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  1. lopezi's Avatar
    My 950xl is becoming worn out. I shudder when I think of what to replace it with. I've been looking at the V30 and would like to know what you think about it now.
    I bailed on iPhone a long time ago, and I can't figure android out. It just looks so...odd. I love Windows Phone.
    We've 'upgraded' to a pair of LG V30 phones. My wife dropped her L950 one too many times and it didn't survive the last time. My L950 is still going strong but we were a few weeks past the 2yr MS Coverage so it wasn't worth trying to salvage the dropped L950. AT&T had the BOGO on the LG V30 so I decided to jump on it, I kinda was looking at LG G6 or LG V30, so this made the choice easier.

    I've been one week in with the LG V30. I've managed to get slightly accustomed to it, although I still think the L950 or more so WinMobile 10 is still 'better'. I really wish MSFT didn't back-burner their mobile initiatives.

    I will say that I'm not disappointed in the LG V30. The hardware is quite good and is a capable device. I'm sure the more I wrap my head around Oreo (with all the MS apps loaded) I'll appreciate the LG V30 more.
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    04-06-2018 02:15 PM
  2. wpguy's Avatar
    Switching to Android was hard, because I was being forced to switch in order to keep mobile access to secured work calendar, email, etc.

    Choosing a device was made easier by one hard-and-fast requirement I set early on: timely OS updates. That immediately cut all but the unlocked editions of Essential Phone and Google Pixel 2/XL. After a lot of back and forth, I ultimately chose a Google Pixel 2 XL.

    I like my new phone, and all the must-have apps (Office, etc.) are there. However, there are some OS features I miss.
    • Live tiles for things like photos. The mail/calendar app required for work has a nice live calendar widget, but I do wish I could use a single app for mail/calendar, like I could before.
    • Option to not download images and attachments in emails. (There is probably a better app than Microsoft's.)
    • A keyboard with the WP/W10M layout. I am still hopping between Gboard and SwiftKey, because neither one has a good layout. (Microsoft owns SwiftKey, and a better layout would be very welcome, as would ALL the emojis.)


    Even if Microsoft comes out with a Surface Phone (totally not holding my breath), I doubt I'll be heading back to a Windows-powered phone. The app-gap didn't bother me before, but I have to say it is really nice not having to fire up Edge-unfriendly websites for some of the services I use.
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    04-06-2018 03:55 PM
  3. Robert Miller17's Avatar
    I was in the process of changing carriers and because the new carrier did not support my 640xl I moved to an LG Android Phone. I quickly regretted the move.
    Because of other situations, I moved back to my old carrier, but figured I would give Android one more try. Well 3 months later, I am very happy to report I am back on my 640xl and it feels so fresh and new after the android experience. The phone is actually was released over a year before the two android phones I used, but still feels fresh and new.

    I have an old 640 also, so if the 640xl ever dies, I will move back to it

    Robert

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    So nearly 3 months into using an Android phone. It's a OnePlus5T. Great phone. Ok'ish operating system.

    Just pulled my Lumia 950 out of the cupboard and fired it up for old times sake.

    I really miss that OS. How it synced so perfectly with outlook, contacts, calendar, Cortana, office. Between my Surface devices and lumia phone eveything just worked seamlessely. It was a perfect harmony.

    I should stop taking it out and switching it on. I should just send it off to be recycled. It makes me too sad when I power it up :(
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    04-07-2018 10:10 AM
  4. Rowdy Bedsaul's Avatar
    Why are you guys recycling rather than selling them? Now I know why why older Windows Phones are so expensive and hard to find.
    04-07-2018 03:21 PM
  5. sporosarcina's Avatar
    Still using my 950 without issues.
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    04-07-2018 05:16 PM
  6. dov1978's Avatar
    Why are you guys recycling rather than selling them? Now I know why why older Windows Phones are so expensive and hard to find.
    Not to mention you get next to nothing from recycling companies for Windows phones. Less hassle than selling yes but no point in giving them away
    Last edited by dov1978; 04-08-2018 at 02:46 AM.
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    04-07-2018 05:46 PM
  7. CrockettGTO's Avatar
    Currently on an iPhone X. Miss WM10 a lot. If it weren't for everyone and their brother on iMessage, I would have stayed on the Windows Mobile platform.

    Through the years, have owned Elite X3, L950, 1020, Icon, 728, 640, 735, Idol 4S..miss Cortana features while driving, miss how fluid live tiles are, OS navigation, simplified interface for settings (my main gripes with Android after owning about 15 different Android phones, every app has its own settings, then there's the OS settings multiple places to disable notifications, can't stand Google's intrusive behaviors like forcing you to sign in to the play store, then you realize they've signed you in to every other Google application they jam down your throat pre-loaded on every phone, Google+, hangouts, youtube, GMAIL, yada yada. Never get consistent, timely OS updates unless its a Moto or Google device
    The one frustration I have with WinMo is that iCloud contact sync never works (just need this for synching my iPhone work contacts)

    But guess what...After reading through all 9 pages of this thread, I just bought a refurb 950 from eBay for 107 USD... and already shopping for a Mozo rear cover. Let's see if I can keep this one more than 2 months.
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    04-07-2018 06:01 PM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    Why are you guys recycling rather than selling them? Now I know why why older Windows Phones are so expensive and hard to find.
    Depends on the phone. Some phones are not really worth the little you can get from it over recycling it. There are some phones that are held in high esteem and one can sell those but for others, haha no...
    04-07-2018 09:49 PM
  9. CrockettGTO's Avatar
    Another question that i’ve had.
    Microsoft has billions and billions of dollars. Why can’t they or why couldn’t they have come up with a way to incentivize developers to write and maintain the most popular apps? It could be as easy as not taking any cut of the profit from paid apps, could be to pay to develop, develop with in house programmers and through agreements with the companies, pay these companies a small royalty to brand their apps for distribution in the MS Store, market their OS and WM devices. Who knows
    04-08-2018 11:56 AM
  10. ManofGod1000's Avatar
    Currently on an iPhone X. Miss WM10 a lot. If it weren't for everyone and their brother on iMessage, I would have stayed on the Windows Mobile platform.

    Through the years, have owned Elite X3, L950, 1020, Icon, 728, 640, 735, Idol 4S..miss Cortana features while driving, miss how fluid live tiles are, OS navigation, simplified interface for settings (my main gripes with Android after owning about 15 different Android phones, every app has its own settings, then there's the OS settings multiple places to disable notifications, can't stand Google's intrusive behaviors like forcing you to sign in to the play store, then you realize they've signed you in to every other Google application they jam down your throat pre-loaded on every phone, Google+, hangouts, youtube, GMAIL, yada yada. Never get consistent, timely OS updates unless its a Moto or Google device
    The one frustration I have with WinMo is that iCloud contact sync never works (just need this for synching my iPhone work contacts)

    But guess what...After reading through all 9 pages of this thread, I just bought a refurb 950 from eBay for 107 USD... and already shopping for a Mozo rear cover. Let's see if I can keep this one more than 2 months.
    I tried a refurb 950 but, the first one had camera button reboot issues and the second had bluetooth connection issues with my phone. I really did like the phone though.
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    04-08-2018 02:38 PM
  11. ajj3085's Avatar
    Was comparing V-Keyboards the other day between it and Android. There is nothing like the Windows Phone 8/10 vkb.
    OMG, yes. The prediction when swiping on Android keyboards is ***. Windows got the correct word almost all the time, Android keeps offering me the same words which i DON'T end up picking.
    04-09-2018 11:31 AM
  12. Pacus1x's Avatar
    What i really miss is WP8.1... W10m not so much, it was a total downgrade for me.
    libra89 and agaskew like this.
    04-10-2018 01:32 PM
  13. mnsiw's Avatar
    I'm using Nexus 6 running Oreo 8.1, still missing Windows Mobile, someone selling new box pack Lumia 1520 just for $100, thinking about getting one. I use WhatsApp, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Outlook, OneNote, OneDrive, OfficeLens and Google maps, should I go for it, please advise.
    04-11-2018 11:32 AM
  14. libra89's Avatar
    I'm using Nexus 6 running Oreo 8.1, still missing Windows Mobile, someone selling new box pack Lumia 1520 just for $100, thinking about getting one. I use WhatsApp, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Outlook, OneNote, OneDrive, OfficeLens and Google maps, should I go for it, please advise.
    Not sure the third-party GMaps still works, but Facebook will probably a struggle on your device. The rest should be fine though.
    04-11-2018 02:36 PM
  15. Byrese's Avatar
    I'm using Nexus 6 running Oreo 8.1, still missing Windows Mobile, someone selling new box pack Lumia 1520 just for $100, thinking about getting one. I use WhatsApp, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Outlook, OneNote, OneDrive, OfficeLens and Google maps, should I go for it, please advise.
    I remember when ppl teased me back in the day for having a HUGE phone. Now most ppl have HUGE phones. Haha

    I say go for it!
    04-11-2018 09:51 PM
  16. nate0's Avatar
    I just bought another one (1520.3) 😀
    fin11, libra89, fatclue_98 and 3 others like this.
    04-11-2018 10:38 PM
  17. sporosarcina's Avatar
    I finally jumped to Android. My 950 had a fatal accident and I couldn't justify the cost for hardware that old to replace. I went with a $250 Xperia XA2, good midrange specs, good build quality, nice size (I prefer 5.2-5.5 inches). It actually reminds me of the lumia 920 with a bigger, better screen. I'm impressed with the hardware, not so much with Android... Way too many missing features that were just baked in in WM.
    libra89 likes this.
    04-18-2018 08:10 PM
  18. Thrawn05's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 950 and had to do a reset to fix a notification issue only to find out Skype wouldn't download again from the store and WeChat won't let me log back in again. I ended up getting an iPhone only because I trust Google even less. I hate it. I feel like I bought an expensive paperweight. The fact I see just dead useless icons and that I can't get Cortana to give me map directions again is bad enough, but no camera button is truly an evil choice. And it drives me insane that my complaints about the phone fall on deaf ears and that I'm only nit-picking.
    fin11 likes this.
    04-19-2018 06:33 AM
  19. nate0's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 950 and had to do a reset to fix a notification issue only to find out Skype wouldn't download again from the store and WeChat won't let me log back in again. I ended up getting an iPhone only because I trust Google even less. I hate it. I feel like I bought an expensive paperweight. The fact I see just dead useless icons and that I can't get Cortana to give me map directions again is bad enough, but no camera button is truly an evil choice. And it drives me insane that my complaints about the phone fall on deaf ears and that I'm only nit-picking.
    We seem to be a dying breed my friend. Apple/iPhones seem to me to be the complete opposite of a Windows Phone. Sony does a cool job with their phones (camera button, double tap to wake, screen/color profile, etc..), but it is an Android skinned OS. Nothing against Android here, I just only see new cool hardware when I look at android devices. I have not seen any real standout features in the OS that might make me keep one. The V30 though is pretty close. HiFi DAC, great screen, IP68 protection, etc...Kinda want a V30 again just for the DAC though, nothing more than that really...Still using a 1520 for now :)
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    04-19-2018 09:07 PM
  20. patcherd's Avatar
    Currently have a Lumia 950 which other than the horrible battery life is a decent performer.

    Been on the platform since 2012 and switched over to android in 2017 with a Nokia 6.

    Decent performer and excellent batter life. Build quality is excellent...as a Nokia should be. HMD did well .

    I just bounce back and forth between the two. Just a shame that windows doesn't have an app for my work.
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    04-19-2018 10:11 PM
  21. raycpl's Avatar
    Seem quite a number of people are happy with the new Nokia...

    ... !
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    04-19-2018 11:07 PM
  22. agaskew's Avatar
    I have a 950, Note 4 (rooted) and S8. There are certain work apps I use that just don't exist on W10M, and the choice of apps on Android is bewildering. But like may others here, the 950/W10M combination does some things so much better.

    • My pet HATE on these Android phones is the utterly crappy handling of Contacts. Once I add the 5 different accounts I use, plus WhatApp, Facebook and so on, contacts are a mess. Digging about in the settings to choose which accounts' contacts to display versus which to hide, or trying to merge contacts from multiple sources, is a life-sapping experience. W10M just links them together - easy.
    • Email clients on Android are another source of pain. There are so many, but some support ActiveSync, others don't. Some sync calendars, others don't. I must have tried 20 different ones trying to hit on the sweet spot. Failed.
    • Cortana in the car via Bluetooth is still the best.
    • The fact that notifications are shared across phone and PC, and that I can send and receive SMS from Skype, are great features.


    I'm aware that a lot of these gripes/features are also addressed in the Apple ecosystem, but given that iOS is basically nagware and Apple are a bunch of crooks, I'll never go back there again!
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    04-21-2018 04:57 AM
  23. nate0's Avatar
    My pet HATE on these Android phones is the utterly crappy handling of Contacts. Once I add the 5 different accounts I use, plus WhatApp, Facebook and so on, contacts are a mess. Digging about in the settings to choose which accounts' contacts to display versus which to hide, or trying to merge contacts from multiple sources, is a life-sapping experience. W10M just links them together - easy.
    Completely agree!

    Email clients on Android are another source of pain. There are so many, but some support ActiveSync, others don't. Some sync calendars, others don't. I must have tried 20 different ones trying to hit on the sweet spot. Failed.
    And once you've signed in with Google, the gmail app cannot be avoided...I dislike the gmail app personally...I like that Microsoft will let you not sign into the phone at all and later if you want sign in to individual apps and services one by one as you choose...Store app, Mail, SMS sync, Photos, all can be signed into if you choose with out syncing a Microsoft account to the phone...

    The fact that notifications are shared across phone and PC, and that I can send and receive SMS from Skype, are great features.
    Good point. It took them a while to get this right. It works fluidly and pretty much flawlessly for me now if I activate Cortana and sync notifications. :)
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    04-21-2018 05:16 AM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I have a 950, Note 4 (rooted) and S8. There are certain work apps I use that just don't exist on W10M, and the choice of apps on Android is bewildering. But like may others here, the 950/W10M combination does some things so much better.

    • My pet HATE on these Android phones is the utterly crappy handling of Contacts. Once I add the 5 different accounts I use, plus WhatApp, Facebook and so on, contacts are a mess. Digging about in the settings to choose which accounts' contacts to display versus which to hide, or trying to merge contacts from multiple sources, is a life-sapping experience. W10M just links them together - easy.
    • Email clients on Android are another source of pain. There are so many, but some support ActiveSync, others don't. Some sync calendars, others don't. I must have tried 20 different ones trying to hit on the sweet spot. Failed.
    • Cortana in the car via Bluetooth is still the best.
    • The fact that notifications are shared across phone and PC, and that I can send and receive SMS from Skype, are great features.


    I'm aware that a lot of these gripes/features are also addressed in the Apple ecosystem, but given that iOS is basically nagware and Apple are a bunch of crooks, I'll never go back there again!
    Oh I have felt your pain numerous times. The best contact app I’ve ever been able to use on Android is the one bundled with the BlackBerry Hub. You can get it as a stand-alone but that leads me to the next item - email. The Hub has no equal on Android and I’ll argue that point to my grave. Nine is very close but what they consider “push” and what I do are miles apart.

    The contact app has a very effective duplicates function and show/hide is a breeze. Simple edits like contact photo and custom ringtones don’t require multiple drill-downs in the settings menu - which is how it should be!
    04-22-2018 09:24 PM
  25. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Another question that i’ve had.
    Microsoft has billions and billions of dollars. Why can’t they or why couldn’t they have come up with a way to incentivize developers to write and maintain the most popular apps? It could be as easy as not taking any cut of the profit from paid apps, could be to pay to develop, develop with in house programmers and through agreements with the companies, pay these companies a small royalty to brand their apps for distribution in the MS Store, market their OS and WM devices. Who knows
    MS offered all kinds of incentives (financial and otherwise) to developers to make their apps for Win Phone. It didn't work, because there was no long-term incentive to do so.

    Software on mobile is never "done" - the mobile landscape changes so quickly, with new features, functions, and expectations appearing constantly, so developers have to continually work on their apps. That means they need ongoing income to pay for all of that development work, and they need a large enough userbase to make it feasible. Windows never had a big enough marketshare for that.

    But, even more important: it's in developers' best interest to only have 2 platforms to support and to have those 2 platforms reach virtually every potential customer. That's why there have only been 2 commercially successful desktop OSs for the last 35 years - and why there are only 2 commercially successful mobile ecosystems today.

    When you write an app for one platform, and let's say that costs you 30,000 man-hours, it will cost you another 30,000 man-hours (or something fairly close) to write that app again for the second platform - there's relatively little savings in time when developing for a second platform unless you completely forgo the platform's UI and make a generic interface (as many mobile game developers do). No one wants apps that work that way. Still, developers are willing to do that for 2 platforms because there needs to be SOME competition in the marketplace to keep things moving forward. But to pay for a THIRD platform is rarely worth the return, because third platforms are usually under 10% marketshare, and that won't cover development costs, much less generate a profit.

    Also, if you ignore the third platform, it will eventually go away, and most of those users will end up one one of the two platforms you already support - without you as a developer having to pay any extra development costs.

    A developer who writes an app for iOS and an app for Android is able to reach over 99% of the mobile market - so why invest the time and money for initial development (much less ongoing development) of an app for a third platform? It just doesn't make financial sense.

    That's why Commodore, GeoWorks, Amiga, OS2, and BeOS failed on the desktop, and why WinPhone, Symbian, PalmOS, BB10, and Meego failed in mobile. There are only 2 winning spots on the podium, and if you aren't in First or Second place, you've lost.

    Even MS's billions aren't enough to pay every developer to write apps and then to support them on an on-going basis. In order for MS to win, they had to have timed the market right - they'd had to have released a modern mobile OS no later than 2009 to compete with iOS and Android. When was WinPhone 7 released? Oh, that's right: 2013. That was 4-5 years too late, and the race was already over and trophies handed out before MS even got their car on the racetrack.

    No one is saying that the OS itself is bad - we're saying that the quality of the OS is irrelevant if it isn't released while there is a gap in the market to be filled. The release of the iPhone changed the game and radically reset the expectations of the market, and other than Apple, Google was the only company to respond quickly and get a decent product onto the market within a year. Palm wasn't far behind with an early 2009 release date, but their form-factor wasn't what the market wanted, and Palm (and then HP) lacked the ecosystem infrastructure to support an entire mobile OS. MS and BB didn't release until 2013, which means they were doomed before the first device was sold. Neither company was looking ahead, both ignored rumors of an Apple smartphone (which were all over Silicon Valley in 2005, 2 years before release), and they got caught in a position where they couldn't catch up in time. It's really that simple.
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    04-27-2018 09:05 PM
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