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  1. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Definitely hasn't been a downgrade for me. Have owned many Androids and when we compare to our W10M counterparts - the added reliability, consistency, functionality, and speed, gained - makes that which was lost a very minimal compromise (imo). I also like the fact our devices now can be relied upon daily and for months on end (even years). Updates no longer hold our devices hostage and we get to enjoy technology advancement that WP ceased development on quite some time ago. Windows Phone has become spilt milk so even though it still incorporates some good traits at some point in the near future those too will be mopped up due to the lack of advancements.
    I agree completely with this. Many of the same complaints are expressed in the CrackBerry/BlackBerry forums. The reality is that we all stick with our preferred OS until the Android/IOS duopoly offered enough features/benefits to leave our preferred OS for the better improved efficiencies..
    Elky64, Laura Knotek and aximtreo like this.
    04-14-2019 01:03 PM
  2. Adventurer64's Avatar
    Still can't find a decent music player in the seas of the android app store.
    Back when I was on android, I used the payed version of Player Pro.
    04-14-2019 11:11 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Still can't find a decent music player in the seas of the android app store.
    I recommend Neutron. https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...neutroncode.mp
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    04-15-2019 04:13 AM
  4. Rupert Holmes's Avatar
    Coming from Nokia 1020 and 950XL. Waited for the Nokia 9 Pureview. Installed MS launcher.
    What I got was:
    PIE Android mess, simple things made difficult
    Less camera, no shutter button, no lanyard,
    Face unlock, fingerprint unlock, smart lock, none of these really work,
    It is a pretty phone, now it is in a case,
    Cannot see photos in explorer on PC, one of the reasons that I did not want an iPhone, apparently newer versions of Android also do not act as thumbdrives on PCs,
    Fast food apps, that are easier to use on IPad,
    Useless bank app,
    Got Waze back, a plus, but now I run it on my IPad now,
    A limited SMS app, replaced with "Textra,"
    I can control my thermostats, cute, it works, who cares,
    Sync problems with calendar.

    Not happy. If Apple makes a phone with a better camera I will probably go there. All I wanted was a faster 1020.
    fin11 likes this.
    04-21-2019 10:34 AM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    This might be somewhat pedantic, but nobody who switched thinks it is a downgrade, even those who love WP and hate Android or iPhone. If it was a downgrade, you wouldn't switch. Sure, WP was better in some things, but overall moving to Android or iOS is an upgrade by most metrics.

    Our choice of smartphone platform is a package deal. Sure, you can argue that it is a downgrade to not have a dedicated phone button, for example. But that doesn't compensate for the other shortcomings, especially if something like a must-have app is gone.
    Elky64, Laura Knotek and TgeekB like this.
    04-21-2019 03:14 PM
  6. Elky64's Avatar
    Coming from Nokia 1020 and 950XL. Waited for the Nokia 9 Pureview. Installed MS launcher.
    What I got was:
    PIE Android mess, simple things made difficult
    Less camera, no shutter button, no lanyard,
    Face unlock, fingerprint unlock, smart lock, none of these really work,
    It is a pretty phone, now it is in a case,
    Cannot see photos in explorer on PC, one of the reasons that I did not want an iPhone, apparently newer versions of Android also do not act as thumbdrives on PCs,
    Fast food apps, that are easier to use on IPad,
    Useless bank app,
    Got Waze back, a plus, but now I run it on my IPad now,
    A limited SMS app, replaced with "Textra,"
    I can control my thermostats, cute, it works, who cares,
    Sync problems with calendar.

    Not happy. If Apple makes a phone with a better camera I will probably go there. All I wanted was a faster 1020.
    Android can be very complex… many OS versions, running stock Android, OEM “skinned” Android, etc. Hardware can vary as the day is long as well. If this is your first kick at the can trying out Android then in my opinion the Nokia 9 PureView wasn't your best pick (see below)... Nokia is no longer synonymous with WP so anyone thinking their name will hold some value (retaining some hints of WP) are sorely mistaken.

    As for the Nokia PureView... From my reads the Nokia 9 Pureview has/had some issues out of the box such as, fingerprint sensor, camera jpeg output, software bugginess, etc. Believe there was a recent software update that greatly improves the fingerprint sensor, some camera aspects and who knows what else. Might try checking to see if an update is available on your device.

    As a side note... Android has never kicked me in the gut anywhere close to your recent experience(s) and we're talking over several years/multiple devices. New to the platform and a device that's not quite ready for prime time can be a bad combo.
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    04-21-2019 03:59 PM
  7. TgeekB's Avatar
    Coming from Nokia 1020 and 950XL. Waited for the Nokia 9 Pureview. Installed MS launcher.
    What I got was:
    PIE Android mess, simple things made difficult
    Less camera, no shutter button, no lanyard,
    Face unlock, fingerprint unlock, smart lock, none of these really work,
    It is a pretty phone, now it is in a case,
    Cannot see photos in explorer on PC, one of the reasons that I did not want an iPhone, apparently newer versions of Android also do not act as thumbdrives on PCs,
    Fast food apps, that are easier to use on IPad,
    Useless bank app,
    Got Waze back, a plus, but now I run it on my IPad now,
    A limited SMS app, replaced with "Textra,"
    I can control my thermostats, cute, it works, who cares,
    Sync problems with calendar.

    Not happy. If Apple makes a phone with a better camera I will probably go there. All I wanted was a faster 1020.
    You sound like you didn’t even give it a chance. You made up your mind before you started.
    Elky64 likes this.
    04-21-2019 04:24 PM
  8. nate0's Avatar
    Still can't find a decent music player in the seas of the android app store.
    Poweramp.
    Try it if you haven't already. Pay for the pro version too if you really like it. As soon as I found it I have not looked again.
    04-21-2019 07:30 PM
  9. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Still can't find a decent music player in the seas of the android app store.
    CloudPlayer will play from OneDrive if you have your music stored there.
    04-21-2019 07:33 PM
  10. nate0's Avatar
    CloudPlayer will play from OneDrive if you have your music stored there.
    That's just sad considering Groove is close to losing that feature globally.
    04-21-2019 07:44 PM
  11. Rupert Holmes's Avatar
    I cannot disagree. I had expectations of a better Android. My previous Android experiences were mostly rooted custom roms, HP TouchPad, and a Samsung Captivate. Also have LG tablet and Android radio system installed in my pickup truck. None of them are as disapointing as trying to use this Android. That said, I am mostly disappointed in what I thought would be a better camera. And that I cannot review photos in Windows Explorer. I am going to stick with it until someone really brings a better camera.
    04-22-2019 08:12 AM
  12. Rupert Holmes's Avatar
    My previous Android experiences were mostly rooted custom roms, HP TouchPad, and a Samsung Captivate. Also have LG tablet and Android radio system installed in my pickup truck. None of them are as disapointing as trying to use this Android.
    The thing that bothers me most is not being able review photos in Windows Explorer. No thumbnails just JPG icon. Tried all the setting on the phone. My other Android device all show the thumbnails.Also tried several different PCs. pie-icons.jpg
    04-22-2019 08:23 AM
  13. Dan Tomas's Avatar
    Try Cloud Player, is very similar to Groove. You can linked it with One Drive, Drop box etc. And has nice Black Ui in settings. I HATE LIGHT UI. Also I replaced Phone with True Caller App for Phone, Contacts and SMS with Dark Ui.
    04-22-2019 01:50 PM
  14. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    I don't know about "downgrade," but very frustrating. I'm not totally unfamiliar with Android, having had a couple of phones that I barely used and two tablets. Never a long term daily driver.

    I decided to buy a Blackberry Priv because it has a real keyboard like my long line of beloved Nokia Communicators did. What a mistake. It turns out that these things were never tuned to Android right and battery life is sometimes 8 hours!

    One thing I hate is that it is Google. I hate the company, see the James Demore incident, their tracking of every word and deed for their benefit. Are you aware that their EULA's that you agree to let them own your work. Every document, every photo, etc. To my knowledge Microsoft and Apple don't do that, probably because they aren't really an advertising company nor intent on taking over the world.

    There are several launchers that mimic the WP look. Square Home was the best. So it was nice to be on familiar turf. Some tiles are even live. And AMOLED actually outdoes the Nokia/MS Glance, an absolute must for me. But I really find the Notifications bar annoying on two counts. First is it's height, the symbols are SO tiny. Hey, Android, a few more pixels, please? Second is having to see what you are getting notified about. Unlike WP, once you swipe up the lockscreen, the tiles show what you've missed. On the Android's scorecard though, is double tapping ....it ALWAYS works.....to the home screen. I HATE the WP swiping the lock screen up, but it has me beaten into submission.

    I guess if you stick with all the original Google services, it's not very complicated. But if you use the BB apps, and then add the MS ones like Onedrive, Cortana, and Bing, the complexity and trying to figure out what does what goes exponential.

    Connecting the phone to the PC is absurd. I knew from prior experience you have to enable "USB Debugging", WTF is that about? I don't want to debug, I want to CONNECT. Well, it turns out on this Marshmallow Android, you have to first tap on the Settings...Phone....Version 7 times to become a developer which then let's you connect......oops, I mean debug. But wait. Now you have four options! And it defaults back to Charge Only after you disconnect! A good example of why I call programmers "***** geniuses." My long line of Nokia Symbian and WP phones you, as you know, just plug the phone in and Windows installs the correct drivers. Done. Charge AND transfer files all of the time, no problem.

    I am going to look into Apple iPhone. As we all know, pro's and con's. Even my Apple-holic friend is honest enough to point out limitations, like a database program he had so much information on, just gone one day. Not not supported, gone. Steve Jobs' famous arrogance lives on. I don't know if there is a Glance like app. And no headphone jack for many of the last iterations. I hate Bluetooth, I have the worst luck with both the hardware and the pairing. To say nothing of charging the battery.

    I hate this OS phone duopoly. I tell people my WP is what engineers call "elegant." Logical, easy to use. The look is pure eye candy and conveys information immediately. Now I have two options, waterboarding or the rack. Whichever I choose, pain assured.
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    11-26-2019 08:05 AM
  15. nate0's Avatar
    I don't know about "downgrade," but very frustrating. I'm not totally unfamiliar with Android, having had a couple of phones that I barely used and two tablets. Never a long term daily driver.

    I decided to buy a Blackberry Priv because it has a real keyboard like my long line of beloved Nokia Communicators did. What a mistake. It turns out that these things were never tuned to Android right and battery life is sometimes 8 hours!

    One thing I hate is that it is Google. I hate the company, see the James Demore incident, their tracking of every word and deed for their benefit. Are you aware that their EULA's that you agree to let them own your work. Every document, every photo, etc. To my knowledge Microsoft and Apple don't do that, probably because they aren't really an advertising company nor intent on taking over the world.

    There are several launchers that mimic the WP look. Square Home was the best. So it was nice to be on familiar turf. Some tiles are even live. And AMOLED actually outdoes the Nokia/MS Glance, an absolute must for me. But I really find the Notifications bar annoying on two counts. First is it's height, the symbols are SO tiny. Hey, Android, a few more pixels, please? Second is having to see what you are getting notified about. Unlike WP, once you swipe up the lockscreen, the tiles show what you've missed. On the Android's scorecard though, is double tapping ....it ALWAYS works.....to the home screen. I HATE the WP swiping the lock screen up, but it has me beaten into submission.

    I guess if you stick with all the original Google services, it's not very complicated. But if you use the BB apps, and then add the MS ones like Onedrive, Cortana, and Bing, the complexity and trying to figure out what does what goes exponential.

    Connecting the phone to the PC is absurd. I knew from prior experience you have to enable "USB Debugging", WTF is that about? I don't want to debug, I want to CONNECT. Well, it turns out on this Marshmallow Android, you have to first tap on the Settings...Phone....Version 7 times to become a developer which then let's you connect......oops, I mean debug. But wait. Now you have four options! And it defaults back to Charge Only after you disconnect! A good example of why I call programmers "***** geniuses." My long line of Nokia Symbian and WP phones you, as you know, just plug the phone in and Windows installs the correct drivers. Done. Charge AND transfer files all of the time, no problem.

    I am going to look into Apple iPhone. As we all know, pro's and con's. Even my Apple-holic friend is honest enough to point out limitations, like a database program he had so much information on, just gone one day. Not not supported, gone. Steve Jobs' famous arrogance lives on. I don't know if there is a Glance like app. And no headphone jack for many of the last iterations. I hate Bluetooth, I have the worst luck with both the hardware and the pairing. To say nothing of charging the battery.

    I hate this OS phone duopoly. I tell people my WP is what engineers call "elegant." Logical, easy to use. The look is pure eye candy and conveys information immediately. Now I have two options, waterboarding or the rack. Whichever I choose, pain assured.
    Remember the FB eula's years ago before they had billions of users? The majority do not read them. Then they sacrifice to use their services unknowingly or out of complacency. It sounds critical to some but it is the truth and it happens. The wording can be quite sneaky and if you do not understand big enterprises or infrastructure, or even how things like Google actually operate and work, one can blindly go about it.

    I use google services only because I have to. Just like my Microsoft account. There is nobody out there that can do certain services etc like Microsoft and people feel the same about Apple.
    I have never used Facebook or any other service of the like there, and probably never will...in my honest opinion that type of stuff is full of traps.
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    11-26-2019 09:23 AM
  16. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I don't know about "downgrade," but very frustrating. I'm not totally unfamiliar with Android, having had a couple of phones that I barely used and two tablets. Never a long term daily driver.

    I decided to buy a Blackberry Priv because it has a real keyboard like my long line of beloved Nokia Communicators did. What a mistake. It turns out that these things were never tuned to Android right and battery life is sometimes 8 hours!

    One thing I hate is that it is Google. I hate the company, see the James Demore incident, their tracking of every word and deed for their benefit. Are you aware that their EULA's that you agree to let them own your work. Every document, every photo, etc. To my knowledge Microsoft and Apple don't do that, probably because they aren't really an advertising company nor intent on taking over the world.

    There are several launchers that mimic the WP look. Square Home was the best. So it was nice to be on familiar turf. Some tiles are even live. And AMOLED actually outdoes the Nokia/MS Glance, an absolute must for me. But I really find the Notifications bar annoying on two counts. First is it's height, the symbols are SO tiny. Hey, Android, a few more pixels, please? Second is having to see what you are getting notified about. Unlike WP, once you swipe up the lockscreen, the tiles show what you've missed. On the Android's scorecard though, is double tapping ....it ALWAYS works.....to the home screen. I HATE the WP swiping the lock screen up, but it has me beaten into submission.

    I guess if you stick with all the original Google services, it's not very complicated. But if you use the BB apps, and then add the MS ones like Onedrive, Cortana, and Bing, the complexity and trying to figure out what does what goes exponential.

    Connecting the phone to the PC is absurd. I knew from prior experience you have to enable "USB Debugging", WTF is that about? I don't want to debug, I want to CONNECT. Well, it turns out on this Marshmallow Android, you have to first tap on the Settings...Phone....Version 7 times to become a developer which then let's you connect......oops, I mean debug. But wait. Now you have four options! And it defaults back to Charge Only after you disconnect! A good example of why I call programmers "***** geniuses." My long line of Nokia Symbian and WP phones you, as you know, just plug the phone in and Windows installs the correct drivers. Done. Charge AND transfer files all of the time, no problem.

    I am going to look into Apple iPhone. As we all know, pro's and con's. Even my Apple-holic friend is honest enough to point out limitations, like a database program he had so much information on, just gone one day. Not not supported, gone. Steve Jobs' famous arrogance lives on. I don't know if there is a Glance like app. And no headphone jack for many of the last iterations. I hate Bluetooth, I have the worst luck with both the hardware and the pairing. To say nothing of charging the battery.

    I hate this OS phone duopoly. I tell people my WP is what engineers call "elegant." Logical, easy to use. The look is pure eye candy and conveys information immediately. Now I have two options, waterboarding or the rack. Whichever I choose, pain assured.
    Hey Paul, how go it? Sorry to hear about your PRIV frustration but it’s to be expected. It’s not surprising with a first gen Android device. Similar disappointments with the original Droids and iPhones from 2007-2011 era. Microsoft has plans with Android too but we’ll see. I carry a XR which I’d strongly encourage just from the longevity standpoint. The Microsoft apps for iOS have been fairly decent.
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    11-29-2019 04:04 PM
  17. nt40lanman's Avatar
    I would consider it for me a downgrade for the most part. I'm still using a 640 but have purchased a S7 with Oreo to move to soon. I'm enjoying a handful of apps but the basics of the phone are disjointed. I've decided Android vs WP is a mall vs a department store. WP is a department store. All the departments and employees work together, are of one company, paid by the same management. Android is like a mall. All the stores are different companies and staff and may not even know each other. Very compartmentalized.

    Certain basic and important things my phone reading incoming text messages are important and here in (almost) 2020 Android and Apple still can't do it!!!
    12-28-2019 07:51 PM
  18. nt40lanman's Avatar
    Got interrupted :D

    I've tried to put as many MS apps and services on the phone to use my MS accounts including MS Launcher, cortana, Outlook with my Outlook.com and Office365 accounts, but it sll seems disjointed, unlike the fluid connection in my Win Phone. Maybe my efforts have made it worse
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    12-28-2019 08:01 PM
  19. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Got interrupted :D

    I've tried to put as many MS apps and services on the phone to use my MS accounts including MS Launcher, cortana, Outlook with my Outlook.com and Office365 accounts, but it sll seems disjointed, unlike the fluid connection in my Win Phone. Maybe my efforts have made it worse
    I actually agree with this. Whilst I am now on Android, with all MS apps and the MS launcher, after briefly powering on my 640XL yesterday, I also noticed that MS apps were far better synced together on W10M to work together than they are on Android.
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