.1?

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  • Of course!

    28 52.83%
  • Nah, won't happen so I don't care

    25 47.17%
03-11-2018 09:01 PM
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  1. gerrymad's Avatar
    Time to let it die. No need to put it in the purgatory of being a relatively unpopular open source OS with which very few people will actually do anything.
    Lee Power and jmshub like this.
    03-03-2018 05:00 PM
  2. Heathcliff74's Avatar
    The kernel of Windows 10 mobile shares its code-base with Windows 10. Microsoft will not open-source the kernel for obvious reasons. But I don't think the kernel is interesting for OEM's and consumers. Microsoft is now working on Windows Core OS. This will also have the same code-base for the Windows shell (desktop, console, startmenu) across devices. This composable shell (CShell) also has components for phones (Andromeda). It would be very interesting if Microsoft would open-source CShell. Because many people see their phone as gadget. And gadgets should be customizable to someones likings, like installing custom launchers. This would be possible with an open-source CShell.

    René (Heathcliff74)
    nate0 likes this.
    03-03-2018 05:37 PM
  3. Chaos2000's Avatar
    Microsoft is a software Giant but could not make even a dominant Windows Phone, Android goes open source and takes the lead in the mobile world, Microsoft in the other hand wasting time and making excuses. Apple also dominating to the mobile market and Microsoft still in third place, Why...cause they don't wanna go open source, if they really wanted people to take Windows Phones seriously then they wouldn't never made such a stupid mistakes as business people, Windows Phones doesn't have to be like a pc but it can operate like one, we all no exe will not happend, but xap could've run the same as exe just in a different code or just converted exe to xap, Microsoft was dum, stupid, they will keep on failing if they don't listen what the consumers want, give people what they ask for so that you can make millions at the end of the day.
    03-03-2018 05:54 PM
  4. RAGE_13's Avatar
    Microsoft should do what they did for the Linux based mobile phone - i.e. The Windows store app. Build an app that is a Linux emulator so that you can get the apps that are on the other phones. Yes it is true that you will have to go to the app to access the apps that you downloaded, but Microsoft won't have to release any of their code.
    03-03-2018 06:14 PM
  5. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    The kernel of Windows 10 mobile shares its code-base with Windows 10. Microsoft will not open-source the kernel for obvious reasons. But I don't think the kernel is interesting for OEM's and consumers. Microsoft is now working on Windows Core OS. This will also have the same code-base for the Windows shell (desktop, console, startmenu) across devices. This composable shell (CShell) also has components for phones (Andromeda). It would be very interesting if Microsoft would open-source CShell. Because many people see their phone as gadget. And gadgets should be customizable to someones likings, like installing custom launchers. This would be possible with an open-source CShell.

    René (Heathcliff74)
    Unfortunately my point about Windows Phone 8.1 and NOT Windows 10 Mobile was not emphasized in the post. I know W10M is impossible to open-source, but WP8.1 is more of a possible choice for this and that's what I was asking.
    03-03-2018 06:54 PM
  6. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    Today I'm hesitant. As open sourece, to me, would mean less secure. It's something I enjoy a lot with the current official windows 10 mobile.
    Open source certainly doesn't mean less secure in the world of Linux.
    xandros9 and jmshub like this.
    03-03-2018 07:09 PM
  7. Sean Russell1's Avatar
    I have the same feeling. It seems to me Microsoft is done with the consumer space altogether, and basically what I am asking is "now that you're leaving, please leave that project to us".
    They need to keep at it with a single screen phone and not try another gimmicky reboot. Andromeda will be ready when it needs to come out. It is not ready now nor will it be ready for the next two or three years. That thing needs to look like it does in Black Mirror before it comes out and I'm almost sure it doesn't look like that right now.
    03-03-2018 08:19 PM
  8. sfukaya's Avatar
    IMHO, Microsoft should lower Windows Mobile development costs (Visual Studio) in other to increase the platform independent programmers and establish a strong app ecosystem.
    03-03-2018 10:17 PM
  9. Heathcliff74's Avatar
    Unfortunately my point about Windows Phone 8.1 and NOT Windows 10 Mobile was not emphasized in the post. I know W10M is impossible to open-source, but WP8.1 is more of a possible choice for this and that's what I was asking.
    And my point is that open-sourcing CShell has more chance than open-sourcing WP81.
    xandros9 likes this.
    03-04-2018 04:41 AM
  10. Heathcliff74's Avatar
    IMHO, Microsoft should lower Windows Mobile development costs (Visual Studio) in other to increase the platform independent programmers and establish a strong app ecosystem.
    Visual Studio 2017 community edition has everything you need to build apps and it's completely free.
    xandros9 likes this.
    03-04-2018 04:46 AM
  11. sfukaya's Avatar
    It's true, but I believe that many people begin learning IT tools (Windows, Office, etc) at their work whose company may have more than 250 computer or exceed the revenue community license limit. Lets assume that the company primarily develop in Android, but want to see (publishing, selling and yielding a profit) if it would be able support Windows Mobile too. In comparison to Android ("no costs"), purchasing Visual Studio Professional licenses for your team can be very expensive just to see and maintain an app for a small number of Windows Mobile users. So unless the company had been developing in Microsoft tech, it would be unlikely it will adopt it. And unless their developers research by themselves at their home, there is little incentive to develop for MS mobile.
    TL;DR, developers of big companies with small IT budgets (IT is not their main business) are less likely to support Windows Mobile due too its development costs and small user base.
    03-04-2018 07:07 AM
  12. Hirox K's Avatar
    Visual Studio 2017 community edition has everything you need to build apps and it's completely free.
    And not just UWP apps, Android & iOS apps too (same code). And if you are doing UWP, you can also open the door to IOT, AR, MR, Xboxes, Win10S, Win10ARM.
    And, if you are in game industry... people who use Unity, Unreal or code for Nintendo Switch... are prob using VisualStudio already.

    VisualStudio is free if you are not in a organization. SVN, GIT, ticket system, project manager are also free for team under 5 members.

    I'm with DOGC_Kyle.
    And my choice would be 3. Won't bother even if it's open-sourced, why not just buy a new phone with more supports? (I don't do nostalgia and I don't get attach to brands. I care about design then functionality, price come in 3rd) Most people do buy a new phone every 2-3 years right?
    Last edited by Hirox K; 03-04-2018 at 11:09 AM.
    03-04-2018 10:35 AM
  13. fdruid's Avatar
    EDIT: This poll is about making Windows Phone 8.1 (even partly) open source, and is not about Windows 10 Mobile because obviously that would be impossible due to so much shared code between Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile.

    Hello guys.

    I have been around on Windows Central for a relatively long time, and I watched as the platform slowly went to its grave step by step, mostly because of Microsoft's own doing. But that's not what I'm spending any more time on to debate anymore. I just point out that I was very bitter about the whole thing on Windows(Phone)Central for a long time.

    Since Microsoft has given up on mobile completely (Andromeda aside as a mysterious project that may or may not be a phone or a tablet or a foldable new category) I got dreaming how nice it would have been if Microsoft, as embracing of Open Source initiative they've become recently, decided to open source Windows Phone 8.1. Maybe not 10 Mobile - because it has too much operational Windows 10 in it - but just 8.1 as an offshoot of Windows 8.1.

    In other news, recently it was revealed that Microsoft is embracing PWAs or Progressive Web Apps (in coordination with Google) which means there will be a host of new website/apps that all OS's will embrace (Apple will have to join in too eventually).

    So my mind married these two ideas: what if we could make Microsoft open source a dead platform (WP8.1), and developers could introduce newer versions of IE there where PWAs are supported...we could have a great little ecosystem of WPs that are as modern as they come, and is maintained by a Linux-like community of developers coming up with awesome things.

    Those who think an Android launcher can do the same thing need not comment honestly, you've missed the whole point of Windows Phone from the Start (pun intended).

    What do you guys think? Do you think Microsoft would do that, or are patents a problem for them or what? Do you think we can get a big enough community together to petition for something like this?
    Sorry, but it's not viable in any way, it's actually a bit silly to think of it.
    03-04-2018 03:20 PM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    Never underestimate the power of the fans. They'll do amazing things for something they all love.
    03-04-2018 05:59 PM
  15. Free-Spirit's Avatar
    ReactOS is an open source OS and works in a similar fashion. So it is possible.
    03-05-2018 05:36 AM
  16. anon(10172601)'s Avatar
    At first I thought this was a fairly crazy idea. But hey why not? Microsoft has obviously seriously dropped the ball on mobile. Andromeda sounds pretty cool, but will it really happen? Why not give the open source community a chance to do what M$ is obviously not interested in doing... something fun... something cool... instead of something just for $$$.
    03-05-2018 08:25 PM
  17. Mitaines1's Avatar
    Thanks for writing this article. I've gone through all the comments here and can't help but wonder if you are asking the wrong question or discussing the wrong topic. I still use my very expensive Nokia Lumia 1020 after almost 5 years. Why? Because it's still as good as it was on day one - almost. My only pain point is the browser which is not keeping up with advances in HTML and therefore has difficulty in rendering the most modern pages. If the browser was updated until WP 8.1 reached 10 years old, there would be a chance that it would survive long enough to partake in the movement to have web pages act as apps (sorry I forget the technical jardon), and therefore the app gap issue would disappear.

    I can understand why there haven't been any protests in the streets when underpowered Android phones didn't get updates. But as I have already said, and many others will agree, my phone is as fast as it was on day one. The only reason 100's of millions of WP 8.1 phones are participating in environmental damage in landfills is because of a decision made by shortsighted, greedy little board room members.

    I would encourage all fans of WP8.1 to band together (don't laugh) and, using social media, guilt Microsoft into updating the browser for another 5 years. It would be a coup for all WP 8.1 and MSFT could use the PR to their advantage.
    fin11 likes this.
    03-10-2018 11:10 AM
  18. AgentTheGreat's Avatar
    I still use my very expensive Nokia Lumia 1020 after almost 5 years. Why? Because it's still as good as it was on day one - almost.
    I own two 1320's, one 920, one 830, I got my mom a 640XL, and my dad another 1320 (gosh this 1320 is a fine device) and every one of them run as smooth as silk (except for the 830 because I "updated" it to W10M).
    If Windows Phone 8.1 was released TODAY with just a handful of additional features you wouldn't feel it is out of date at all; quite the contrary, you'd feel you're in a completely fresh territory.

    But regarding 8.1 and supporting IE on it, Microsoft already announced they have stopped providing support on 8.1. My attempt here is to take it out of their hands completely, and have enthusiasts work on it the way you describe: to add features to IE on WP, and add features to other parts of the OS.

    My goal is the same as yours, except I'm absolutely certain Microsoft will not be doing anything for WP8.1., so I figured we may have a shot at taking it from them and giving it to the community to accomplish exactly what you're describing.
    03-10-2018 12:00 PM
  19. Mitaines1's Avatar
    Ok then instead of having fantasies of WP 8.1 going open source or MSFT deciding to update it for another 5 years, how large of a project would it be for fan developers to take Chromium to WP 8.1? The app could be sold at 10 or $20 and users could show their commitment to buy by participating in a Go Fund me. I would gladly pay $20 to get a modern browser and I imagine many other users would as well. Please do it as I am feeling the tug of the dark side increasing daily.
    03-11-2018 09:01 PM
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